SkinsFreak wrote:I'll be honest here. Since first hearing of this news, I've been on the fence. But the more I think about it, the more I like this trade.
The most important unit on defense is the linebackers.
I've been on the fence as well. I'm leaning towards it being a bad idea however. I really do think that this is just saber rattling.
I wouldn't usually agree that the linebackers are the most important guys on the defense. I think its you inside pressure from the tackle position and your cover guys. But I know that Williams considers his defense to be heavily driven by the linebackers. So, at least in this case you are right.
SkinsFreak wrote:I'll be honest here. Since first hearing of this news, I've been on the fence. But the more I think about it, the more I like this trade.
The most important unit on defense is the linebackers. They are run stuffers, pass defenders, blitzers and are vital in defending the West Coast offense, something Philly runs. If you look at the recent history of great defenses, the one common denominator in all of them are stud LB's.
Washington, Fletcher & Briggs? That sounds sweet. Throw in a DT or a DE with the 31st pick, and there you go. As far as Rocky and Marshall are concerned, I think there's still a place for them. Williams is notorious for player rotation and keeping fresh legs in the game at all times. Additionally, different packages require different personnel; i.e. LaVar would play on 1st and 2nd downs and come out on third or passing downs.
Nobody knows what will happen, but I wouldn't be disappointed to see this trade go down.
I agree with you. I was on the fence initially but as time goes on I'm warming up to it and starting to hope it happens.
We were burned the most down the middle last year. It seems that a monster LB corps would give Williams more options on the pass rush to create pressure and to rely less on safeties in rush protection allowing them to play a little deeper.
And he's an elite player, it's hard to turn that down when it's available, if he is. And as you say we still would have a first round pick.
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One question...Everybody complains that Holdman and Marshall got stuffed all season on blocks, and they couldn't stop the run....we have 3!! potential Pro-Bowl linebackers, and with a healthy dline (which was not seen only last season) this WILL work.
with Fletcher, Washington, and Briggs, teams will NOT be running all over us which will allow our db's to focus primarily on the pass and there will NOT be playaction biting.
We can pick up a quality DE/DT or Safety at 31 still
From all accounts this is basically a better deal for the Redskins; the Bears might lose a quality player that really helped Urlacher and that D last year.
We still have to address the D line issues but having Briggs makes the D look better on paper - I just wonder about this guy and how he has "behaved" and handled this situation.
Maybe some of the situation with the Bears was caused by Rosenhaus but we do not need to bring in a LB that does not fit - been there, done that!
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Briggs is not the only Bear who has complained about thier front office and thier management. I'm not too worried about it, he'll be fine. Fletcher and Washington are great character guys and they will be at his side, if the trade happens, of course
Not to mention he won't be the first player on our current roster who complained about not getting a bigger contract. That's why Denver shipped Portis to us.
Mursilis wrote:Not to mention he won't be the first player on our current roster who complained about not getting a bigger contract. That's why Denver shipped Portis to us.
That's only part of the story! If you remember the Broncos basically did not want to give Portis what he thought he was worth (and IMO, he was) and they felt that they would be fine without him (they'd be better with him, IMO).
The Bears are really kind of srewed here because they would like to keep Briggs (and still may) as he was such a big part of their D but they feel they cannot have so much money tied up with 2 LBs.
Rosenhaus has got them in a difficult scenario
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
The Bears placed their franchise player tag on Briggs to limit his mobility on the free agent market, and Coach Lovie Smith said Wednesday he doesn't expect Briggs to be traded.
"We franchised Lance," Smith said. "He's one of our players. That's all there is."
Asked if he expects Briggs to be with the Bears next season, Smith said, "Yes, I do."
So maybe, MAYBE we should all sit back and wait until something actually happens.
GIBBS SAYS BRIGGS DEAL IS NOT IMINENT. HE SAYS THEY ARE IN TRADE DISCUSSIONS TO MOVE UP FROM #6.
Ths Briggs thing has moved to the back burner because, as usual, Rosenhaus was too eager to blab to the media, thus making it look like he was pulling the strings. The Bears, unlike the Redskins, don't like to have their hand forced by a motor mouth like Rosenhaus. They will do nothing, if at all, until the buzz dies down.
Meanwhile, the Skins are galavanting off after the next really dumb way to squander their 1st round draft pick. As we speak, the Danny is probably agreeing to give next years 1st-4th round picks to move from #6 up to #2.
BEARS WANT MORE!....Personally I think this trade works for us , as stated before the 31st pick in the draft have been good players last couple years couple that with Briggs and its a nice package
BUT BEARS WANT MORE!...we should stay pat if this true
how we are getting the bad end of the deal and why is it a supposedly "bad" trade?
We're not. Even Chris Mortensen reported on NFL Live today that it's a good deal for both sides.
That's because Mort is an ESPN stooge to big name players. He probably doesn't even know who Rocky McIntosh is and how stupid that situation makes the Briggs deal. Mel Kiper bashed this whole idea in his chat yesterday pretty badly.
listen!!!! this trade is good for us because we dont need the 6th pick anyways. I wanted to move down, mabey not 31 but if were getting Briggs and we still have a first rounder you cant argue with that at all. The depth for DE in this years draft is rediculous and even at 31 we can still draft a stud DE.
HailSkins2007 wrote:I still think its going to be fine. And there will be someone at #31. I heard the Skins didnt really like the DE's at the combine.
No! The skins were not that high on the DE's that rate to go in the top 10. Now we know they like Carriker. Gibbs even said so. So we will see.
It figures they would like Carriker because he is a more traditional D-lineman but i just can't stand how they ignore talent. Who do they think they are? Nobody in there right mind would not be impressed with Adams or Anderson. They don't need a solid pass rusher who will stop the run like Carriker will, they need somebody who will be an elite pass rusher. They have fletcher now, the biggest problem they have is that they can't get to the qb. Its the reason the run game fell off so badly last year because third down situations were automatic for the other team and wore down the d.
Chicago is expected to make a counteroffer to the Redskins' proposal for Lance Briggs.
At this point, it's like Dan Snyder is that fantasy owner in your league that everyone goes to first with trade offers. Washington is already paying too big a price if they give up the sixth pick in the draft and a huge contract for Briggs.
Marc (Malden, MA): As a long time Redskins fan, I hate the idea of trading the #6 pick for Lance Briggs. They don't need help at LB and trading out of #6 only makes sense if you're moving to the middle of round 1 and getting additional picks.
Todd McShay: I agree, Marc. Briggs is obviously a very good player, but I think it helps a lot playing with his supporting cast -- Urlacher, DT Harris, DE Ogunleye, etc. The 'Skins hate drafting. I don't get it. They can sit at No. 6 and get the best defensive player in this year's draft if they want. I'd like to see them take DE Gaines Adams to improve their horrid pass rush (19 sacks) from a year ago.
There's going to be a plethera of opinions. There always is. When we drafted Sean Taylor instead of Kellen Winslow, some people thought that was a stupid move, including Mel Kiper. Then Winslow breaks his leg, misses the season, and then crashes his motorcycle, and misses buttload of games. Opinions vary.
I'm sorry but I can't envision anyone coming up with a reason to do this deal, and i can't believe chicago has the gall(balls, audacity, cojones, what have you) to counter such a ridiculously one sided trade in their favor.
- been there, done that!
