Unofficial 40 times WR

[BossHog]

Here are some unofficial 40 times from the wide receivers at the Combine today...


Yamon Figurs 4.30 (fastest)
Jason Hill 4.32
Calvin Johnson 4.35*
Robert Meachem 4.36
David Clowney 4.36
Andre Allison 4.39
Anthony Gonzalez 4.44
Dwayne Bowe 4.51
Steve Smith 4.37
Mike Walker 4.37
Mike Mason 4.40
Paul Williams 4.41
Nannee 4.42
Williams 4.43
Robinson 4.47

Calvin Johnson wasn't even supposed to work out but decided last minute to run the forty and had to use someone else's shoes. He posted he third fastest time at 4.35 and he's 6'5" 239 pounds... what a monster this guy is.

[1niksder]

If C Johnson is there at #6, Tenn. will throw the house at us but he'll be gone by #4

[brad7686]

Paul Williams is a monster to be running a 4.41 too. This is why teams without intermediate draft picks lose. Stupid Snyder. I doubt he makes it to round 5. David Ball will probly be gone too. Jacoby Jones might be worth a look in the 5th round.

[Fios]

If C Johnson is there at #6, Tenn. will throw the house at us but he'll be gone by #4

God that would be lovely, the Titans have a bunch of picks

[1niksder]

Yeah they do

[BossHog]

I don't think Johnson would be avilable by us, and I am not sure anyone would throw picks away when there are some very decent second tier WRs (Ginn, Jarrett, Meachem, Bowe).

But what I like is that Brady Quinn's stock is falling enough that he might be available when we pick and if he is, then I think there are SEVERAL teams that would feel the need to try and move up... in fact, you could argue that all three teams behind us might be interested... Minnesota, Houston, and Miami... so that might actually create a really good trade down scenario... one or two spots to pick up another first day pick...

Still way too early to speculate though... free agency and some pro dates will help iron out the top five... but I think there were some good performances this weekend to help out the Redskins cause if they want to move down a few spots... Joe Thomas was a monster, Calvin johnson is a freak, Peterson ran well and may have moved as high as number three according to the buzz... and all before the 'sexy' defensive players have taken the field for the workouts.

And we all know how good pass rushers and run stuffers tend to look on day one of the draft... so if the Redskins real goal is to move down a little bit and still pick up a top 10 player and another first day pick, then some more good performances tomorrow would be good too!!!

[Mursilis]

Those are interesting 40 times and all, but WR seems almost as bad as QB for the odds the kid will be a bust - look at Braylon Edwards (may come on later, has had injury issues), Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Charlie Roger, Matt Jones, Kelley Washington, and on and on and on . . . Some of those guys have been OK, but none of them has been a game-breaker yet. WR seems so hit or miss these days. We'll see if Calvin Johnson avoids the same fate.

[Smithian]

Robert Meachem is crap. During the Arkansas-Tennier(When Gameday was there.)he was owned. I think outside of only two big plays, he was thrown down the ground three times by Chris Houston and all he did was run back to the huddle scared while Chris Houston was laughing at him.

Now, Bret Smith, he is a stud.

[frankcal20]

Those are interesting 40 times and all, but WR seems almost as bad as QB for the odds the kid will be a bust - look at Braylon Edwards (may come on later, has had injury issues), Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Charlie Roger, Matt Jones, Kelley Washington, and on and on and on . . . Some of those guys have been OK, but none of them has been a game-breaker yet. WR seems so hit or miss these days. We'll see if Calvin Johnson avoids the same fate.

I think that you have to look at the teams that those first rounders play for that you call a bust. Cleveland, no qb to throw the ball. Detroit, no qb to throw the ball and no offensive line. Matt Jones, come on. He's a qb who switched to WR. He has shown flashes but last year the qb's didn't really help the team due to injury etc. Now Kelley Washington, ummm Chad Johnson and TJ. You have a point with him. But you can not say that any of these guys are a bust because if they were drafted by a decent team they would have better numbers. Now if Detroit and Cleveland get a decent QB through free agency or the draft then we will see how good these really can be but with their current situation, you can't guage their level of talent.

[DiRTyHoG3026]

Those are interesting 40 times and all, but WR seems almost as bad as QB for the odds the kid will be a bust - look at Braylon Edwards (may come on later, has had injury issues), Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Charlie Roger, Matt Jones, Kelley Washington, and on and on and on . . . Some of those guys have been OK, but none of them has been a game-breaker yet. WR seems so hit or miss these days. We'll see if Calvin Johnson avoids the same fate.

Actually Roy Williams has become a true gamebreaker and made the pro bowl. Check his stats. I'm not saying I disagree with you, just wanted to point that out

[air_hog]

How can Calvin Johnson not go Number 1.

He's 6'5, 260 and runs a 4.3 FORTY YARD DASH!

Even though the Raiders already have Moss, you would have to be an idiot not to take Calvin Johnson, if not to even trade him like 10 Minutes later for like 5 picks.

[SkinsFreak]

After I saw him run the 40, I was like...daaaaaammmnnnnn. That guy is a freak of nature. Any team that passes on this guy is foolish, regardless of needs. Anyone who disputes that hasn't seen this guy run or play. He is extremely gifted and will be a great in this game.

[Chris Luva Luva]

So, do we get CJ if he falls to us? What do you guys think?

[Mursilis]

So, do we get CJ if he falls to us? What do you guys think?

No way I see this team drafting CJ. He don't have a pressing need at WR, and we have too many other issues on defense (and too few picks) to get any offensive player. But hopefully, if CJ falls to us, we can make some trades and get some picks.

[Chris Luva Luva]

So, do we get CJ if he falls to us? What do you guys think?

No way I see this team drafting CJ. He don't have a pressing need at WR, and we have too many other issues on defense (and too few picks) to get any offensive player. But hopefully, if CJ falls to us, we can make some trades and get some picks.

I only ask because some people feel that you should always take the best person regardless of need.

Kinda like a Reggie Bush, do you think we should have taken him if we were in position to do so last year?

[BossHog]

Calvin Johnson would NEVER make it past Tampa Bay at #4 IMO

[Chris Luva Luva]

Calvin Johnson would NEVER make it past Tampa Bay at #4 IMO

Do you think he is the real deal? Or will he bust like Mike Willaims (who i wanted)?

[Mursilis]

So, do we get CJ if he falls to us? What do you guys think?

No way I see this team drafting CJ. He don't have a pressing need at WR, and we have too many other issues on defense (and too few picks) to get any offensive player. But hopefully, if CJ falls to us, we can make some trades and get some picks.

I only ask because some people feel that you should always take the best person regardless of need.

Those people are stupid. It's still a team sport; ONE player will not EVER win a Super Bowl for a bad team. Additionally, it's not like you can put two persons playing the same position (this only true for some positions, however) on the field at the same time. For example, if Brady Quinn or JaMarcus Russell fell to Indy or the Pats, for example, should either team draft these highly-regarded QBs? IMHO, that makes no sense whatsoever. I've never agreed with the "draft the best player, regardless of need" approach. How's that worked out for the Lions?

Kinda like a Reggie Bush, do you think we should have taken him if we were in position to do so last year?

That's hard to say, since we didn't even have a 1st round pick last year, but I don't miss him, even if we could've gotten him. Again, ONE player on a BAD team will not take that team all the way - football has got to be the most TEAM-oriented team sport of the big ones. Look at Barry Sanders, one of the greatest running backs of all time, yet the Lions only won ONE playoff game during his entire career. Ultimately, that's not much of a payoff, but I'm not blaming Sanders. That's just the way football is - the talent has to be spread out for a team to be successful.

[Mursilis]

Calvin Johnson would NEVER make it past Tampa Bay at #4 IMO

Do you think he is the real deal? Or will he bust like Mike Willaims (who i wanted)?

Anyone who claims to know is just guessing or lying, or both. There's just too many 'what-ifs' to be sure. Look at how many players have been called 'the real deal' only to be absolute busts in the pros. And even assuming a player has all the physical skills and talent to be one of the greats in the pros, what if his head isn't in it (see Williams, Ricky)? Look at Randy Moss - has all the physical skills to be one of the greatest of all times, but has squandered much of his talent being more of a distraction than a playmaker lately.

[air_hog]

So, do we get CJ if he falls to us? What do you guys think?

You have to take Calvin Johnson if he is available when you are picking. No matter what team you are and what pick it is.

And as for the Redskins. Yes. We draft him, then trade him to like Atlanta for the #10, and a lot of extra picks.

[BossHog]

Calvin Johnson would NEVER make it past Tampa Bay at #4 IMO

Do you think he is the real deal? Or will he bust like Mike Willaims (who i wanted)?

Anyone who claims to know is just guessing or lying, or both. There's just too many 'what-ifs' to be sure. Look at how many players have been called 'the real deal' only to be absolute busts in the pros. And even assuming a player has all the physical skills and talent to be one of the greats in the pros, what if his head isn't in it (see Williams, Ricky)? Look at Randy Moss - has all the physical skills to be one of the greatest of all times, but has squandered much of his talent being more of a distraction than a playmaker lately.

You can never know... that's for sure, and has been established historically many, many times.

I personally think that he's a much more gifted player than Mike Williams, and the only comparisons that can be drawn between the two are physical. Williams was a turtle compared to Johnson though... he ran a 4.59... Johnson ran a 4.35 in someone else's shoes. That's blazing speed for a guy that checked in at 239 pounds.

He's gifted physically, but you never do know how a player will pan out at the NFL level. I personally think Johnson will be a very good NFL wide receiver for years to come.

[Mursilis]

Calvin Johnson would NEVER make it past Tampa Bay at #4 IMO

Do you think he is the real deal? Or will he bust like Mike Willaims (who i wanted)?

Anyone who claims to know is just guessing or lying, or both. There's just too many 'what-ifs' to be sure. Look at how many players have been called 'the real deal' only to be absolute busts in the pros. And even assuming a player has all the physical skills and talent to be one of the greats in the pros, what if his head isn't in it (see Williams, Ricky)? Look at Randy Moss - has all the physical skills to be one of the greatest of all times, but has squandered much of his talent being more of a distraction than a playmaker lately.

You can never know... that's for sure, and has been established historically many, many times.

I personally think that he's a much more gifted player than Mike Williams, and the only comparisons that can be drawn between the two are physical. Williams was a turtle compared to Johnson though... he ran a 4.59... Johnson ran a 4.35 in someone else's shoes. That's blazing speed for a guy that checked in at 239 pounds.

He's gifted physically, but you never do know how a player will pan out at the NFL level. I personally think Johnson will be a very good NFL wide receiver for years to come.

Quite possibly; all the signs are pointing in that direction. I'd have to agree that there's a strong hint of greatness about him. Just his physical specs are amazing - that big AND that fast?!?!

Of course, he's going to need someone to get him the ball, or it's not going to much matter.

[SkinsFreak]

You can never know... that's for sure, and has been established historically many, many times.

I personally think that he's a much more gifted player than Mike Williams, and the only comparisons that can be drawn between the two are physical. Williams was a turtle compared to Johnson though... he ran a 4.59... Johnson ran a 4.35 in someone else's shoes. That's blazing speed for a guy that checked in at 239 pounds.

He's gifted physically, but you never do know how a player will pan out at the NFL level. I personally think Johnson will be a very good NFL wide receiver for years to come.

Agreed 100%.

I know I'm alone on an island with this one, but I'm not afraid to say it. If Johnson was available at #6, I'd take him and keep him. It is well known that rookie receivers struggle in this league, but I believe Johnson is in a different class all together.

To trade down and pick up say a 3rd rounder means we'll have another work in progress that won't start. We've already cut many defensive players we've drafted in the later rounds. I KNOW we have holes to fill, but you don't have to fill them all in one year. We still could get a couple of guys in free agency, like a DE, MLB and a corner, and pick up a stud DE or DT next year in the draft. I think players like Johnson only come along so often, as his talents are so far above his competitors. There could be a half a dozen DE's this year that could be great, but only 1 wide out, IMHO.

Our defense will improve no mater what, the only way is up when you are at the bottom. Also, Williams admitted that he tried to implement some tougher schemes that the new guys struggled to pick up. He said he wants to simplify things. That in itself will help.

Now, I've been wanting to draft Anderson at #6, but if they took Johnson, I won't be disappointed. We NEED a tallish receiver and Johnson is big, tall, can fly and is extremely talented physically. He would make an immediate impact.

I admit, it's a tough call for me; he would be hard to pass on. I already know that 99% of you would pass on him and why. That said, I'm 99% confident they will take a defensive player in the first round, with that 1% being Johnson. But I agree with Boss; he will be gone by #4.

"We know there will be some really talented guys available, but game-plan wise I feel really comfortable saying that we'll take the best player no matter what," coach Joe Gibbs said.

http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20070 ... -5632r.htm

Ok, let my bashing begin.

[Chris Luva Luva]

I understand what you're saying and can't knock you for it. ^

[PulpExposure]

You can never know... that's for sure, and has been established historically many, many times.

Let me remind you about the man called Robo-Quarterback. Todd Marijuanavich. Oh wait, Marinovich