lance briggs

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:02 pm

*Yawn*

The Redskins are a train wreck, I wish I wasn't watching.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:21 pm

brad7686 wrote:This thing doesn't make sense for the bears either, they lose a linebacker and none are good enough to go at 6 and they would need to trade down if they would even be given the option. Super dumb on all levels.

Bear could use the pick to trade down, the Redskins get two players for one pick ( 1 being a 26 yr old 2-time Probowler), not a bad deal if the Bears would throw in a 3rd rounder.

But to address you issue about the Bears side of the deal, they could offer to throw in their 2nd round pick and Washington throws in Rocky, I'll be willing to forget about that 3rd rounder and the Bears would have that LB that you are so worried about.

If he's willing to sit out 10 games than they should get what they can.

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:32 pm

1niksder wrote:
brad7686 wrote:This thing doesn't make sense for the bears either, they lose a linebacker and none are good enough to go at 6 and they would need to trade down if they would even be given the option. Super dumb on all levels.

Bear could use the pick to trade down, the Redskins get two players for one pick ( 1 being a 26 yr old 2-time Probowler), not a bad deal if the Bears would throw in a 3rd rounder.

But to address you issue about the Bears side of the deal, they could offer to throw in their 2nd round pick and Washington throws in Rocky, I'll be willing to forget about that 3rd rounder and the Bears would have that LB that you are so worried about.

If he's willing to sit out 10 games than they should get what they can.

We're giving them way too much. I'd rather give them Clinton Portis than the number 6 overall pick in the draft. Its just stupid. We already have two weakside linebackers.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:39 pm

Moving to #31 from #6 is 1000 pts. So this is like the Skins trading down from #6 and getting the 16th and 31st picks, then getting Briggs with the 16th and can get a defensive lineman or the best available player at #31.

Moving from #31 to #6 and giving up L Briggs is not really a good move for the Bears but they may not get much out of him in 2007 anyway so they might as well get something.

It works for the Skins but not for the Bears, they are stuck with the #6 pick (and they don't want to pay that kind of money to a rookie... or a 2 time pro bowler).

Everyone wants to move into the top 5 of the draft so the Skins may not be getting a lot of action at #6, if they can use the pick and get two players... why not?

bluestar5sb · Post by **bluestar5sb** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:41 pm

Fios wrote:
gibbs#1 wrote:maybe, but we just worked out a deal with chicago for arch maybe we have a good enough relationship with chicago to get it done

Let me put this another way: this will not happen, I promise you. The Redskins have neither the cap space nor the draft picks. The Bears would need two first round draft picks as compensation, the Redskins have one, this rumor was dead before it was uttered.

First time entry...have to tell you up front...I'm a Cowboys fan...As for the Briggs deal,it would be a straight trade.The Skins aren't signing him as a free agent.The Skins want to trade draft positions (6 for 31 plus Briggs)..and there would be other minor draft choices involved,so i've heard

bluestar5sb · Post by **bluestar5sb** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:47 pm

1niksder wrote:
brad7686 wrote:This thing doesn't make sense for the bears either, they lose a linebacker and none are good enough to go at 6 and they would need to trade down if they would even be given the option. Super dumb on all levels.

Bear could use the pick to trade down, the Redskins get two players for one pick ( 1 being a 26 yr old 2-time Probowler), not a bad deal if the Bears would throw in a 3rd rounder.

But to address you issue about the Bears side of the deal, they could offer to throw in their 2nd round pick and Washington throws in Rocky, I'll be willing to forget about that 3rd rounder and the Bears would have that LB that you are so worried about.

If he's willing to sit out 10 games than they should get what they can.

I would rather have the 6th pick than the 31st pick and L.Briggs!..
Briggs is over-rated.That defense lives off of the Lions,Packers,and the Apple dumpling Gang.Now...if you're talking Tommy Harris...that is a football player...and I don't think the Bears will THROW IN a second round pick for a guy that wasn't a starter...

bluestar5sb · Post by **bluestar5sb** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:04 pm

First time poster... I like the site..As for Briggs...the Skins don't have to give 2 first rounders...it's a straight up trade..the #6 for the 31st plus Briggs...plus a minor draft choice swap.As for giving up #2choice, for MacIntosh...can't see it happen I would never take Briggs...that Bear defense is over-rated..Lions,Packers...bad division...now...if you're talking Tommy Harris.....just my opinion...gotta tell you guys...I'm a Cowboy fan,but this is a pro- site...nice job...

gibbs4president · Post by **gibbs4president** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:12 pm

Why are people talking about Tommie Harris? He's one of the best D-Linemen in the whole league, and the Bears would never trade this guy. Where did that whole idea come from?

bluestar5sb · Post by **bluestar5sb** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:15 pm

Fios wrote:
gibbs#1 wrote:maybe, but we just worked out a deal with chicago for arch maybe we have a good enough relationship with chicago to get it done

Let me put this another way: this will not happen, I promise you. The Redskins have neither the cap space nor the draft picks. The Bears would need two first round draft picks as compensation, the Redskins have one, this rumor was dead before it was uttered.

The Skins don't have to give up 2 draft picks...it's a straight up trade...

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:15 pm

bluestar5sb wrote:First time poster... I like the site..As for Briggs...the Skins don't have to give 2 first rounders...it's a straight up trade..the #6 for the 31st plus Briggs...plus a minor draft choice swap.As for giving up #2choice, for MacIntosh...can't see it happen...Gibbs said he won't touch next years picks....If I was the Skins,I would never take Briggs...that Bear defense is over-rated..Lions,Packers...bad division...now...if you're talking Tommy Harris.....just my opinion...gotta tell you guys...I'm a Cowboy fan,but this is a pro- site...nice job...

Welcome to the site.
The Briggs deal as it stands is a good deal for the Skins. Considering they don't want to draft at #6 and they can pick up a LB of Briggs skill level and stay in the first round. Jared Allen would be worth the the #31st pick as a RFA :shock:

I still can't figure out why the Bears haven't jumped on it, unless they think Lance is bluffing about sitting out the first 10 games.

bluestar5sb · Post by **bluestar5sb** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:25 pm

1niksder wrote:
bluestar5sb wrote:First time poster... I like the site..As for Briggs...the Skins don't have to give 2 first rounders...it's a straight up trade..the #6 for the 31st plus Briggs...plus a minor draft choice swap.As for giving up #2choice, for MacIntosh...can't see it happen...Gibbs said he won't touch next years picks....If I was the Skins,I would never take Briggs...that Bear defense is over-rated..Lions,Packers...bad division...now...if you're talking Tommy Harris.....just my opinion...gotta tell you guys...I'm a Cowboy fan,but this is a pro- site...nice job...

Welcome to the site.
The Briggs deal as it stands is a good deal for the Skins. Considering they don't want to draft at #6 and they can pick up a LB of Briggs skill level and stay in the first round. Jared Allen would be worth the the #31st pick as a RFA

I still can't figure out why the Bears haven't jumped on it, unless they think Lance is bluffing about sitting out the first 10 games.

Wouldn't you rather stay at that pick?..There will be teams knocking at the door for Landry,Okoye...if I'm the 'Skins I hang tight..drop down 5-6 places..pick up draft choices...I'm telling you,Briggs ain;t that good.Look at Colvin,AThomas,etc..that division makes players look better than they are.Just my opinion,but having said that,I've heard that they are moving....either up to Johnson in the first..or down.Hey,not my team,but don't trade 6 for Briggs...and thanks for the welcome...

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:29 pm

bluestar5sb wrote:Wouldn't you rather stay at that pick?..There will be teams knocking at the door for Landry,Okoye...if I'm the 'Skins I hang tight..drop down 5-6 places..pick up draft choices...I'm telling you,Briggs ain;t that good.Look at Colvin,AThomas,etc..that division makes players look better than they are.Just my opinion,but having said that,I've heard that they are moving....either up to Johnson in the first..or down.Hey,not my team,but don't trade 6 for Briggs...and thanks for the welcome...

I'm all for creeping down the draft board picking up picks all the way down to about #20, but then there would be nothing to talk about until the end of next month.

bluestar5sb · Post by **bluestar5sb** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:33 pm

gibbs4president wrote:Why are people talking about Tommie Harris? He's one of the best D-Linemen in the whole league, and the Bears would never trade this guy. Where did that whole idea come from?

I was just replying to the fact that the Skins are going after Briggs...he is an above average player...not a great one.If you have the 6th pick,you don't give it up for L.Briggs.You get Tommy Harris players at the 6th pick.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:41 pm

bluestar5sb wrote:I was just replying to the fact that the Skins are going after Briggs...he is an above average player...not a great one.If you have the 6th pick,you don't give it up for L.Briggs.You get Tommy Harris players at the 6th pick.

Briggs is a option Harris isn't. He's got two years left in pro-rated SB money so the Bears would take a cap hit by moving him. They would still be stuck with a LB that doesn't want to play for them.

bluestar5sb · Post by **bluestar5sb** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:50 pm

1niksder wrote:
bluestar5sb wrote:Wouldn't you rather stay at that pick?..There will be teams knocking at the door for Landry,Okoye...if I'm the 'Skins I hang tight..drop down 5-6 places..pick up draft choices...I'm telling you,Briggs ain;t that good.Look at Colvin,AThomas,etc..that division makes players look better than they are.Just my opinion,but having said that,I've heard that they are moving....either up to Johnson in the first..or down.Hey,not my team,but don't trade 6 for Briggs...and thanks for the welcome...

I'm all for creeping down the draft board picking up picks all the way down to about #20, but then there would be nothing to talk about until the end of next month.

If you're a draftnik,like me...take the college guys...I know Joe is trying to make a run,but...ya can't sell the future...all of a sudden you have 12 starters from other teams...mercenarys...if you start well..there is comraderie,and their talents really show,but ,if you start 2-4...they fold like a lawn chair...they will hang Joe out to dry...he deserves better...but,he's hanging his hat on the free agents...one way or another...can you see him being here 2 more yrs??I think he wants C.Johnson,but so does Tampa Bay.....Detroit is trading down..the Redskins will be a player...

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:51 pm

More Teams Entering the Bidding?

The longer Washington's trade offer for Lance Briggs sits on the table, the greater the chance it probably dies a slow death. The Bears are wise to hold on to the Pro Bowl linebacker for now because his value could escalate as the NFL Draft nears. Although the Redskins appear to be the most anxious to make a deal, Scout.com has learned that a few more teams have made inquiries.

Veteran NFL scout Tony Pauline has had his ear to the ground regarding the Lance Briggs situation. It appears that a few teams are starting to make a push for the Pro-Bowler, but GM Jerry Angelo is taking his time fielding offers. On top of that, Pauline has noticed that the Bears have been going out of their way to interview outside linebackers leading up the NFL Draft, further suggesting that they are making plans to be without Briggs in 2007.

Here's the latest according to Pauline's sources:

Angelo trying to get more out of the Redskins The trade offer on the table would send Briggs and the Bears' first-round draft pick – No. 31 overall – to Washington in exchange for the Redskins first-rounder at No. 6. Briggs' representative, Drew Rosenhaus, has been running his mouth to anyone who will listen that this is a good move for both teams, but Angelo is not about to let an agent and a disgruntled player force his hand. According to Pauline, Angelo is also asking for linebacker Rocky McIntosh, Washington's second-round selection a year ago, to sweeten the pot.

McIntosh would be an instant replacement for Briggs and the Redskins actually traded up last year to get him, but owner Daniel Snyder has been known to throw away draft picks like Kleenex.

Bills need to replace Spikes and Fletcher-Baker Buffalo has been very active in the trade market this offseason, sending tailback Willis McGahee to Baltimore for a slew of draft picks before packaging linebacker Takeo Spikes and quarterback Kelly Holcomb to Philadelphia for defensive tackle Darwin Walker. Linebacker London Fletcher-Baker left for the aforementioned Redskins via free agency, so the Bills have major holes to fill at that position. Pauline has learned that Buffalo is offering their pick in the first round – No. 12 overall – to the Bears for Briggs, although Angelo would have to include another selection in return for that deal to happen.

This potential trade could pick up some steam because Buffalo is coached by former Bears front man Dick Jauron, who Briggs played for as a rookie.

Giants also in need of serious help at linebacker New York currently has openings at both outside linebacker positions, having cut both LaVar Arrington and Carlos Emmons in the offseason. Antonio Pierce is the only `backer the G-Men have with a legitimate NFL resume, plus their defense was absolutely ravaged by injuries last season. Pauline reports that the Giants have offered their spot in Round 1 – No. 20 overall – to the Bears for the durable Briggs, although this deal would technically have less appeal than the other two according to the draft value chart.

Angelo would probably much rather pick 20th in the first round as opposed to 6th or 12th because of the money involved, but New York will have to offer more for this swap to happen.

bluestar5sb · Post by **bluestar5sb** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:09 am

1niksder wrote:
bluestar5sb wrote:I was just replying to the fact that the Skins are going after Briggs...he is an above average player...not a great one.If you have the 6th pick,you don't give it up for L.Briggs.You get Tommy Harris players at the 6th pick.

Briggs is a option Harris isn't. He's got two years left in pro-rated SB money so the Bears would take a cap hit by moving him. They would still be stuck with a LB that doesn't want to play for them.

Briggs is a free agent....the Bears franchised him...no cap hit.I used Harris as an example in the difference in players...Harris is a top 10 player in the league...Briggs wants Harris money...Briggs is not in the top 50 players in the league...you want to give up the 6th choice for Briggs?The Bears want the Skins 6th pick

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:17 am

Something tells me "The Danny" is going to give up the house. He doesn't like to be outbid on players. He loves to show that he is the top dog and he will have Briggs. And screw the team for his ego.

bluestar5sb · Post by **bluestar5sb** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:44 am

SkinsFreak wrote:Briggs - 2 time Pro Bowler and just 26 years old. Ok, we already know this. But here's my question; Briggs was franchised by the Bears, right? I believe the appropriate compensation would be TWO 1st round picks, right? I'm not an expert on the value of picks in the draft, but, if we wanted Briggs, wouldn't that require our 6th pick this year and our 1st round pick next year, if a franchised player commands TWO 1st round picks?

At the current trade offer, It seems to me that merely swapping picks with the Bears for Briggs, and not giving them anything, gives the Skins the best of this deal. Am I missing something? Seriously. I could be wrong, but I think the Skins are in the driver's seat here.

steve09ru wrote:I'll agree with Bett's...but McIntosh...started 12 games and got 1/2 a sack...and third amongst the dline in total tackles. And Rocky will not be starting this year or is not projected to...

Sounds like your making a case for Briggs.

steve09ru wrote:No rookie will start in our defensive until 6th or 7th week...maybe a week or two earlier if 100% necessary.

Well, I know what you're trying to say, but with regard to the DE position, it we are to take a DE in the 1st round, I would hope that he can start over Daniels or Wynn.

steveo9ru wrote:I look for a trade to involve McIntosh and our 6th, for Briggs, their 31st, and 3-5th rounder...which would be a respectable trade if u ask me.

Agreed, although slightly tipped in our favor, if we don't have to give up an additional 1st round pick due to the franchise tag.[/quot

you think the 6th pick is worth Briggs and the 31st pick??...let me ask you this,...if Briggs was coming out this year,would he be a top 10 pick???

bluestar5sb · Post by **bluestar5sb** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:07 am

bluestar5sb wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:Briggs - 2 time Pro Bowler and just 26 years old. Ok, we already know this. But here's my question; Briggs was franchised by the Bears, right? I believe the appropriate compensation would be TWO 1st round picks, right? I'm not an expert on the value of picks in the draft, but, if we wanted Briggs, wouldn't that require our 6th pick this year and our 1st round pick next year, if a franchised player commands TWO 1st round picks?

At the current trade offer, It seems to me that merely swapping picks with the Bears for Briggs, and not giving them anything, gives the Skins the best of this deal. Am I missing something? Seriously. I could be wrong, but I think the Skins are in the driver's seat here.

steve09ru wrote:I'll agree with Bett's...but McIntosh...started 12 games and got 1/2 a sack...and third amongst the dline in total tackles. And Rocky will not be starting this year or is not projected to...

Sounds like your making a case for Briggs.

steve09ru wrote:No rookie will start in our defensive until 6th or 7th week...maybe a week or two earlier if 100% necessary.

Well, I know what you're trying to say, but with regard to the DE position, it we are to take a DE in the 1st round, I would hope that he can start over Daniels or Wynn.

steveo9ru wrote:I look for a trade to involve McIntosh and our 6th, for Briggs, their 31st, and 3-5th rounder...which would be a respectable trade if u ask me.

Agreed, although slightly tipped in our favor, if we don't have to give up an additional 1st round pick due to the franchise tag.[/quot

you think the 6th pick is worth Briggs and the 31st pick??...let me ask you this,...if Briggs was coming out this year,would he be a top 10 pick???

I can't believe this..your 6th player in the draft overall,,plus your 2nd rnd pick last year...for the 31st player in the draft and an overated 3RD ROUND pick Briggs...am I missing something?

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:54 am

Hey bluestar5sb, you're a Cowboys fan, so I can see why you don't want this deal to go down. You're just scared that TO will get flattened when he attempts to come across the middle and when Romo throws the ball behind him. :wink:

At the age of 26, if Briggs had only been to one Pro Bowl, then someone could make the argument that he is over-rated or it was just a fluke. But he's been selected to two Pro Bowls, basically killing the fluke theory.

Are you saying that one potential starter, an unproven rookie no less, is better than two starters, one who happens to be a Pro Bowler, no less? Sorry, but that's not the line of thinking most in the industry are taking. TWO is better than one. Even if we were to trade down and acquire another pick, well... one Pro Bowler and a rookie is better than two rookies that are both unproven. I'm not saying that the two rookies don't have the chance to be good, but it's still a crapshoot with the draft.

Cowboys Fan wrote:you think the 6th pick is worth Briggs and the 31st pick??...let me ask you this,...if Briggs was coming out this year,would he be a top 10 pick???

If Briggs came out this year, would he be in the top ten? That's a lame argument. If Tom Brady (6th rd pick) came out this year, would he be in the top ten??? I really don't understand your point here. Briggs has proven his worth at the NFL level, a rookie hasn't.

You commented on Tommy Harris. Guess what? He ain't available, dude. Is there another free agent Pro Bowl DT or DE, worthy of a franchise tag, that is currently available? Do you not think the Skins organization has not already pondered that idea? It's funny how some folks think you are smarter than the professionals who are paid to make these evaluations and decisions, one of which who happens to be in the HOF. I'm sure the Cowboys HOF coaches would never make a decision like that... oh wait.......

This deal still may not even happen. So it's a bit premature to get all worked up over it. The Skins are going to evaluate every possible trade scenario known to man. :wink:

Worry about the Cowboys, not the Skins. You should be more concerned about Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett and Brian Stewart!
ROTFALMAO

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:06 am

Remember when Trotter, that stud LB from Philly, came to D.C.? Remember what he did when he got here? Not a damn thing! Anyone else worried that the same thing will happen with Briggs?

DaRealistJoka · Post by **DaRealistJoka** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:51 am

This is were I stand, I know we need a D-lineman in this draft and it is going to happen if the Redskins want it to happen whether it is the 6th or 31st. I don’t believe any dlineman in this draft is worth the 6 pick. If the Briggs trade goes down I will be a little upset because we still need dline help but I would mind having Lance. He will make our defense stronger. At 31 we still can get a good dlineman like Harrell (Vols), Brandon MeBane (Cal), Anthony Spencer, Ray McDonald. Briggs brings more youth to our Defense. But, now that Rocky could be throw in I say Hell no because we gave up so much to get him. Givin them Rocky is like givin them a first round pick, 2 seconds. Rocky will be a good player and also he is young .The Bears will try there hand because they know how Washington throw away players and Draft picks. They will be getting a 6th pick they are being ridiculous to ask for a player on top of a high pick. Plus, how are they going to think they have the upper hand Lance is going to sit out for 10 games.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:38 pm

Justice Hog wrote:Remember when Trotter, that stud LB from Philly, came to D.C.? Remember what he did when he got here? Not a damn thing! Anyone else worried that the same thing will happen with Briggs?

Good point, JH. That very well may happen. I personally don't think so, but I can't predict the future. That same thing can be said about every player, ever signed by any team. Trotter was a good player with Philly, then came to the Skins and sucked, only to return to Philly and become a half decent player. Go figure. IMO, Briggs brings more to the table than Trotter did or does. And one player alone can't do it by himself. For example, Jake Plummer alone couldn't produce a championship for Denver. It's has to be a collaborative effort.

The NFL is now in an era in which free agency is a major aspect of the game. Anyone and everyone can go around the entire landscape of the NFL and make an argument as to why a team should or shouldn't sign a player. That's not very difficult to do.

There's no question the Skins, and others I might add, have signed players that didn't ultimately work out. We have the luxury of judging those mistakes from retrospective position.

But in my opinion, it's all about character and perseverance. If I'm running a race, and I've slipped and fallen, even more than once, I'm not going to just give up or tip-toe to the finish line. I'm going to pick myself up, brush myself off, stick out my chin, and make a mad dash to the finish line, in a valiant effort to finish the race. I won't walk around on eggshells for the rest of my days and dream about what might have been. I'm going to persevere.

I would apply that same principle to free agency, but that's just me. Just because I signed a handful of free agents that previously failed to perform, is not going to detour me from looking to upgrade my team in the future. I might take a different approach or expand on my due diligence, but I'm going to continue to try to improve my team, via the draft and free agency. And if that means taking a chance on another free agent, I'm going to do it. I'm not going to just crawl in a shell and give up all together.

But I do understand and respect why some folks may have become gun shy and might be nervous about pulling the trigger.

My 2 cents

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:43 pm

Briggs is more likely to produce than Fletcher. I base this on the past 3 years.