Cornerbacks?

theblueman · Post by **theblueman** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:45 pm

Wondering people's thoughts on this matter. I can't help but think that the Smoot signing will mean Springs is on the way out - but I am often wrong about things and he could stay.

Assuming he does stay who do you forsee starting? Who would be the most able to move to Free Safety if need be? I assume Springs due to his talking ability and that seems to be the transition for aging corner backs.

My prediction will be a lot of interchanging parts in the secondary, and I am hoping for a resurgance of AA with the influx of speed with Smoot.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:48 pm

Gibbs Says Redskins 'Counting' on Springs

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:50 pm

Jake wrote:Gibbs Says Redskins 'Counting' on Springs

Definately, he spoke like he's staying regardless of the contract during Smoots conference.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:52 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
Jake wrote:Gibbs Says Redskins 'Counting' on Springs

Definately, he spoke like he's staying regardless of the contract during Smoots conference.

I think Gibbs has to say that and if he doesn't rework in contract he'll be shipped o Detroit or cut after June 1st

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:53 pm

1niksder wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
Jake wrote:Gibbs Says Redskins 'Counting' on Springs

Definately, he spoke like he's staying regardless of the contract during Smoots conference.

I think Gibbs has to say that and if he doesn't rework in contract he'll be shipped o Detroit or cut after June 1st

I'm not saying Springs IS staying, but t we have to make another significant move at cornerback if we are going to cut Springs. We don't want to go into the season with what we have less him. I think the conflict is they want him but Springs is taking a hard line on not taking a cut, which is probably more out of principle then anything since I'm sure we would still be paying him well.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:18 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I'm not saying Springs IS staying, but t we have to make another significant move at cornerback if we are going to cut Springs. We don't want to go into the season with what we have less him. I think the conflict is they want him but Springs is taking a hard line on not taking a cut, which is probably more out of principle then anything since I'm sure we would still be paying him well.

I agree on all points, I just don't think he'll budge and the should be looking at filling holes and having enough money to resign Cool

ey and Taylor

theblueman · Post by **theblueman** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:27 pm

Jake wrote:Gibbs Says Redskins 'Counting' on Springs

Not calling him a liar or anything, but when Gibbs (or any Head Coach) says something in a press conference you have to take it with a grain of salt. I remember him saying Ramsey had a "bright future" right after they drafted Cambell. Somehow I believed him! HA!

It seems as though they are preparing for life without Springs right now.

HailSkins2007 · Post by **HailSkins2007** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:12 pm

I have to disagree, I think they are preparing to replace Rodger's. He had not been what they thought he was going to be. William's has to play him 10 yards back because he does not have the speed to play in this defense. Smoot does have that and so does Springs.

theblueman · Post by **theblueman** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:24 pm

HailSkins2007 wrote:I have to disagree, I think they are preparing to replace Rodger's. He had not been what they thought he was going to be. William's has to play him 10 yards back because he does not have the speed to play in this defense. Smoot does have that and so does Springs.

I started to formulate my rebuttal...but I don't know where to even start.

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:02 am

Smoot wont beat out Rogers. The whole defense had a down year. Half of them were injured and it caused problems everywhere. There was no pass rush, no protection deep from the two safeties and the CB's were hung out to dry. To point at an up and coming player like Rogers as the problem is ridiculous. THE SKINS D SET AN NFL RECORD FOR FEWEST TURNOVERS! Rogers had a down season, C. Grif had a down season, so did Salav'ea, Daniels, Marshall, Springs, Taylor and Archuleta (horrible!) So don't judge Rogers yet. He is a former Thorpe award winner and doesn't resort to the feeble Neon Deion arm tackles that Smoot employs.

Meanwhile, Smoot played on a much better defense in Minnesota and looked worse than Rogers in the games he suited up for. Smoot also played in the easiest division in football for covering Wr's the last two years and still sucked. It takes eleven men to play good defense and Rogers will be one of those eleven before Smoot. Let's just hope two things, 1. we didn't give much guaranteed money to Smoot, 2. we keep Springs.

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:43 am

Just so everyone knows...

Votes of Confidence Such as Gibbs on Springs = Kiss of Death

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:48 am

From PFW:

Smoot was replaced as the starting right cornerback in Week 10 by rookie Cedric Griffin, and he remained a backup for the rest of the season.

They also had Kenny Wright ranked above Smoot on the FA CB list. 25 mil? :shock:

roybus14 · Post by **roybus14** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:43 am

Smoot will be fine....

The real pickle that we have started last off season with the signing of AA. It has not worked and why are the Redskins asking Springs to take a cut when they should be asking AA instead.

From a defensive strategy standpoint, given Springs' age and injuries, he would be better suited to play Safety alongside Taylor. That way you speed at the safety position and a guy that can keep Taylor straight back there. The really interesting piece to this would be how Smoot and Rogers would do as a CB tandem and would GW be willing to make this move because, IMO, the odd man out in this situation should be AA because of the money involved and him being limited to just the run and STs...

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:47 am

I bet they have asked AA to take a cut and he has refused. Reportedly, he is blaming the coaching staff for not using him properly and not allowing him to play enough to show what he can do. Just a guess but I bet they have asked him to take a cut.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:20 am

According to sources, Springs, 31, believes the combination of his age, his future salary cap numbers and the club's reservations about his durability make it unlikely they would try to retain him beyond 2007, and he wants a resolution. Springs said he would play for the full worth of his contract this season, but not for a restructured deal that would result in him making less. He is open to a trade and is mulling over a tactic used by former Redskins linebacker LaVar Arrington last year, when he forfeited deferred payments to opt out of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent

WP

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:53 am

1niksder wrote:
According to sources, Springs, 31, believes the combination of his age, his future salary cap numbers and the club's reservations about his durability make it unlikely they would try to retain him beyond 2007, and he wants a resolution. Springs said he would play for the full worth of his contract this season, but not for a restructured deal that would result in him making less. He is open to a trade and is mulling over a tactic used by former Redskins linebacker LaVar Arrington last year, when he forfeited deferred payments to opt out of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent

WP

Yes, it is. I suppose to bargain we have to have something to bargain with, like a longer contract or something.

So, Shawn, we were thinking we'd like to cut your pay for this year but not give you any security for future years because you're kinda old for a CB and having trouble staying healthy and even if we do keep you on the payroll this year next year's not looking too good.

So what do you say, can we lop say a couple mil of this year's contract?

Sure, I'd do that if I were him.

LOSTHOG · Post by **LOSTHOG** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:43 pm

THESE GUYS HAVE TO KNOW WHEN THEY SIGN THESE BACKLOADED CONTRACTS THAT THEY WILL NEVER RECEIVE IT'S FULL WORTH. IT'S TO FLATTER THEIR EGO MORE THAN ANYTHING. NO NEED TO WORRY, HE HAS TIL JUNE TO COME TO HIS SENSES. IF HE WANTS TO BE HERE GREAT, IF NOT TRADE HIM FOR WHAT WE CAN GET.

poper2 · Post by **poper2** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:13 pm

This is a no brainer. Carlos Rogers is set at the starting CB position. The only question is: Who will be starting at the other corner?

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:24 pm

poper2 wrote:This is a no brainer. Carlos Rogers is set at the starting CB position. The only question is: Who will be starting at the other corner?

I disagree. I think who the 3rd and 4th guys in are actually pretty important too. And the 5th guy is not to be ignored these days either. We need at least 3 really good corners and at least 2 more reliable ones or we are going to get torched.

Cappster · Post by **Cappster** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:38 pm

poper2 wrote:This is a no brainer. Carlos Rogers is set at the starting CB position. The only question is: Who will be starting at the other corner?

Just because CR was a first round pick, doesn't mean he will be a starter next year. Our defense was a lot better when we had the combo of Smoot/Springs than Rogers/Springs. Nothing is given in the NFL. We all know Smoot and Springs both want to start. Rogers will have to work hard and get some sticky tack for his hands if he wants the starting job.

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:28 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
poper2 wrote:This is a no brainer. Carlos Rogers is set at the starting CB position. The only question is: Who will be starting at the other corner?

I disagree. I think who the 3rd and 4th guys in are actually pretty important too. And the 5th guy is not to be ignored these days either. We need at least 3 really good corners and at least 2 more reliable ones or we are going to get torched.

Folks, what we need is a pass rush, it doesn't matter if we have five Champ Baileys. All other things being equal, any NFL QB who is allowed to get into a rhythm will pick apart any secondary. That's not to say that you want chumps at corner, you'd obviously like to have talent in the secondary. But if the team can't get to the QB, it doesn't matter who plays in the secondary.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:32 pm

Fios wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
poper2 wrote:This is a no brainer. Carlos Rogers is set at the starting CB position. The only question is: Who will be starting at the other corner?

I disagree. I think who the 3rd and 4th guys in are actually pretty important too. And the 5th guy is not to be ignored these days either. We need at least 3 really good corners and at least 2 more reliable ones or we are going to get torched.

Folks, what we need is a pass rush, it doesn't matter if we have five Champ Baileys. All other things being equal, any NFL QB who is allowed to get into a rhythm will pick apart any secondary. That's not to say that you want chumps at corner, you'd obviously like to have talent in the secondary. But if the team can't get to the QB, it doesn't matter who plays in the secondary.

And this is exactly why I like the Smoot signing. We didn't need Nate or Bly we needed a decent CB who can get the job done. Any decent CB will flourish under a defense with a good pass rush.

Houligan26 · Post by **Houligan26** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:33 pm

I agree but if you have a great pass rush. Most qbs in this league can pick on guys like wright and rumph all day. Never in all my years as a skins fan had I been as frustrated with having to put up with those losers all season. There are few things as pathetic as watching those 2 try to locate the ball in the air.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:37 pm

Houligan26 wrote:I agree but if you have a great pass rush. Most qbs in this league can pick on guys like wright and rumph all day. Never in all my years as a skins fan had I been as frustrated with having to put up with those losers all season. There are few things as pathetic as watching those 2 try to locate the ball in the air.

If you have a good pass rush they won't be able to pick on those guys as easily.

A good pass rush allows you to keep more defensive players in coverage.
More coverage = more interceptions

Why do the Skins lack interceptions?
1. No pass rush
2. Nobody around to pick off the ball
3. Carlos Rogers
4. Needing to blitz 30 players to get some sort of pressure on the QB.

The Skins have yet to have an amazing pass rush during this tenure, if they can get one I"d expect us to move back into the top5 defenses.

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:38 pm

Houligan26 wrote:I agree but if you have a great pass rush. Most qbs in this league can pick on guys like wright and rumph all day. Never in all my years as a skins fan had I been as frustrated with having to put up with those losers all season. There are few things as pathetic as watching those 2 try to locate the ball in the air.

Trust me, I understand that notion. I also think Carlos Rogers takes far too much of the blame, I think there were some unrealistic expectations for a second-year player who had some flaws exposed by horrendous D-line play.

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