Has Gregg Williams' time passed?

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:39 pm

Could Williams be intentionally sabatoging the team in order that his secret deal with Snyder and Gibbs last year would be expediated?

roybus14 · Post by **roybus14** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:44 am

SkinzCanes wrote:
3) Rogers is having a bad year -- not that suprising. Many players don't play well their sophmore year. There are plenty of examples.

I don't think that it's a sophmore slump. I think that he just isn't a very good player. Everybody likes to talk about his big hits and his tackling, but as a corner his primary role is to cover. And Rogers does just about everything wrong in coverage that a corner could do. His technique is poor, his speed is below average for the position, he can't catch at all, and his attitude (based on the tampa game and post game comments) isn't the best. On top of that he fails to look back at the ball on deep passing plays (usually because he is desperately trying to catch up to the receiver) and as a result receivers are able to catch balls that he should've batted away or they draw pass interference penalties on him. To top it all off, he seems more than willing to celebrate a play even if he had nothing to do with making the stop (receiver drops a catchable ball). Not sure how many people noticed this, but during the Tampa game, on Becht's td catch, Rogers began celebrating while the ball was still in the air because he thought that the play was over. It wasn't. Could he have stopped the td? I don't know. Should he have tried instead of celebrating? Absolutely.

Hopefully this is just a sohpmore slump, but imo it isn't. I still don't understand why we drafted Rogers in the top 10 instead of taking a guy like Merriman. To take a 3rd corner in the top 10 of a draft when the other 2 (Rolle and Pac Man) arent that good to begin with just seems like a waste. The corners coming out this year that could go in the top of the draft are much better than the 2005 group imo.

I agree. I've seen other CBs have bad sophmore years but they still played with confidence and up on the WR. Rogers doesn't have any confidence and it shows by him playing off a receiving 10-15 on 3rd and 5.

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:07 pm

I thought this thread needed reviving (although any one of a dozen threads would have been just as appropriate).

In light of the Fletcher signing, what do we think now of William's arrogance and intransigence? We've seen the theories that Williams lost the players in Buffalo, and that theory was extended to last year's defensive performance in DC. But now, we have the Redskins signing a player who worked with Williams during his time in Buffalo, a player that played probably the most mentally demanding position, and certainly played in a position where he would have heard Williams' voice loud and clear every time that the defence didn't line up right, or somebody took a step in the wrong direction.

I'm not arguing that the signing of Fletcher is a vindication of Williams's personality or coaching methods, but I just think that the fact that Fletcher is happy to work with him again should make us think again on the question of whether Williams is too tough and arrogant for players to respect for long. OK, Fletcher is being well paid, but would he really have come to Washington if Williams is really such an arse?

Perhaps the truth is that Williams is just really hard to play for when you're losing. Or when you lose your appetite for hard work. It's possible that the importance of the Fletcher signing far outweighs his athletic talent, and that his impact on the team may be sufficient to remind us all that Williams really is a great defensive coach after all.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:45 pm

I just think that the fact that Fletcher is happy to work with him again should make us think again on the question of whether Williams is too tough and arrogant for players to respect for long. OK, Fletcher is being well paid, but would he really have come to Washington if Williams is really such an arse?

It has also been reported that, even though many teams voiced interest in Fletcher, the only team he spoke with was the Redskins. In my mind, that tells me all I need to know about the players opinions of Williams.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:15 pm

Countertrey wrote:
I just think that the fact that Fletcher is happy to work with him again should make us think again on the question of whether Williams is too tough and arrogant for players to respect for long. OK, Fletcher is being well paid, but would he really have come to Washington if Williams is really such an arse?

It has also been reported that, even though many teams voiced interest in Fletcher, the only team he spoke with was the Redskins. In my mind, that tells me all I need to know about the players opinions of Williams.

You mean that player's opinion of Williams.

Fletcher might be quite happy to go back to Williams, because perhaps he enjoyed the guy.

I mean some players really liked Spurrier too, and some players (hi LaVar) can't stand Joe Gibbs...

Just saying

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:17 pm

I think that more players like Williams than dislike him. He has high expectations, calls players out when they make mistakes, and will do whatever it takes to win. Some players are used to people kissing up to them and they don't like it.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:31 pm

I rather suspect that those players who don't like him are mostly underperforming prima donnas, whom have had his foot up their butts.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:31 pm

frankcal20 wrote:I think that more players like Williams than dislike him. He has high expectations, calls players out when they make mistakes, and will do whatever it takes to win. Some players are used to people kissing up to them and they don't like it.

I totally agree. I think the athletes that just want to win would love playing for him. Unfortunately too many are just used to being told how great they are and can't cope with a coach who tells them when the screw up instead of just telling them when they make a great play.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:34 pm

Well said UK, and I totally agree. I've never stopped liking Williams and I'm extremely happy to have him as a coach.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:47 pm

Countertrey wrote:I rather suspect that those players who don't like him are mostly underperforming prima donnas, whom have had his foot up their butts.

Look at the player we are talking about here. Flecther has no history... No history of being a problem, no history of off-field issues, no history of dealing with coaches negatively,,, wait a minute I'm finding history... ok I stand corrected he does have a history. He has a history of being a hard worker, team player, locker room leader, tackling machine, not missing games and not taking plays off.

I don't think a guy with that kind of history (or lack of) would be too happy to play for a guy like Williams if Williams was as bad as Mike Rumph said he was in the Tom Friend story.

Draft_Net101 · Post by **Draft_Net101** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:36 pm

Williams is a great cordinator, but a horrible coach. He has one of the best defensive minds in the game.