I don't mind we sign FA. I'd just like us to use the draft picks more intelligently than trading them away. I mean our production from Duckett and Lloyd was pretty non-existant. I'm sure we could have gotten a 3rd round rookie to get us the zero TDs we got from Lloyd.
The bigger problem is that we have to draft for need, instead of drafting for depth. See below at the Giants and Eagles...they are drafting the future replacements for people like Strahan and William Thomas. That's a nice luxury.
An example is...who are our replacements for Jansen and Samuels? If one goes down with a career injury this year...we either spend next years first for his replacement (and rush a rookie into the lineup), or we sign an expensive free agent (if there's someone of equal quality on the free agent market, which I'd doubt).
1niksder wrote:[We got lucky? How? we signed a guy in the off-season to back up the tackle spot. When a tackle went own the guy signed to play stepped up and did hid job. How is that lucky?
Wade was a former starter, who was released by the Texans really late in the game (July 14th). Late enough in training camp that not many teams would sign him to start. We can't count every year on signing quality people like him. Imho we got lucky. We usually fill our depth with people like our current backup to Dock, some guy named
Taylor Whitney. Someone cut from another team because they aren't good enough to play for them. Leftovers.
My bad I didn't know we where talking about a specific time frame. Would Dock count as a starter that was drafted or was that outside the the timeframe?
Alas, outside the timeframe.
So it's obvious that the team targets players in the first round and look for depth later in the draft.
Except we get very little depth from later in the draft. Most of our players we draft in the 5-7 range don't stick. In 2004, we drafted Wilson in the 6th and Molinaro in the 7th. Wilson is gone. In 2005, we drafted McCune in the 5th, Newberry in the 6th, and Broughton in the 7th.
Where's the depth?
That's five starters coming out of three drafts, What the problem is?
My point there is they've been good at picking players imho
when they have the higher draft picks. So keep them!
All the teams you mentioned did it their way yet they will and their fans will be watching the big game tomorrow right alone with the rest of us.
Oh come on. Is it really Superbowl win or nothing for you? I mean, do you consider the Redskins 5-11 season the same as the Chargers season, just because the Chargers didn't win to the Superbowl?
PulpExposure wrote:If I forgot to mention, we're also one of the worst franchises in the NFL.
Actually there are 5 teams drafting in front of the Skins, this is because they had a worst year than the Skins
Which is why I said
one of the worst. I did not make the statement we're
the worst. There's a reason why we were in the position to draft Sean Taylor, Samuels, Arrington, Bailey, Rogers, and whomever this year.
By your own standard you'll have to come up with a team that has produced 5 starters (from the draft) in the last 3 years and rounds 4 through 7 can't be considered.
Rounds 5-7. I count round 4 since you still tend to get a lot of talent out of it. And I don't know if I'd count Rocky, since he only started what, 2 games? Let's call it 4 starters and 1 part time starter.
Okay, let's see, keeping it to rounds 1-4.
Let's try in our own division.
Giants: Generally a team that drafts decently.
In 2006, they drafted Kiwanuka, Moss, Gerris Wilkinson, Barry Cofield, and Guy Whimper. Kiwanuka started 9 games for them, Cofield started for them all year, Wilkinson started two games.
In 2005, they drafted Corey Webster (starter), Justin Tuck, and Brandon Jacobs in their top 4 picks. Webster starts, and Jacobs will start for Barber next year. In 2004, they drafted Eli Manning, Chris Snee, and Reggie Torbor. Manning and Snee start, and Torbor started 3 games at LB for them.
Out of their last 3 drafts rounds 1-4, they have 4 full time starters and 4 part time starters. But they also drafted future replacements for older players like Kiwanuka, Brandon Jacobs, Sinorice Moss, and Gerris Wilkerson.
Cowboys: I don't anticipate many starters, since Parcells is a veteran-friendly coach. Let's see:
In 2006, they drafted Carpenter, Fasano, Hatcher and Skylar Green. Out of that group, Carpenter started once, Fasano started 5 times, and Hatcher didn't start (but played DE in 14 games).
In 2005, they drafted Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Kevin Burnett, Marion Barber, and Chris Canty in the 1st-4th rounds. Right there, you have Ware, Spears, and Canty as starters, and both Burnett and Barber play a heck of a lot (Barber had 10 TDs this year).
In 2004, they drafted Julius Jones, Jacob Rogers, Stephan Peterman, and Bruce Thornton.
Looks like 4 starters, and 3 players with significant playing time. The 2004 draft looked like a total bust though...except for Julius Jones. That they wasted their draft makes me happy.
Eagles: This is where I anticipate a pretty high number. Let's see if that number bears out.
In 2006, the Eagles drafted Broderick Bunkley, Winston Justice, Chris Gocong, Max Jean-Giles, and Jason Avant. This was a draft for the future, as Bunkley didn't play much, and Justice and Jean-Giles are their replacements for LT and RG respectively. Avant played a little.
2005, the Eagles drafted Mike Patterson, Reggie Brown, Matt McCoy, Ryan Moats, Sean Considine, and Todd Herremans. Patterson, Herremans, Considine and Brown started all year, McCoy started 10 games. Moats sits on the bench iirc.
2004, the Eagles drafted Shawn Andrews, Matt Ware, JR Reed and Trey Darilek. Andrews made the ProBowl, rest aren't on the team afaik.
So, they got 6 starters, and a heck of a lot of depth from their latest draft (especially on the offensive line). And their second future DT if Bunkley ever lives up to his 1st round billing.
So, since i"m curious, I'll take a look at the Chargers.
In 2006, the Chargers drafted Cromartie, Marcus McNeill, and Charlie Whitehurst (now that's a wierd pick). McNeill starts for them, Cromartie got significant playing time.
In 2005, the Chargers got Merriman, Castillo, Vincent Jackson, and Darren Sproles. Merriman and Castillo start, Jackson plays quite a bit (27 catches and 6 TDs).
In 2004, the Chargers got Phillip Rivers, Olshansky, Nate Kaeding, Hardwick, and Shaun Phillips. All start.
So, they got 8 starters (including 5 probowl players...and Shaun Phillips didn't make it with 11.5 sacks), and 2 contributors.
Drafting like this allows you to build depth, and draft for the future (like the Eagles picking Justice to eventually replace William Thomas). Drafting like we do, means we take whomever can fit in our biggest hole...and then scrambling to fill our roster afterwards. If we still had our 2nd this year (or even our 3rd or 4th!), we could look at picking a DE and then maybe a corner, but now we're forced to go the free agent route for one of them and hope it works out.
No, YOU missed the point.
ey, and Manuel White. That's 5 starters, and only 1 bust. It seems like we have a pretty good return rate on draft picks, so you would think the Skins would try to draft as much as possible. But...