MLB change?

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:24 pm

Is it at all possible that Rocky might end up in the middle?

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:35 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Im sorry but there's no excuse for Rocky.

1. If he was soo raw then he shouldn't have been drafted that high. If he was that raw than we should have waited for him to drop.

2. The season was lost wayyyy before he started. There's no excuse for him to have played as late as he did.

3. Rocky could be a lot further along at that position if they hadn't screwed this up. But now I'm not sure what they'll do with him.

Rocky is quickly becoming another screw up by this team, especially if they put Lemar back at that position.

Good god man, a certain amount of pessimism is OK but that's flat out depressing. He's played PART of ONE season, how can you possibly deduce anything from that?

Houligan26 · Post by **Houligan26** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:39 pm

[quote="UK Skins Fan"]Is it at all possible that Rocky might end up in the middle?[/quote]

I am not positive but I think we drafted him for his quickness. I remember the analysis around him was that he was going to be used more as a blitzer becasue of his ability to turn the corner. I don't know if he has the size or if he is a good enough tackler to play the middle. Lord knows our d can't afford experimenting with him in the middle

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:42 pm

Fios wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Im sorry but there's no excuse for Rocky.

1. If he was soo raw then he shouldn't have been drafted that high. If he was that raw than we should have waited for him to drop.

2. The season was lost wayyyy before he started. There's no excuse for him to have played as late as he did.

3. Rocky could be a lot further along at that position if they hadn't screwed this up. But now I'm not sure what they'll do with him.

Rocky is quickly becoming another screw up by this team, especially if they put Lemar back at that position.

Good god man, a certain amount of pessimism is OK but that's flat out depressing. He's played PART of ONE season, how can you possibly deduce anything from that?

Because CLL has lost all hope. From his viewpoint, there's nothing positive for him to look at.

To him, we're the Detroit Lions. A franchise mired in futility.

Never mind a year ago we had a playoff team...

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:46 pm

Please, I don't want to derail this thread further.

My previous post may make some of my "regular" posts seem pessimistic also. I wasn't venting like I have been doing in my other posts, I see how it appeared that way.

I was simply expressing those views because thats a position of question. Some posters feel that Lemar could possibly be moved back to that position. I think Rocky could be great and it'd be horrible to let that talent sit. I'd hate to think we possibly wasted picks on this guy and we're not going to use him, picks we need right now.

I guess we got into this because we were discussing who would start after BH replied to me.

Again, I dont want to derail this thread.

PulpExposure wrote:To him, we're the Detroit Lions. A franchise mired in futility.

Never mind a year ago we had a playoff team...

Half full or half empty?

Playoffs a year ago, or one playoff birth in the past 10+ years? It all depends on your point of view. I simply got my feelings too high and was let down. So what, I'm taking it hard.

This team hasn't done jack since I've been watching the team and I had some HIGH HOPES after 2005 season. Man I was on the clouds! I never witnessed my team play like that. And this past season just brought back all of the painful feelings of previous seasons. Yeah, I can watch the superbowls from way back but it has no real emotional impact on me like it does for those of you who were alive and have memories of it. I'm proud of their past but I'd like to have great memories of my own too.

I feel some positivity with this team but I feel like certain things need to happen for this team to become what we all want it to be. I simply dont feel that the neccesary step will be taken any time soon. I guess thats why my outlook is so bleak.

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:53 pm

come over to the dark side, CLL! embrace your anger.

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:55 pm

Houligan26 wrote:
UK Skins Fan wrote:Is it at all possible that Rocky might end up in the middle?

I am not positive but I think we drafted him for his quickness. I remember the analysis around him was that he was going to be used more as a blitzer becasue of his ability to turn the corner. I don't know if he has the size or if he is a good enough tackler to play the middle. Lord knows our d can't afford experimenting with him in the middle

I tend to agree.

Rocky, Lemar and Marcus should make a decent group of outside linebackers. The way our defence works, three outside linebackers should be able to get plenty of snaps each, but I'd like to see Rocky get the start, as I'm sure most of us would. Obviously, no mention of Holdman here.

Actually, with an improved defensive line, I still think Marshall could do a job in the middle, but he's never going to be anything more than the linebacking equivalent of duct tape. A veteran middle linebacker from somewhere is what's needed, and I really don't think they have to be a splashy signing. A solid, smart player who can do his job against the running game is fine by me - a two down player is all we need.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:58 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Another kink in all of this is GW.

We know that he doesn't start rookies. How long till we see whoever we draft?

He doesn't start rookies?

How many years of NFL experience did Golston and Montgomery have BEFORE last year then?

Oh.

Gregg Williams will go with whatever gives him the best chance to be successful I would hope. And Alan Branch can CERTAINLY start if Kedric Golston can, and I mean NO disrespect to Golston whatsoever. But to me he's the swing man and we shore up the middle first.

Would that make Marshall more effective at MLB? Sure... it'd make ME more effective... but I personally think that he showed last year that he's just much better suited to the outside... and since you've already given up on McIntosh.... wouldn't you be happy to see the continuity of moving Marshall there and allowing McIntosh to continue to develop a little? i mean you'realways carrying on about developing players, but i guess they get what, one season? Mac plays decent teams and GW likes to use 4 and even 5 linebackers in some sets, so i see no harm in allowing him more time to come along.

I'll clarify that I think Marshall's a really good backer... on the outside. Inside he's just adequate. and the experience and knowledge he's gained playing inside will only help him now if he goes back outside.

Draft_Net101 · Post by **Draft_Net101** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:08 pm

I really think if you trade down and pick up an early second round pick Buster Davis would be the perfect fit for you guys. He is simply a tackling machine. He's a lot like london fletcher, who excelled in the same scheme.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:05 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Playoffs a year ago, or one playoff birth in the past 10+ years?

We went in 1999 also! 2 in 10 years...or if you really want to be crappy, twice in the past 14 years...

I guess you just have to move past anger and enter my world. Ennui.

squatch66 · Post by **squatch66** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:16 am

now i heard that there was no evidence to the jenkins rumors. is there an article or anything that points out his exit?

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:38 am

BossHog wrote:Springs moving to safety also gives us a lot of interesting nickel sets if Pierson Prioleau can come back.

The forgotten man. When he went down, I immediately crossed out a half dozen dime packages...we simply didn't have that sixth guy with speed. I thought after 2005 that P.P. would wind up being the guy to take out the slot receiver as the fifth DB. He's also screamer on ST's, and a guy you didn't have to rotate in and out every package. I hope he can recover.
It's no gimme.
Additionally, you extend Shawn's career by making the position change. It's not out of the question that he may not be able to handle the CB duties anymore...and the switch may become more a necessity than a convenience.
My brain hurts.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:38 am

BossHog wrote:He doesn't start rookies?

How many years of NFL experience did Golston and Montgomery have BEFORE last year then?

Oh.

Gregg Williams will go with whatever gives him the best chance to be successful I would hope. And Alan Branch can CERTAINLY start if Kedric Golston can, and I mean NO disrespect to Golston whatsoever. But to me he's the swing man and we shore up the middle first.

You're right and I made a mistake in my post. I meant to say that GW doesn't start them at the jump of the season but towards the middle or later half.

BossHog wrote:Would that make Marshall more effective at MLB? Sure... it'd make ME more effective... but I personally think that he showed last year that he's just much better suited to the outside... and since you've already given up on McIntosh.... wouldn't you be happy to see the continuity of moving Marshall there and allowing McIntosh to continue to develop a little? i mean you'realways carrying on about developing players, but i guess they get what, one season? Mac plays decent teams and GW likes to use 4 and even 5 linebackers in some sets, so i see no harm in allowing him more time to come along.

The scenario you mapped out sounds good. I just don't want him to be forgotten. I guess I can't hold GW accountable for past mistakes but my comments stem from AP and Lemar. We had these two really great linebackers who never got to play because we were too busy getting big names. I'd simply hate to see that happen again. I'm probally way too extreme in my thoughts.

BossHog wrote:I'll clarify that I think Marshall's a really good backer... on the outside. Inside he's just adequate. and the experience and knowledge he's gained playing inside will only help him now if he goes back outside.

You know more about the game than me, so I'll take your word for it. I've just recently become a student of the game and I really didn't pay close attention to Lemar when he was on the outside.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:46 am

My friend told me that their thinking of signing Cato June for weakside and moving Rocky to middle. U won't find this in the media. I actually got Gibbs autograph the other day, my friend gave it to me.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:43 am

1fan4ramsey wrote:The days of a stud MLB in the NFL are numbered. Lewis and Urlacher are the exception. Teams are loooking for situational backers, one plays 1st and 2nd down, bring a db for 3rd. Dick Butkis, in todays game, would be a 2 down linebacker. While Urlacher is very good, he does struggle at times in coverage. I agree with about Pierce, how did we let him get away...should have kept Lavar to, and gotten rid of our LB coach. Oh wait, we did get rid of our LB coach, in my opinion a couple years too late.

I have to disagree. There will always be a need for a stud Linebacker. Just like there will always be an emphasis on having a strong running game. As long as there are strong running teams there will always be a need for stud MLBs. Also Urlacher is one of the fastest linebackers in football// He could play Middle/Outside/weak side/strong side. I repeat there will always be a need for a stud Middle linebacker that will never ever ever change. I do agree that we need Lavar back though.