Trading down

[Irn-Bru]

Because the Redskins have so few picks in the first 3 rounds (just like every year, it seems), the chances are that a lot of people on the boards will be hoping to see the Redskins "trade down" to get lower picks in the draft. I, for one, would love to see us give up our 6th pick for a late first rounder and 2nd rounder, or maybe another 1st next year plus a 2nd and 3rd this year, etc. You get the picture. . .

. . .but there's no magic like that when it comes to trading picks. The Redskins have to find someone that WANTS our number 6 pick. And, as Kazoo pointed out in another thread, the moment your team is looking to trade down, they will lose value in the deal, since other teams will recognize that the Skins are willing to compromise value for more picks. When we're trying to make a deal with someone else, it puts us in a bad spot as far as negotiations go.

The best situation is like the one we found ourselves in 1999. New Orleans gave us a handful of valuable picks for '99 and in 2000 (including their 1st, which ended up being a #2 or #3 overall). . .all of this for us to move down 2 spots from #5 to #7. The result? Ditka got Ricky Williams, and we got Champ -- the man we were probably going to draft anyway.

My point is that as a franchise these deals fall into your lap. There's no such thing as a simple "trade down for more picks", as if our #6 this year can automatically equal 2 or 3 picks in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounds.

So my question whenever we talk about trading down is: WHO are we going to trade with, and WHY would they want to? Is there really a possibility that the Skins are going to get any value in trading down?

With what teams do you think we have a chance at trading #1's or trading our #1 for other picks, and what do you see happening?

[Justice Hog]

I just want a stud DE. Doesn't matter where we get em. I just want em.

[Mursilis]

With what teams do you think we have a chance at trading #1's or trading our #1 for other picks, and what do you see happening?

A good question, but a hard question to answer without having some sort of insider knowledge of various NFL front offices. We're all just speculating on what our front office would want for the #6 pick, or what other teams would be willing to offer. Of course, if we can fleece a team like San Diego fleeced the Giants in the Manning/Rivers trade, I'm all for that!

[Irn-Bru]

With what teams do you think we have a chance at trading #1's or trading our #1 for other picks, and what do you see happening?

A good question, but a hard question to answer without having some sort of insider knowledge of various NFL front offices. We're all just speculating on what our front office would want for the #6 pick, or what other teams would be willing to offer. Of course, if we can fleece a team like San Diego fleeced the Giants in the Manning/Rivers trade, I'm all for that!

I am all for screwing another team over in the draft like that.

[SkinsFreak]

I just want a stud DE. Doesn't matter where we get em. I just want em.

Word.

[1niksder]

With what teams do you think we have a chance at trading #1's or trading our #1 for other picks, and what do you see happening?

Trading down would have to take a lot of things into effect, like what happens in FA and who is on the board at #6. If we trade down can we still get the player we need, if not how much more value do we ask for to allow someone to move up?

Lets say that Petersenand /or Johnson are still available at #6 and the Skin want to remain in the first round.

If all the top defensive lineman are still on the board at #6 and we can scare Houston into thinking Minny wants Petersen we could swap picks and get their third rounder. The Vikings won’t draft DL but may go RB. At worst we could ask for Houston’s second rounder in 2008. If Houston doesn’t want to deal then we hit the minor leagues and our favorite trading partner (when it comes to players anyway). The Jets could use Peterson and they have the #25 pick and 2 second round picks #37 and #58. The 3 picks together total 1570 points, we would miss out on the top Defensive lineman in the draft but would pick up two day 1 picks. Green Bay is also a option at #16 to move up for Petersen, we still may be able to get a DL at #16 but the Packers would have to throw in both their second and third rounders for it to be equal to 1600 points.

If Calvin Johnson were to drop to #6 then New England and a truckload of other teams will be willing to move up. The Patriots have two #1s that should equal around 1400-1450 points, if they throw in a 3rd rounder or two they would have the WR they have been looking for. This is a long shot because NE isn’t known for making moves like this.

The ideal situation would be for Johnson and Petersen are there at #6 then we could make the Houston deal so they can get Petersen then call Green Bay and see if Johnson is worth the same deal.

In all these possibilities I went with even trades or had the Redskins on the short end of the point count. In the real world the Skins will want more than face value for the #6 pick

[Countertrey]

1niksder:

This is a long shot because NE isn’t known for making moves like this.

Yes, NE tends to be quite conservative in how they use draft picks... however, I believe you only have to go back to the pick that ended up in our getting Ramsey to realize that, NE WILL do deals with their first rounder to move up.

Will they? I have no idea... but I know that they have in the recent past.

[BnGhog]

Ok, so say we use #6 to take the best D player in the draft. He still will have to beat our starters for the spot. This would mean he would have learn our D. And it may be next year.

Say we take two later picks. Same thing would happen, and if our coaches do a good job teaching our D and teaching them the NFL, these two guys have just as good of a chance making an impact. In a while just like the #6 pick.

Who even know's if the #6 pick will work in our D. Some guys play great in one D but not great in another.

Take RW BL for example. He might can make the highlight reel catch, but can't make the easy short pass.

I think IF we could trade for two later pics and get good solid all around players, That would be best.

I know we need a sack machine and a pass block machine. Weather its a rookie or our current guys have better year or a FA. We Need B and G hog Machines!!

[HEROHAMO]

I dont think we should trade down. I say we trade B. Lloyd and Antwan Randle El to Tampa Bay for there fourth pick and either or a second and third round pick or third and fourth round pick. If they cant grant us the second or third or third or fourth round pick. I have special stipulations that they take most of Lloyd and Randle Els salary. With the fourth Pick I hope Calvin Johnson is available and I take him immidiatly. With our Sixth pick I take Jamal Anderson from Arkansas. Gaines is too small and will not help against the run. Jammal can make an immidiate impact.

[CPallDAY08]

There is no way in the world any team would trade a first round pick, let alone a top 10 pick for ARE and B.Lloyd.

A second rounder? Maybe...but unlikely.

[1niksder]

I dont think we should trade down. I say we trade B. Lloyd and Antwan Randle El to Tampa Bay for there fourth pick and either or a second and third round pick or third and fourth round pick. If they cant grant us the second or third or third or fourth round pick. I have special stipulations that they take most of Lloyd and Randle Els salary.

The CBA says their salary goes with them anyway.
You want to trade away two WR that will general wreck the salary cap for the next two years to move up 2 spaces? Now you don't have a third reciever, and wont be getting any additional picks

With the fourth Pick I hope Calvin Johnson is available and I take him immidiatly. With our Sixth pick I take Jamal Anderson from Arkansas. Gaines is too small and will not help against the run. Jammal can make an immidiate impact.

You hope Calvin is available? Why make your trade if he isn't?
We can take your #4 and give it to Atlanta for the #10, they also have the 74th pick in 2007 and a 3rd rounder in 2008 which would total 1850 points a fair trade and CJ could stay in Georgia. And the Skins can go back to being a team with only 1 WR.

[HEROHAMO]

There is no way in the world any team would trade a first round pick, let alone a top 10 pick for ARE and B.Lloyd.

A second rounder? Maybe...but unlikely.

Well u never know until u make the offer. Its unlikely but what I am saying is try all the possibilities that may result in favorable circumstances. All I am saying is for our GM to explore all the possibilities. TO just say hey there is no way a certain scenerio is going to work is stupid without even trying.

[HEROHAMO]

I dont think we should trade down. I say we trade B. Lloyd and Antwan Randle El to Tampa Bay for there fourth pick and either or a second and third round pick or third and fourth round pick. If they cant grant us the second or third or third or fourth round pick. I have special stipulations that they take most of Lloyd and Randle Els salary.

The CBA says their salary goes with them anyway.
You want to trade away two WR that will general wreck the salary cap for the next two years to move up 2 spaces? Now you don't have a third reciever, and wont be getting any additional picks

With the fourth Pick I hope Calvin Johnson is available and I take him immidiatly. With our Sixth pick I take Jamal Anderson from Arkansas. Gaines is too small and will not help against the run. Jammal can make an immidiate impact.

You hope Calvin is available? Why make your trade if he isn't?
We can take your #4 and give it to Atlanta for the #10, they also have the 74th pick in 2007 and a 3rd rounder in 2008 which would total 1850 points a fair trade and CJ could stay in Georgia. And the Skins can go back to being a team with only 1 WR.

The only receiver who produced last year was Moss. Randle El and Lloyd were no where to be found. In part to our poor quarterback play. Obviously I am not a GM but thats why our GM gets paid to work the numbers. U cant tell me that it would be impossible for us to work it out. I dont think we need three wideouts any way. I rather have two excellent recievers than ONe excellent one and two decent receivers. CJ. would put us over the top. And whos to say we dont aquire Defensive help in free agency or find a hidden gem in the latter rounds.

[1niksder]

The only receiver who produced last year was Moss. Randle El and Lloyd were no where to be found. In part to our poor quarterback play.

You admit the poor play was in part due to QB play, yet you want to trade two $30M contracts that aren't even a year old. And go back to having only one WR that has produced in the NFL at any point.

Obviously I am not a GM but thats why our GM gets paid to work the numbers.[/quoye]
You're right you aren't the GM but you are incorrect saying why our GM gets paid. "the Danny" loves to spend money but I doubt he is cutting a check for a GM he doesn't have

U cant tell me that it would be impossible for us to work it out. I dont think we need three wideouts any way. I rather have two excellent recievers than ONe excellent one and two decent receivers. CJ. would put us over the top. And whos to say we dont aquire Defensive help in free agency or find a hidden gem in the latter rounds.

We don't need 3 so you trade two to draft 1 with all the holes on this team

[HEROHAMO]

The only receiver who produced last year was Moss. Randle El and Lloyd were no where to be found. In part to our poor quarterback play.

You admit the poor play was in part due to QB play, yet you want to trade two $30M contracts that aren't even a year old. And go back to having only one WR that has produced in the NFL at any point.

Obviously I am not a GM but thats why our GM gets paid to work the numbers.[/quoye]
You're right you aren't the GM but you are incorrect saying why our GM gets paid. "the Danny" loves to spend money but I doubt he is cutting a check for a GM he doesn't have

U cant tell me that it would be impossible for us to work it out. I dont think we need three wideouts any way. I rather have two excellent recievers than ONe excellent one and two decent receivers. CJ. would put us over the top. And whos to say we dont aquire Defensive help in free agency or find a hidden gem in the latter rounds.

We don't need 3 so you trade two to draft 1 with all the holes on this team

Yes I would trade away those two for a player like C.J. he is that good. No I am not a Gm but neither are u.

[HEROHAMO]

The only receiver who produced last year was Moss. Randle El and Lloyd were no where to be found. In part to our poor quarterback play.

You admit the poor play was in part due to QB play, yet you want to trade two $30M contracts that aren't even a year old. And go back to having only one WR that has produced in the NFL at any point.

Obviously I am not a GM but thats why our GM gets paid to work the numbers.[/quoye]
You're right you aren't the GM but you are incorrect saying why our GM gets paid. "the Danny" loves to spend money but I doubt he is cutting a check for a GM he doesn't have

U cant tell me that it would be impossible for us to work it out. I dont think we need three wideouts any way. I rather have two excellent recievers than ONe excellent one and two decent receivers. CJ. would put us over the top. And whos to say we dont aquire Defensive help in free agency or find a hidden gem in the latter rounds.

We don't need 3 so you trade two to draft 1 with all the holes on this team

Yes I would trade away those two for a player like C.J. he is that good. No I am not a Gm but neither are u.

[UK Skins Fan]

I dont think we should trade down. I say we trade B. Lloyd and Antwan Randle El to Tampa Bay for there fourth pick and either or a second and third round pick or third and fourth round pick. If they cant grant us the second or third or third or fourth round pick. I have special stipulations that they take most of Lloyd and Randle Els salary. With the fourth Pick I hope Calvin Johnson is available and I take him immidiatly. With our Sixth pick I take Jamal Anderson from Arkansas. Gaines is too small and will not help against the run. Jammal can make an immidiate impact.

Have I just entered the twilight zone?

There is a salary cap.

This is not possible.

If it were possible, it would be insane.

I do like Jamal Anderson though.

[1niksder]

Yes I would trade away those two for a player like C.J. he is that good. No I am not a Gm but neither are u.

I we were GM I'd have my job a lot longer than you would

[1niksder]

Yes I would trade away those two for a player like C.J. he is that good. No I am not a Gm but neither are u.

Double post = double quote

The only why this would make sense would be if you were trading Moss and Porter to draft CJ, but we aren't the Faiders

[brad7686]

What we need to do is either trade down for a second rounder and take Willis in the first, then trade down in the second for a third rounder, and take Dan Bazuin in the second, and take david ball in the third

or

Trade Portis for a second and third and take J. Anderson, H.B. Blades/Willis if available in 2nd, David Ball

[1niksder]

Portis coming off mutiple injuries would get true value even if the team was dumb enough to consider it. He'd bring a low third at best and is worth more to the team than that.

[HEROHAMO]

Yes I would trade away those two for a player like C.J. he is that good. No I am not a Gm but neither are u.

I we were GM I'd have my job a lot longer than you would

If for some longshot reason we happen to draft C.J. then I think u would be eating ur words. So I will wait for the draft and if my scenerio by a longshot happens and we go playoffs I will bring this thread up every day. LOL

[Warmother]

I think if either Anderson or Adams is at #6 then you draft them. If both are gone and Peterson or Johnson is there, you trade down.

If the Skins could pick up New Englands 2 first rounders and a 3rd rounder for the right to draft Calvin Johnson you do it.

Johnson could become a great WR but we have other needs. Those 2 picks could possibly be Willis and DE Adam Carriker. The 3rd rounder could be a CB or oline depth.

[SkinsJock]

..If Calvin Johnson were to drop to #6 then New England and a truckload of other teams will be willing to move up. The Patriots have two #1s that should equal around 1400-1450 points, if they throw in a 3rd rounder or two they would have the WR they have been looking for. This is a long shot because NE isn’t known for making moves like this.

The ideal situation would be for Johnson and Petersen are there at #6 then we could make the Houston deal so they can get Petersen then call Green Bay and see if Johnson is worth the same deal.

In all these possibilities I went with even trades or had the Redskins on the short end of the point count. In the real world the Skins will want more than face value for the #6 pick

In another thread you brought up the fact that Samuel might be available - well his agent is stirring that pot and that could mean a lot of things to a team that does not like being treated like that! - would the addition of Samuel to those 2 x 1st rounders be intriguing enough - I know we would do it but would NE?

I really am more interested in helping the front 4 and the MLB positions, but, we also need secondary help too!

[Chris Luva Luva]

I dont trust this front office to trade down and have it been favorable for us, unless we find an equally incompentent group.

For this scenario to work, we need some high profile players to be available in the top 10 and some hungry teams that are willing to snatch them away from the rest of the crowd. If we could somehow trade down just a few spots and still be ale to get who we want, I'd be all for it.