Trading down

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:04 pm

I think with Houston, it depends on who's available and if Houston gets rid of Carr.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:19 pm

Skins might also look to deal down… Washington, which doesn’t have picks in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th rounds this year, may be another team looking to trade down. The Redskins have the 6th pick overall and have indicated they may be interested in moving the pick in order to order to acquire additional picks further down in the draft. In fact, there is an interesting scenario developing for the Redskins, especially if Notre Dame QB Brady Quinn is still on the board when the Redskins make the 6th pick. If Washington stayed at #6 the Redskins reportedly would be most interested in taking Clemson DE Gaines Adams. However, there is a better than even chance that Gaines will go earlier than that – either to Arizona at #5 or even Detroit with the second pick. And if Quinn were still available at the #6 spot the three teams that pick right after Washington – Minnesota, Houston and Miami which pick 7th through 9th respectively – are all reportedly interested in Quinn. That could open the door for Washington to trade the pick to the highest bidder, drop down several spots and still get one of the top defensive linemen in this year’s draft such as Michigan DT Alan Branch or Arkansas DE Jamaal Anderson.
Falcons DE heads to FA… Atlanta DE Patrick Kerney, the Falcons’ first-round pick in 1999, did void his contract with the team late last week and will become a free agent on March 2nd.

GBN

redskingush · Post by **redskingush** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:05 am

It wouldnt be unheard of for the skins to trade the pick, maybe grab a first rounder next year or 1 next year and a later 1st rounder with a desperate team to get their guy.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:08 pm

You can't possibly answer this question intelligently yes or no without knowing who's available when we pick or what we would get for it.

And there are almost always more teams looking to trade down then up, which is another reason it's a dubious move.

If we get another trade like the Saints entire draft board for moving down 3 picks, then sure. But we should plan to use the pick and just be open rather then look for what is more likely a bad trade moving down.

So my pick is "other - Plan to use the pick but stay by the phone."

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:04 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:You can't possibly answer this question intelligently yes or no without knowing who's available when we pick or what we would get for it.

Who said anything about answering it intelligently?

So my pick is "other - Plan to use the pick but stay by the phone"

I agree. The best trade-downs usually happen when something unexpected happens. Somebody getting desperate or hung up on a particular player. We're far too far away from the draft to know what might happen yet - there's too much that could change with free agency. Who knows, somebody could lose a running back for the season in a freak gardening accident, and then they might come knocking on our door if Peterson is still on the board when we pick, and they might be willing to give up something silly.

Don't look to trade down but, as you rightly say, keep the phone nearby.

Pudgeman37 · Post by **Pudgeman37** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:09 pm

Well, this gets interesting:

Jamal Lewis signs with the Browns, meaning the whole draft board is screwed up. If the Browns stay at 3, they're going to draft Quinn, but Cleveland might trade with NE, who have two first round picks and can pickup Calvin Johnson. If the latter scenario were to happen, the Redskins need to lookout of who the Bucs and Cardinals select. It's possible they could select Jamaal Anderson and Okoybe ahead of the Skins pick. If I were the Skins, find someone who wants either Peterson or Quinn the most and find the best offer possible.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:15 pm

Pudgeman37 wrote:Well, this gets interesting:

Jamal Lewis signs with the Browns, meaning the whole draft board is screwed up. If the Browns stay at 3, they're going to draft Quinn, but Cleveland might trade with NE, who have two first round picks and can pickup Calvin Johnson. If the latter scenario were to happen, the Redskins need to lookout of who the Bucs and Cardinals select. It's possible they could select Jamaal Anderson and Okoybe ahead of the Skins pick. If I were the Skins, find someone who wants either Peterson or Quinn the most and find the best offer possible.

LEWIS SIGNING DOESN'T RULE OUT PETERSON PICK

Scout.com reports that the deal between the Browns and running back Jamal Lewis is a one-year deal only.

Recently, it was reported that Lewis did not want to sign a one-year deal.

The practical effect? The addition of Lewis doesn't mean that the Browns won't draft running back Adrian Peterson with the No. 3 overall pick. Lewis can be the starter while Peterson spends his rookie year learning the ropes. Then, in 2008 or 2009, Peterson can take over the running game.

Also, the fact that Lewis accepted a one-year contract in Cleveland could mean that the Ravens yanked their offer after they turned their focus to Willis McGahee.

PFT

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:07 am

1niksder wrote:
Pudgeman37 wrote:Well, this gets interesting:

Jamal Lewis signs with the Browns, meaning the whole draft board is screwed up. If the Browns stay at 3, they're going to draft Quinn, but Cleveland might trade with NE, who have two first round picks and can pickup Calvin Johnson. If the latter scenario were to happen, the Redskins need to lookout of who the Bucs and Cardinals select. It's possible they could select Jamaal Anderson and Okoybe ahead of the Skins pick. If I were the Skins, find someone who wants either Peterson or Quinn the most and find the best offer possible.

LEWIS SIGNING DOESN'T RULE OUT PETERSON PICK

Scout.com reports that the deal between the Browns and running back Jamal Lewis is a one-year deal only.

Recently, it was reported that Lewis did not want to sign a one-year deal.

The practical effect? The addition of Lewis doesn't mean that the Browns won't draft running back Adrian Peterson with the No. 3 overall pick. Lewis can be the starter while Peterson spends his rookie year learning the ropes. Then, in 2008 or 2009, Peterson can take over the running game.

Also, the fact that Lewis accepted a one-year contract in Cleveland could mean that the Ravens yanked their offer after they turned their focus to Willis McGahee.

PFT

Well there goes that scenario. I wouldn't be surprised if Cleveland picked up Peterson. All the teams in the league want a tandem set and Peterson would be that go to guy for them.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:25 pm

1niksder wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:That's why draft pick for draft pick trades are usually done on draft day. When a team has a player available they constact teams to see if someone's willing to deal and then they adjust from there depending on how much they want the pick and how much teams are willing to deal.

With Minny and Houston looking for a QB if they don't find one in FA we could get Houston's 3rd rounder. It would allow them to jump over the Vikings on the draft board. Today this trade would make almost know sense, but on draftday....

Houston owns the eighth overall choice in the first round of the draft and NFL sources tell ESPN.com that the Texans have been talking to teams higher in the order about moving up in the round, if necessary, to snag Quinn. Specifically, the Texans feel they might have to leap-frog the Minnesota Vikings, who own the No. 7 pick and will also be tempted to grab Quinn.

The Texans have been doing a lot of talking with Washington, currently at the No. 6 slot, about a deal. That makes sense because Redskins coach Joe Gibbs, who finally seems convinced that you can't buy a Super Bowl with free agents and actually have to invest in some draft picks once in a while, wants to slide down out of the No. 6 slot and amass extra choices.

Some in the league feel the Texans and Redskins already have an arrangement in place for such a deal, provided, of course, Quinn is still on the board at the sixth slot.

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SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:54 pm

UK Skins Fan wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:You can't possibly answer this question intelligently yes or no without knowing who's available when we pick or what we would get for it.
Who said anything about answering it intelligently?

So my pick is "other - Plan to use the pick but stay by the phone"
I agree. The best trade-downs usually happen when something unexpected happens. Somebody getting desperate or hung up on a particular player. We're far too far away from the draft to know what might happen yet - there's too much that could change with free agency. Who knows, somebody could lose a running back for the season in a freak gardening accident, and then they might come knocking on our door if Peterson is still on the board when we pick, and they might be willing to give up something silly.

Don't look to trade down but, as you rightly say, keep the phone nearby.

I'm with you both on this - I hope we wait until the draft and then as the picture develops let the suitors make their offers - we are in the driver's seat - the only bad thing is that our FO does not ever seem to make the right choices about anything. :wink:

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:33 am

SkinsJock wrote:
UK Skins Fan wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:You can't possibly answer this question intelligently yes or no without knowing who's available when we pick or what we would get for it.
Who said anything about answering it intelligently?

So my pick is "other - Plan to use the pick but stay by the phone"
I agree. The best trade-downs usually happen when something unexpected happens. Somebody getting desperate or hung up on a particular player. We're far too far away from the draft to know what might happen yet - there's too much that could change with free agency. Who knows, somebody could lose a running back for the season in a freak gardening accident, and then they might come knocking on our door if Peterson is still on the board when we pick, and they might be willing to give up something silly.

Don't look to trade down but, as you rightly say, keep the phone nearby.

I'm with you both on this - I hope we wait until the draft and then as the picture develops let the suitors make their offers - we are in the driver's seat - the only bad thing is that our FO does not ever seem to make the right choices about anything.

Who knows what the draft board will be like at number six if half the rumors that are going around are true.

1. Moss to the Packers for Rodgers would allow Al Davis to dract Calvin Johnson at #1. This would put Detroit in a very good spot, which leads to more rumors

2. Culpepper to Detroit and swapping of picks, would allow Miami to take Quinn or Russell (they are looking at Quinn).

3. Cleveland will draft a QB or trade the pick, with the "need" at RB filled some believe the Browns won't spend a pick that high on anyone but a QB.

If all 3 happen that would mean both QBs will be gone by #6, that would kill the rumor of the Skins and Houston having a deal in place. It wouldn't hurt the Bronco trade rumors and would give the Lions more picks and allows the Springs to Detroit rumor to last a little longer. Calvin Johnson will be gone by #6 but Adrian Peterson should still be there and the Packers will still have their pick.

Detroit trading down would take us out of any bidding war for a QB but there are quite a few teams looking for RB and DL help and most are looking at the same player

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:09 pm

I think we know enough about how the draft is shaping up to know ONE very real possibility which would be PERFECT for the Skins:

Adrian Peterson falls to #6. Buffalo covets Peterson. A trade down to Buffalo's #12 would bring a higher price than the deal with Houston for #8. One or two of the following, Anderson, Okoye or Branch will most likely still be there at #12 and we'd pick up possibly a combination of a additional picks to play with. Don't forget, Buffalo has an extra 3rd rounder from the McGahee trade to Baltimore.

Most experts agree that Quinn has moved up on the Detroit and Cleveland boards. So If Cleveland doesn't take Peterson, then Tampa and Arizone are not too likely to take him either. We'll see if Danny-boy can keep his pants on. You never know, he may just go running up to the podium with the envelope the very moment we are "On the Clock".

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:45 pm

fleetus wrote:I think we know enough about how the draft is shaping up to know ONE very real possibility which would be PERFECT for the Skins:

Adrian Peterson falls to #6. Buffalo covets Peterson. A trade down to Buffalo's #12 would bring a higher price than the deal with Houston for #8. One or two of the following, Anderson, Okoye or Branch will most likely still be there at #12 and we'd pick up possibly a combination of a additional picks to play with. Don't forget, Buffalo has an extra 3rd rounder from the McGahee trade to Baltimore.

Most experts agree that Quinn has moved up on the Detroit and Cleveland boards. So If Cleveland doesn't take Peterson, then Tampa and Arizone are not too likely to take him either. We'll see if Danny-boy can keep his pants on. You never know, he may just go running up to the podium with the envelope the very moment we are "On the Clock".

If we could get both to work out we could talk to the (Anti-Redskins) Pats about a trade while talking to the Lions. If needed I'd include every pick the Redskins "currently" have to make it work.

First the Lions will still have to be interested in Springs for a 3rd rounder or better, then someone that interest the Pats will have to be available at #6. That's may be a mystery until draft day considering the fact that the are signing free agents at a Redskin pace :wink:

. Anyway we trade Springs for lets say the #66 (3rd Rd) and #129 (5th Rd - they'll have 3 more in the 5th). Swap 1st round picks with New England for the #28th pick (not the #24th), #91 (3rd Rd.), a 2nd next year (about 150pts.) and Asanti Samuels. We get the short end of this deal but we don't have 2 first rounders to give them for AS, if the Skins can then move the #91 pick, the 4th,5th & 6th rounders and the 2nd rounder in '08 (from NE) to the Jets(#59) or Phins(#60) we'd have picks in the first 3 rounds (3 of the top 130 rookies) with only needing help on the lines.

This post is definate proof that the NFL off-season is way too long

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:18 pm

It's a nice thought. Don't have much faith that the Pats, of all teams, would jump through that many hoops. If they covet anyone enough to go for our #6, it might be Calvin Johnson. Not much chance he would drop to #6. No matter what draft day trades happen or where Quinn goes, I don't see Johnson falling past the Bucs at #4.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:01 pm

fleetus wrote:It's a nice thought. Don't have much faith that the Pats, of all teams, would jump through that many hoops. If they covet anyone enough to go for our #6, it might be Calvin Johnson. Not much chance he would drop to #6. No matter what draft day trades happen or where Quinn goes, I don't see Johnson falling past the Bucs at #4.

I was thinking CJ at first but then they signed Stallworth and Washington last week. Everything they are doing is out off sink with what they have done over the past decade

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:45 pm

I voted:

Other

But the story is way too long (longer than most of the options) to explain in this post. :lol:

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:16 pm

The word is that Russell had an oustanding "Pro-Day" - we're talking Elway type of performance with 2 passes on the money at about 70 yards :shock:

there seems absolutely no doubt now that Davis will have to pick Russell. I am fairly sure that TB will take CJ so that leaves just 3 teams and I hope our FO guys have the cojones to make that 6 pick turn into at least 3 picks on the first day PLUS players that suit us and our needs.

BTW - the Pats were less than 3 mins from going to the big dance last season but I'm sure most would agree that the primary reason they were not quite good enough was because they lost so many key players last year and were not "active" enough in keeping or "paying" their FAs. If we did what they did this year for all the same reasons we would be held up to ridicule :shock:

I know that they have been measurably successful but there certainly is a double standard when it comes to the "media" and our team.
I am personally glad we have not been as active because in truth there really was not anyone available at positions of need that truly looked like a cannot miss here - this was not that great a FA market and I'm glad we did not get too involved like a few other teams did. We do not really need a great CB - we need to get the players up front that (with the players we presently have, like Carter etc..) will make the people we have look really good - and we have not finished with our secondary yet IMO.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:45 am

SkinsJock wrote:The word is that Russell had an oustanding "Pro-Day" - we're talking Elway type of performance with 2 passes on the money at about 70 yards there seems absolutely no doubt now that Davis will have to pick Russell. I am fairly sure that TB will take CJ so that leaves just 3 teams and I hope our FO guys have the cojones to make that 6 pick turn into at least 3 picks on the first day PLUS players that suit us and our needs.

Al Davis has been known to make more wrong moves than "the Danny" has been accused of and the Moss for Rodgers rumor would pretty much ensure he passes on Russell and goes after CJ. Fortunately this has no effect on the Redskins and their pick. Denver seems to be the best trade partner right now they would be the best team to trade the #6 pick to. They would have to match the value and then some to move up with the talent that will be there. The #21st pick (825 pts.) and their 2nd rounder (#56= 350 pts) won't cut it. They would HAVE to do what you want and throw in the 3rd round picks #70 (240pts)and #86 (170pts) to get the Skins to talk to them. that's 4 first day pick and the Skins still wouldn't be getting value for the pick (1600 pts vs 1585 pts), the Skins could throw in this years 4th round pick (#133 39.5 pts) and bring the shortage up to about 55 pts (a late 3rd round pick) and they could throw in a player...

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:36 am

I think the Moss trade rumor, if it happens, will be about two sides that are just ready to move on. I don't think the Raiders are trying to make room in the WR corps for Calvin Johnson. They'll draft Russell whether they trade Moss or not, IMO. Or they'll trade down with Detroit or Cleveland and still get Johnson. Russell's going #1 to somebody.

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:11 am

Now my head really hurts. Does that qualify me for a job in the Redskins front office?

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:43 am

UK Skins Fan wrote:Now my head really hurts.

A little to much on St Patrick's Day or maybe the Irish win over the Pakis? Mr Flintoff seems to be having a 'wet" time of it as well, no?

I am still hoping that these guys (Gibbs & co.) will surprise all of us with how they handle this team's make-up in the next few months. We have tried the "star" routine for years now - I would just love it if the teams like the 49ers, the Pats and others who over-paid, find that the players they paid so much for are not a good fit for their teams.

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:33 am

I think the biggest evidence that the Pats have decided to change their style by opening the pocketbook is the signing of Stallworth to a 6 year deal. Just last off-season they refused to pay that kind of money to Deion Branch who most people would agree is a better reciever than Stallworth.

gus · Post by **gus** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:00 pm

SkinsJock wrote:We have tried the "star" routine for years now .

"star" routine???? I would call it "washed out primadonas" routine.

HaiL,

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Trading down

Should we, and can we, trade our #1 for more picks later?