Dumb Wars

[KazooSkinsFan]

Note that I have used the same amount of solid evidence to support my claim that you have used to support all of the above.

, you had "solid evidence?" I missed that. Liberalism is about emotion, not facts. And that's how you argue.

[UK Skins Fan]

Cappster wrote:

Actually, they helped let the law expire that banned a person from having bigger clips for their hand gun and folding stocks. So that to me is expanding my right to bear arms. What exactly do you consider to be torture? Humiliating pictures? Waking someone at all hours of the night to interrogate them? That is not torture.

A lot of Chrisitans believe that we are "in the last days". War is going to happen and Gods word has already been spoken as to what is going to happen. You cannot stop Gods word from happening. You believe that is BS but I don't really care. The way things are shaping up, WWIII is going to happen and its just a matter of time. Too many ideologies and not enough space to accomodate all of them.

Read the bible and you may learn something.

So what are you saying? Let's all give up? I'm not some frock-wearing, hymn chanting hippy, but I like to think that it might be worth making some attempt to avoid the apocalypse that you seem resigned to.

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.

Matthew 24:5-8

Well, that's cleared it all up for me - thanks.

I prefer the view that the fate of mankind is in mankind's hands, and not pre-ordained by 2000 year old text.

[Cappster]

Cappster wrote:

Actually, they helped let the law expire that banned a person from having bigger clips for their hand gun and folding stocks. So that to me is expanding my right to bear arms. What exactly do you consider to be torture? Humiliating pictures? Waking someone at all hours of the night to interrogate them? That is not torture.

A lot of Chrisitans believe that we are "in the last days". War is going to happen and Gods word has already been spoken as to what is going to happen. You cannot stop Gods word from happening. You believe that is BS but I don't really care. The way things are shaping up, WWIII is going to happen and its just a matter of time. Too many ideologies and not enough space to accomodate all of them.

Read the bible and you may learn something.

So what are you saying? Let's all give up? I'm not some frock-wearing, hymn chanting hippy, but I like to think that it might be worth making some attempt to avoid the apocalypse that you seem resigned to.

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.

Matthew 24:5-8

Well, that's cleared it all up for me - thanks.

I prefer the view that the fate of mankind is in mankind's hands, and not pre-ordained by 2000 year old text.

Mankind has fought since history books have been written. What is going to change that? Oh, thats right, we're in the 2000's and everything is supposed to change. Go tell that to Iran, Russia and China.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Cappster wrote:

Actually, they helped let the law expire that banned a person from having bigger clips for their hand gun and folding stocks. So that to me is expanding my right to bear arms. What exactly do you consider to be torture? Humiliating pictures? Waking someone at all hours of the night to interrogate them? That is not torture.

A lot of Chrisitans believe that we are "in the last days". War is going to happen and Gods word has already been spoken as to what is going to happen. You cannot stop Gods word from happening. You believe that is BS but I don't really care. The way things are shaping up, WWIII is going to happen and its just a matter of time. Too many ideologies and not enough space to accomodate all of them.

Read the bible and you may learn something.

So what are you saying? Let's all give up? I'm not some frock-wearing, hymn chanting hippy, but I like to think that it might be worth making some attempt to avoid the apocalypse that you seem resigned to.

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.

Matthew 24:5-8

Well, that's cleared it all up for me - thanks.

I prefer the view that the fate of mankind is in mankind's hands, and not pre-ordained by 2000 year old text.

Mankind has fought since history books have been written. What is going to change that? Oh, thats right, we're in the 2000's and everything is supposed to change. Go tell that to Iran, Russia and China.

From your other posts, I think you're playing up the Christian mania stuff to tease the libs, and actually I'm quite enjoying that.

But on the China, Russia and Iran consider you're talking to people who believe them to be the moral equivalent of us. You're not going to get anywhere with them becuase they are delusional.

[crazyhorse1]

Cappster wrote:

Actually, they helped let the law expire that banned a person from having bigger clips for their hand gun and folding stocks. So that to me is expanding my right to bear arms. What exactly do you consider to be torture? Humiliating pictures? Waking someone at all hours of the night to interrogate them? That is not torture.

A lot of Chrisitans believe that we are "in the last days". War is going to happen and Gods word has already been spoken as to what is going to happen. You cannot stop Gods word from happening. You believe that is BS but I don't really care. The way things are shaping up, WWIII is going to happen and its just a matter of time. Too many ideologies and not enough space to accomodate all of them.

Read the bible and you may learn something.

So what are you saying? Let's all give up? I'm not some frock-wearing, hymn chanting hippy, but I like to think that it might be worth making some attempt to avoid the apocalypse that you seem resigned to.

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.

Matthew 24:5-8

Well, that's cleared it all up for me - thanks.

I prefer the view that the fate of mankind is in mankind's hands, and not pre-ordained by 2000 year old text.

Mankind has fought since history books have been written. What is going to change that? Oh, thats right, we're in the 2000's and everything is supposed to change. Go tell that to Iran, Russia and China.

From your other posts, I think you're playing up the Christian mania stuff to tease the libs, and actually I'm quite enjoying that.

But on the China, Russia and Iran consider you're talking to people who believe them to be the moral equivalent of us. You're not going to get anywhere with them becuase they are delusional.

To think that our country is the moral superior to other countries-- especially during the Bush administration and the excesses of our militant half witted relio-fanatics, neocons, and war criminals is worse than simple bigotry, jingoism, or moral blindness.
It's evidence of a mental disorder.

[KazooSkinsFan]

To think that our country is the moral superior to other countries-- especially during the Bush administration and the excesses of our militant half witted relio-fanatics, neocons, and war criminals is worse than simple bigotry, jingoism, or moral blindness.
It's evidence of a mental disorder.

You're obsessed with this mental disorder thing, aren't you? Your area of expertise? Typical liberal, you can't just argue views, you have to personally attack your adversaries. That is because your views are not logically defensible. So you attack.

Then you post these brilliant arguments.

- Bush does all the things Democrats do in the middle east, but he is insane for additionally removing the Butcher of Baghdad, Saddam Hussein from power.

- The US is evil for killing any Iraqis by accident but the French and Russians are morally superior by selling him weapons to murder his people.

- The freedom of Americans is worth dying for, the freedom of Iraqis isn't.

- I disagree with Bush's policies but I am insane for not being willing to personally attack him like you are.

Then you post this intelligence challenged view of mortal fear because if you call your buddies in Yemen and discuss bomb making and terrorism you might get NSA attention but Iran who will murder you for speaking anything against the government and dismember you for committing crimes is morally equivalent.

I have to admit the algorithm in your posts are simple.

Democrat = good.
Republican = bad.

Stupid, but simple.

[UK Skins Fan]

Cappster wrote:

Actually, they helped let the law expire that banned a person from having bigger clips for their hand gun and folding stocks. So that to me is expanding my right to bear arms. What exactly do you consider to be torture? Humiliating pictures? Waking someone at all hours of the night to interrogate them? That is not torture.

A lot of Chrisitans believe that we are "in the last days". War is going to happen and Gods word has already been spoken as to what is going to happen. You cannot stop Gods word from happening. You believe that is BS but I don't really care. The way things are shaping up, WWIII is going to happen and its just a matter of time. Too many ideologies and not enough space to accomodate all of them.

Read the bible and you may learn something.

So what are you saying? Let's all give up? I'm not some frock-wearing, hymn chanting hippy, but I like to think that it might be worth making some attempt to avoid the apocalypse that you seem resigned to.

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.

Matthew 24:5-8

Well, that's cleared it all up for me - thanks.

I prefer the view that the fate of mankind is in mankind's hands, and not pre-ordained by 2000 year old text.

Mankind has fought since history books have been written. What is going to change that? Oh, thats right, we're in the 2000's and everything is supposed to change. Go tell that to Iran, Russia and China.

From your other posts, I think you're playing up the Christian mania stuff to tease the libs, and actually I'm quite enjoying that.

But on the China, Russia and Iran consider you're talking to people who believe them to be the moral equivalent of us. You're not going to get anywhere with them becuase they are delusional.

I'm not sure if you're referring to me there, old son, or one of the crazy people around here . Similiarly, I just don't know what Cappster's point is, beyond "war is inevitable because the bible says so, so let's go rushing towards the light without pause for thought".

For the record, if Iran does not turn back from enrichment of uranium to weapons grade materials, then I see no option but to blow the hell out of their nuclear facilities. But the minute people start quoting the bible to me as a way of solving the middle east, I get very nervous about where we're going.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I'm not sure if you're referring to me there, old son, or one of the crazy people around here . Similiarly, I just don't know what Cappster's point is, beyond "war is inevitable because the bible says so, so let's go rushing towards the light without pause for thought".

For the record, if Iran does not turn back from enrichment of uranium to weapons grade materials, then I see no option but to blow the hell out of their nuclear facilities. But the minute people start quoting the bible to me as a way of solving the middle east, I get very nervous about where we're going.

I didn't actually have a list, but it doesn't sound like I meant you. You probably wouldn't like my view, I think the US should pull completely out of the Middle East and leave it to the Euros to deal with. I realize the Brits have stood up and done the right thing and it means leaving you to deal with the French and Germans, but I just don't see why we're there.

And with oil, I think we need to let prices rise and let industry deal with the issue. Democrats are the ones hysterical over oil prices yet claim Republicans are there for oil. Democrats complain about green house gases and yet they oppose the major alternative, nuclear. Democrats oppose letting gas prices rise which is the sure way we'd cut down on automobile emissions as people would buy smaller cars, drive less and find alternatives.

I just don't think it's that hard. The problem is our government (BOTH parties) keep oil prices low which just raises the pain on the day of reckoning when they can't do it anymore.

[UK Skins Fan]

I'm not sure if you're referring to me there, old son, or one of the crazy people around here . Similiarly, I just don't know what Cappster's point is, beyond "war is inevitable because the bible says so, so let's go rushing towards the light without pause for thought".

For the record, if Iran does not turn back from enrichment of uranium to weapons grade materials, then I see no option but to blow the hell out of their nuclear facilities. But the minute people start quoting the bible to me as a way of solving the middle east, I get very nervous about where we're going.

I didn't actually have a list, but it doesn't sound like I meant you. You probably wouldn't like my view, I think the US should pull completely out of the Middle East and leave it to the Euros to deal with. I realize the Brits have stood up and done the right thing and it means leaving you to deal with the French and Germans, but I just don't see why we're there.

And with oil, I think we need to let prices rise and let industry deal with the issue. Democrats are the ones hysterical over oil prices yet claim Republicans are there for oil. Democrats complain about green house gases and yet they oppose the major alternative, nuclear. Democrats oppose letting gas prices rise which is the sure way we'd cut down on automobile emissions as people would buy smaller cars, drive less and find alternatives.

I just don't think it's that hard. The problem is our government (BOTH parties) keep oil prices low which just raises the pain on the day of reckoning when they can't do it anymore.

Actually, that's a view that I have a lot of time for. The middle east is a polarised region at the moment - if you're not making things better by being there, then you can bet you're making them worse. There really isn't much middle ground. Get the hell out, and only become engaged if a "clear and present danger" presents itself (and I think Iran having weapons grade uranium would fit that description). Then again, if Iran does go ahead, then the Israelis will deal with it anyway, no matter what the US or the Europeans say or do.

As for leaving us to deal with the French and the Germans; we've done it before. But the British were meddling in the middle east long before the US was interested, and there's an argument to be made that we have unfinished business there. And that goes for the French too. The question is - can we have any more success in coming up with the solution? In the case of the UK, probably not for some time now, given the fact that we have aligned ourselves so closely with US policy in the region. It seems to me that the only way we could help is if there was more distance between the UK and the US politically with regard to the middle east. The Europeans would love to see that (for their own selfish reasons), but they'd soon have the smiles wiped off their faces if the moves signalled a commitment to returning the UK's own sovereign interests to the forefront of our foreign policy. Traditionally, that usually means falling out with our near neighbours...

[Cappster]

I'm not sure if you're referring to me there, old son, or one of the crazy people around here . Similiarly, I just don't know what Cappster's point is, beyond "war is inevitable because the bible says so, so let's go rushing towards the light without pause for thought".

For the record, if Iran does not turn back from enrichment of uranium to weapons grade materials, then I see no option but to blow the hell out of their nuclear facilities. But the minute people start quoting the bible to me as a way of solving the middle east, I get very nervous about where we're going.

I am not saying lets rush for the light. We need to fight for the good of mankind but the inevitable will happen. Even if you don't believe what I believe, history repeats itself. World Wars are going to happen. Look back in history to see how many wars have been fought. It is an on going epidemic and IMO, the only thing that is going to stop it is something supernatural. Man has had thousands of years to correct the mistakes made but it just keeps going on and on.

I can respect your opinion because we do not "officially" know what is going to happen. I believe it will happen in a certain way that is different than yours.

[KazooSkinsFan]

It seems to me that the only way we could help is if there was more distance between the UK and the US politically with regard to the middle east. The Europeans would love to see that (for their own selfish reasons), but they'd soon have the smiles wiped off their faces if the moves signalled a commitment to returning the UK's own sovereign interests to the forefront of our foreign policy. Traditionally, that usually means falling out with our near neighbours...

I think for the French and Germans in particular it's more devious then that. They like us there because they can have it both ways.

- The French/Germans blast the US for "meddling" and we are the target of the loonies and (relatively speaking) the loonies leave the French/Germans alone

- The French/Germans sell the loonies weapons, make oil deals, circumvent UN sanctions and act in a total self interest way

All the while the loonies are held in check by us so the French/Germans can undercut us at will and even one of our own two major political parties (our own loony Democrats) vilify the US and praise the amoral French and German money whores.

If we were to pull out, the French and Germans would quickly develop a big wet stain in the front of their pants as they realize there's nothing between themselves and the insane fanatical Islamic extremists anymore and all of a sudden they have to deal with it themselves.

Why would the French and Germans EVER want us to leave? They have everything now. Crazyhorse and ATM are even arguing now all the time we should be all over the middle east making ourselves a target interfering in the price of oil, they just don't want to remove murdering dictators while we are there because that's "insane."

[ATV]

Damn those French and liberal loonies. They were SO wrong about that whole thing regarding the United States invading a foreign nation against the wishes of the U.N. We should teach them a lesson by changing the name of French Fries to Freedom Fries or something.

[crazyhorse1]

I'm not sure if you're referring to me there, old son, or one of the crazy people around here . Similiarly, I just don't know what Cappster's point is, beyond "war is inevitable because the bible says so, so let's go rushing towards the light without pause for thought".

For the record, if Iran does not turn back from enrichment of uranium to weapons grade materials, then I see no option but to blow the hell out of their nuclear facilities. But the minute people start quoting the bible to me as a way of solving the middle east, I get very nervous about where we're going.

I am not saying lets rush for the light. We need to fight for the good of mankind but the inevitable will happen. Even if you don't believe what I believe, history repeats itself. World Wars are going to happen. Look back in history to see how many wars have been fought. It is an on going epidemic and IMO, the only thing that is going to stop it is something supernatural. Man has had thousands of years to correct the mistakes made but it just keeps going on and on.

I can respect your opinion because we do not "officially" know what is going to happen. I believe it will happen in a certain way that is different than yours.

Note to Capster: Many Christians accept the Bible as less than literally true. Much is obviously myth or poetry, fable, parable, exemplum, raving, prophesy,etc. and self contradictory. Thousands of pages have been written in disagreement, even about the central cannon of Christianity: the resurrection. Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John famously report conflicting accounts so that the event takes on different meanings for different times and different audiences. The successive books embellish the next and step by step take Christ from loving holy teacher and social critic into the character of cosmic superstar until at last Revelations makes him frightening and fantastical. The Bible, in fact, makes a horribly inconsistent case for Resurrection and Eternal Life: there are much sounder arguments for both to be found in physics, astronomy, etc., partcularily in regard to Einstein's notes on time, math, sub-atomic particle theory, string theory, and other non-faith based areas of study that can be said to be consistent with both. To extend my statement: there is more convincing evidence for the Christian principle in science than in the Bible.

[Cappster]

You have to relate scripture with scripture. Then it makes things clear. You either believe that the bible is holy or unholy. Meaning, you either believe the entire thing or nothing that is written. Picking and choosing certain parts that you choose to believe is not, IMO, the way to go about having faith in Jesus. Not a judgement, just my opinion. I leave the judging to our savior.

[crazyhorse1]

You have to relate scripture with scripture. Then it makes things clear. You either believe that the bible is holy or unholy. Meaning, you either believe the entire thing or nothing that is written. Picking and choosing certain parts that you choose to believe is not, IMO, the way to go about having faith in Jesus. Not a judgement, just my opinion. I leave the judging to our savior.

You are utterly unresponsive to my observation that Mathew, Mark, Luke and John contradict one another in regard to who announced Christ's absence from the tomb and its implications, which go to heart of Chistianity . I am not picking and choosing anything; I am observing contradictions which are inconsistent with the idea that the Bible is infallible. ,
If these things are clear, as you state, please explain them to me. Meanwhile,
I'll explain something to you: no one has believe the Bible to be literally true to be a Christian, nor does one have to believe in the Rapture, the death penalty, slavery (supported by the Bible), that homosexuals are evil or unnatural, or that the U.S. has the right to torture prisioners to be a Christian either.
Some Christians believe they have a lock of the word "Christian" itself--that they alone have the right to define it. They don't. In fact many people believe themselves to the Christians because they have taken Christ's message about kindness, love, forgiveness, patience, understanding, and helping the unfortunate to heart and try to live by his precepts.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Damn those French and liberal loonies. They were SO wrong about that whole thing regarding the United States invading a foreign nation against the wishes of the U.N. We should teach them a lesson by changing the name of French Fries to Freedom Fries or something.

My preference would be that rather then Republicans and Democrats rolling around with a death grip on each other's neck calling themselves saints and the other devils, while in the end your Middle East policies are virtually indistinguishable, that ONE of you would realize we just don't need to be in the Middle East, it's not our problem, and we don't need our government to provide artificially cheap oil to our citizens.

If either party and their party whores did that I would probably vote for them regardless of any other view either party holds because removing ourself from the endless quagmire in the Middle East is one of the greatest things either party could actually do for their country right now. And right now neither party has any interest in doing so, only pumping delusional rationalizations that the other identical party is fundamentally different and they are totally right and the other party doing virtually exactly the same things totally wrong.

And to no rational person saying "we want to do everything Republicans do except for removing Saddam Hussein" make Democrats morally superior in any way whatsoever.

[ATV]

You either believe that the bible is holy or unholy. Meaning, you either believe the entire thing or nothing that is written.

Do you eat pork?

Also, did you know that the bible was written, and re-written by many successions of different generations of people?

[ATV]

This is the first decent skit that I've ever seen from MadTV....

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/1 ... the-irack/

[Cappster]

This is the first decent skit that I've ever seen from MadTV....

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/1 ... the-irack/

It's nice to see that Mad TV is wanting our country to fail and making a dollar off of it.

[Irn-Bru]

This is the first decent skit that I've ever seen from MadTV....

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/1 ... the-irack/

It's nice to see that Mad TV is wanting our country to fail and making a dollar off of it.

. . .or exercising their free spech. . .

[ATV]

This is the first decent skit that I've ever seen from MadTV....

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/1 ... the-irack/

That's right, Cooter....I mean Capster. Bunch'a damn fargot American-Haters if you ask me. Pass them pork rinds.

[Cappster]

This is the first decent skit that I've ever seen from MadTV....

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/1 ... the-irack/

It's nice to see that Mad TV is wanting our country to fail and making a dollar off of it.

. . .or exercising their free spech. . .

That is a very sad way to portray it........

[Cappster]

This is the first decent skit that I've ever seen from MadTV....

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/1 ... the-irack/

That's right, Cooter....I mean Capster. Bunch'a damn fargot American-Haters if you ask me. Pass them pork rinds.

Good job on quoting yourself and not me .

[Irn-Bru]

It's nice to see that Mad TV is wanting our country to fail and making a dollar off of it.

. . .or exercising their free spech. . .

That is a very sad way to portray it........

They aren't saying that they want the USA to fail in Iraq, they are pointing out the USA's failure (and George Bush's attitude toward it).


Why is it sad to call that sketch free speech?

[KazooSkinsFan]

This is the first decent skit that I've ever seen from MadTV....

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/1 ... the-irack/

It's nice to see that Mad TV is wanting our country to fail and making a dollar off of it.

. . .or exercising their free spech. . .

You surprised me with this comment, Irn-Bru.

Now I've commented that liberal humor is usually dull to me because it's typically just an exaggeration based on their own accusations, but this one actually is clever enough that it's pretty funny. I enjoyed it.

But regardless, they made fun of Bush (free speech) and Cappster commented on them (free speech). He didn't say they shouldn't be allowed to do it, he just criticized them for it.

I'm not getting the issue either way. Doesn't free speech cover both the mocking iRack commercial and criticizing the makers of the mocking iRack commercial?