Nate Clements

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:59 pm

Houligan26 wrote:I don't think you have read a lot of these posts because Clark is being made out to be a legendary figure while he was barely celebrated while on the Skins.

If you aren't going to read what you are commenting on what does that make your comments worth?
Throwing out blanket statements like you did had me wondering but now I understand.

Houligan26 wrote: Yes Springs was hurt this year, that is why I brought him up. I view his injury plagued season as ten times more devastating to the defense than letting Clark go.

I don't view it as that drastic but when you combine it with the lost of PP I would have to agree.

Houligan26 wrote:Archuleta didn't get a fair chance at all, not saying he would have succeeded but he got treated like a 2 yr old.

AA was hurt more by the Redskin's injury bug than most people know (if cut, most will never know). He was signed to do something other than play safety. With Preilou coming back he should get that chance next year.

Houligan26 wrote: Lastly, I will say again that I don't care that he helped Taylor play team football. He is a grown man and if he can't learn to play well with others than I am fine letting him go.

Sean Taylor has played on a different level than most safeties on his bad days, he had a lot of bad days last year and having players around him that were unfamiliar with him and he's trying to learn their tendency exposed the whole unit (not meeting together as a unit didn't help either)

Springs was hurt most of the year, everyone but Ade got to play in his spot :shock:

- PP went down on play #1 a bunch of players filled that spot. Rodgers even missed sometime last season. That left Taylor out there by himself if you look at who played on the 2004 top5 team, and when healthy Rogers from the 2005 team (and he was a rookie with limit playing time) Throw in a new position coach and you could understand how Clark could/would have made a difference. Taylor gave up a lot of big plays last year but you can't put it all on him, you can't even put half of it on him.

Houligan26 · Post by **Houligan26** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:09 pm

I am putting very little of it on him if any. I agree with all your reasons why the secondary stunk. My initial comments stemmed from the praise that Clark was getting. I agree all the reasons you just mentioned were more impactful than clark leaving. Taylor is great, we all know this. Many people on this board have said things like "Clark was needed to keep Taylor in check." I am arguing this point by saying he should be able to keep himself in check. If he can't than thats a big problem but I don't believe Taylors off year was cause of the loss of Clark. It has to do with many of the things you mentioned. Thus my statement of making Clark out to be something he isn't sorry if you took my exageration on calling him legendary straightforward

Houligan26 · Post by **Houligan26** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:11 pm

I also did think the Springs injury was drastic. You could tell GW was so hesitiant to put him on an island like he did in the past which made his playcalling much less agressive. We weren't the same blitz heavy teams of years past and I put a lot of that on an unhealthy Springs. Springs is a hell of a blitzer also.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:12 pm

Houligan26 wrote:I am putting very little of it on him if any. I agree with all your reasons why the secondary stunk. My initial comments stemmed from the praise that Clark was getting. I agree all the reasons you just mentioned were more impactful than clark leaving. Taylor is great, we all know this. Many people on this board have said things like "Clark was needed to keep Taylor in check." I am arguing this point by saying he should be able to keep himself in check. If he can't than thats a big problem but I don't believe Taylors off year was cause of the loss of Clark. It has to do with many of the things you mentioned. Thus my statement of making Clark out to be something he isn't sorry if you took my exageration on calling him legendary straightforward

It's not about keeping anyone in check. Its about chemistry. Its about how those specific players meshed and played well together. Clark alone is average along with 90% of the rest of the defense, together they were terrfic. I'm a Clark supporter for what he brought to the table, what he added to the whole, not his individual ability.

No one can do it on their own, nobody is a one man crew, thats something the Skins fail to realize. It's the people around that star that make him who he is, u can't pluck them in and out of systems and expect the same thing.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:58 am

die cowboys die wrote:i believe nate clements is an unrestricted free agent after this year, which would mean there is no way we would have to trade a draft pick unless the bills franchise tag him again.

if he is a UFA i see no reason not to do whatever it takes to get him here (CBs are in high demand, so his salary will be high- that's ok as long as it isn't totally ludicrous). we are not in good shape with depth in the secondary, and we can't be sure if springs will hold up for a whole season.

this is a guy who has already proven himself in GW's system, and as a solid player for many years- but without being too old. it's exactly the right kind of guy for free agency.

Correct. Absolutely a good pickup but absolutely no reason to draft him.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:02 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I may be mistaken but Clark did pretty good in Pitt.

Smoot didn't do too bad, he wasnt the right fit for the scheme.

If we could get those two back for a decent price, it'd be dumb not to.

THey know the system.
They flourished in the sytem.
The chemistry is their with the teammates.
Neither was a lockerrom cancer.
You know what you're getting with the two of them.

I'd go after Ryan hard and give Smoot a shot. Smoot may have lost something that has little to do with the system. But then, I'd also give Arch another shot, this time as a spot rusher.

fredp45 · Post by **fredp45** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:38 am

Is there rumor that Smoot and Clark are going to be let go or are free agents?

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:42 am

Rumors only for both

bobbie brewskie · Post by **bobbie brewskie** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:04 pm

Clements is a pretty damn good CB. too bad you guys dont have the 7-8 million that it would cost to sign the guy. im sorry skins fans, but overpaying players has caught up to you! this year you guys wont even get the great title of "Kings of the off-season."

unter13 · Post by **unter13** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:15 pm

bobbie brewskie wrote:Clements is a pretty damn good CB. too bad you guys dont have the 7-8 million that it would cost to sign the guy. im sorry skins fans, but overpaying players has caught up to you! this year you guys wont even get the great title of "Kings of the off-season."

Hey Bobbie,

Go teach TO how to catch.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:19 pm

bobbie brewskie wrote:Clements is a pretty damn good CB. too bad you guys dont have the 7-8 million that it would cost to sign the guy. im sorry skins fans, but overpaying players has caught up to you! this year you guys wont even get the great title of "Kings of the off-season."

You might want to check your facts.... the Skins are in better shape at this point in the off-season than they have been in about 4 years

bobbie brewskie · Post by **bobbie brewskie** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:27 pm

unter13 wrote:
bobbie brewskie wrote:Clements is a pretty damn good CB. too bad you guys dont have the 7-8 million that it would cost to sign the guy. im sorry skins fans, but overpaying players has caught up to you! this year you guys wont even get the great title of "Kings of the off-season."

Hey Bobbie,

Go teach TO how to catch.

hmmm. im not so good at catching myself, i only caught 2 passes this season . . . then again, i was only thrown to twice (i am also a RB).

1niksder wrote:You might want to check your facts.... the Skins are in better shape at this point in the off-season than they have been in about 4 years

didnt you just say you were 2-3 million OVER the cap? if you meant under, thats still not in "good shape" and doesnt call for any "big-time FAs" to be signed.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:29 pm

bobbie brewskie wrote:Clements is a pretty damn good CB. too bad you guys dont have the 7-8 million that it would cost to sign the guy. im sorry skins fans, but overpaying players has caught up to you! this year you guys wont even get the great title of "Kings of the off-season."

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:33 pm

bobbie brewskie wrote:
1niksder wrote:You might want to check your facts.... the Skins are in better shape at this point in the off-season than they have been in about 4 years

didnt you just say you were 2-3 million OVER the cap? if you meant under, thats still not in "good shape" and doesnt call for any "big-time FAs" to be signed.

I said over and that's what I meant but it's Febuary. Come to think of it I need check on something, wouldn't be surprised if we are under the cap.

bobbie brewskie · Post by **bobbie brewskie** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:34 pm

Redskins Rule wrote:
bobbie brewskie wrote:Clements is a pretty damn good CB. too bad you guys dont have the 7-8 million that it would cost to sign the guy. im sorry skins fans, but overpaying players has caught up to you! this year you guys wont even get the great title of "Kings of the off-season."

whats so funny? Clements is better than your "all-star" CBs. Shawn Springs is past his prime, he was deep, but not nemore. ill take Clements over any of your CBs, matter of fact - if we dont sign Samuel i hope we grab Clements.

talk to me when you can actually make an arguement instead of your little "ROTFALMAO"

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:36 pm

You can't come here and talk about cap space and think we aren't going to laugh.

Asking what's funny, now that's funny

bobbie brewskie · Post by **bobbie brewskie** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:41 pm

1niksder wrote:You can't come here and talk about cap space and think we aren't going to laugh.

Asking what's funny, now that's funny

why not?

simply because you guys have evaded it every year for the past 5 years?

i can talk all i want about cap space, my team is under by 24.35 million and counting. your team is currently over it by 2-3 million according to you . . . so id say i can come here and laugh about cap space all i want.

and if you forbid me to do that, ill just ask you something along the lines of ," who you are going to draft with the "conglomerate" of draft picks that belong to you?"

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:46 pm

Actually Jon Jansen redid his contract today.... knocked a little more than $3M off the current cap and as Feb 6th the Redskins are under the cap. For the record the Redskins were 3 weeks away from this point last year, yet spent 90M in the first 3 hours of free agency.

Spending money on who they want won't be the issue, getting the right players seems to be a different story.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:51 pm

bobbie brewskie wrote:[and if you forbid me to do that, ill just ask you something along the lines of ," who you are going to draft with the "conglomerate" of draft picks that belong to you?"

The rules are here not much different than DCFU so I don't see a problem there.

But to say the Skins have cap issue is a bad joke, so we laugh to appease you when you tell a bad joke. Your a guest in our house and we're a classy bunch of hogs

bobbie brewskie · Post by **bobbie brewskie** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:51 pm

1niksder wrote:Actually Jon Jansen redid his contract today.... knocked a little more than $3M off the current cap and as Feb 6th the Redskins are under the cap. For the record the Redskins were 3 weeks away from this point last year, yet spent 90M in the first 3 hours of free agency.

Spending money on who they want won't be the issue, getting the right players seems to be a different story.

great. you guys are now just under the cap, we are sitting 24.35 million away, contemplating whether or not we should get the 7.5 million from Bledsoes contract . . .

i dont know why you try to make a case for Snyder, the guy paid a washed up Archuleta 10X more than he deserved. Brandon Lloyd a #3 WR who was palying the #1 role in SF again 10x more than he deserved. a return man in ARE 10X more than he deserved. Andre Carter, a guy who had 1 good season and played like crap besides that year - 10x more than he deserved.

you guys overpay for mediocre talent. you build teams through FA.

Snyder is a moron. as much as you want those signings to be good ones, none of them are. not to mention you traded a 4th round pick for Lloyd, didnt you?

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:56 pm

If I were going to make a case for "the Danny" don't you think I'd call him by his name?

I don't defend him but you made a comment about the cap situation of the Redskins... it was inaccurate and I pointed it out. But "the Danny" just ain't the one you'll see me defending

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:59 pm

bobbie brewskie wrote:great. you guys are now just under the cap, we are sitting 24.35 million away, contemplating whether or not we should get the 7.5 million from Bledsoes contract . . .

i dont know why you try to make a case for Snyder, the guy paid a washed up Archuleta 10X more than he deserved. Brandon Lloyd a #3 WR who was palying the #1 role in SF again 10x more than he deserved. a return man in ARE 10X more than he deserved. Andre Carter, a guy who had 1 good season and played like crap besides that year - 10x more than he deserved.

you guys overpay for mediocre talent. you build teams through FA.

Snyder is a moron. as much as you want those signings to be good ones, none of them are. not to mention you traded a 4th round pick for Lloyd, didnt you?

You seem to know a lot about what we paid those players. Did you ever ask yourself how did that blow all that money in a year that everyone said they would have to field a team of 20 rookies at a minimum in the same year?

bobbie brewskie · Post by **bobbie brewskie** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:05 am

1niksder wrote:
bobbie brewskie wrote:great. you guys are now just under the cap, we are sitting 24.35 million away, contemplating whether or not we should get the 7.5 million from Bledsoes contract . . .

i dont know why you try to make a case for Snyder, the guy paid a washed up Archuleta 10X more than he deserved. Brandon Lloyd a #3 WR who was palying the #1 role in SF again 10x more than he deserved. a return man in ARE 10X more than he deserved. Andre Carter, a guy who had 1 good season and played like crap besides that year - 10x more than he deserved.

you guys overpay for mediocre talent. you build teams through FA.

Snyder is a moron. as much as you want those signings to be good ones, none of them are. not to mention you traded a 4th round pick for Lloyd, didnt you?

You seem to know a lot about what we paid those players. Did you ever ask yourself how did that blow all that money in a year that everyone said they would have to field a team of 20 rookies at a minimum in the same year?

that didnt make much sense, but if your saying what i think you are saying i will try and respond. you guys still have problems coming, the "cap problem" that you guys have created in Washington isnt going to go away, you guys gave these guys back loaded deals so that you were able to sign them all, it is gonna bite you in the ass when you have to cut them and the cap hit comes for their big signing bonuses. Snyder basically guaranteed those guys a good amount of money, but hasnt paid them yet.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:09 am

bobbie brewskie wrote:great. you guys are now just under the cap, we are sitting 24.35 million away,

Dude!!! Over 24 million under the cap!?!?!??!

I'd be pissed if I were you! All that means is that Jerry Jones isn't doing enough to get you guys the best team possible!

Think about it.....if he just spent one hundred thousand of it. He could have gotten you guys the VERY best holder in the league!!!! You would have made that field goal, advanced in the play-offs, and your Romo wouldn't have cried!!!

Isn't your team second to only THE REDSKINS in the amount of revenue produced?

Jerry Jones is just pocketing that money! Gosh, I'd be so pissed if I were you!

bobbie brewskie · Post by **bobbie brewskie** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:29 am

Redskins Rule wrote:
bobbie brewskie wrote:great. you guys are now just under the cap, we are sitting 24.35 million away,

Dude!!! Over 24 million under the cap!?!?!??!

I'd be pissed if I were you! All that means is that Jerry Jones isn't doing enough to get you guys the best team possible!

who would we have gotten with it? ok maybe we could have gotten better OL, haha. but im content with sitting at 24 million under, that means we can get anybody we want this year.

Think about it.....if he just spent one hundred thousand of it. He could have gotten you guys the VERY best holder in the league!!!! You would have made that field goal, advanced in the play-offs, and your Romo wouldn't have cried!!!

yup, i just wish we would have gotten a topflight holder. too bad i guess. our team will be in the playoffs next year . . . we will be sitting down at thanksgiving dinner with yall, sitting with a nice winning record, while you guys are at 4-7 again.

Isn't your team second to only THE REDSKINS in the amount of revenue produced?

yea, 2nd or 3rd.

Jerry Jones is just pocketing that money! Gosh, I'd be so pissed if I were you!

Jerry Jones and his damned oil buddies.