Linebacker Coach Lindsay let go

fredp45 · Post by **fredp45** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:08 pm

The Skins let Lindsay go today...

I really thought the linebackers had a horrible year. They were a huge part of our bad defense.

Want to bet LeVar is saying -- "See, it wasn't me!!!"
Maybe it's why Pierce didn't sign with us.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:28 pm

Linebackers Coach Lindsey Will Not Return
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
January 16, 2007

The Redskins announced on Tuesday that linebackers coach Dale Lindsey has been released by the organization.

"We appreciate the work and effort Dale has given the organization over the past three seasons, but we have decided to move in a different direction with our linebackers," said head coach Joe Gibbs.

Lindsey has been in charge of the linebackers during the last three seasons and has spent a total of five years of his 29-year NFL career with the Redskins, including a two-year stint with the team in 1997-98.

Lindsey is a veteran coach who rejoined the Redskins in 2004. He had previously served as a defensive coordinator with the San Diego Chargers from 2002-03 and linebackers coach with the Chicago Bears from 1999-2001.

Under Lindsey, the Redskins' linebackers thrived in 2004-05, but the defense as a whole struggled last season. The unit finished the season ranked 31st in the NFL in yardage allowed.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=24382

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:42 pm

Well at least they realize that evaluation at the linebacker position sucks. We only accidentally discovered that Pierce was a stud...brining in Barrow was a bust....and Pierce was lucky he got a chance. Letting him go without a viable replacement in the middle (i.e. not having to move a former safety and WLB to the middle) was also an act of retardedness.

Moving up in the draft to get a guy who can't start over Holdman is a blunder. And looking at the film of Holdman every week for 2 years and not realizing he sucks is a blunder as well.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:06 pm

Next should be Steve Jackson and Jerry Gray.

but we have decided to move in a different direction with our linebackers," said head coach Joe Gibbs.

I hope he decides to move in a different direction with the secondary as well.

Skins2daGrave · Post by **Skins2daGrave** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:08 pm

wait, isnt he the one that said "he diddnt know it anyway" when the reporters were asking him about Lavarr having the defensive plays with him when he left or something like that?

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:05 am

About time that he got the boot.

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:50 am

I'm glad the team is finally beginning to show some accountability among the coaching staff. After a 5-11 season, and a 31st ranked defense, someone (better yet, several someones) need to be fired.

Skin Diesel · Post by **Skin Diesel** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:43 am

The Hogster wrote:Well at least they realize that evaluation at the linebacker position sucks. We only accidentally discovered that Pierce was a stud...brining in Barrow was a bust....and Pierce was lucky he got a chance. Letting him go without a viable replacement in the middle (i.e. not having to move a former safety and WLB to the middle) was also an act of retardedness.

Moving up in the draft to get a guy who can't start over Holdman is a blunder. And looking at the film of Holdman every week for 2 years and not realizing he sucks is a blunder as well.

Lindsey had nothing to do with any of those personnel decisions.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:30 pm

this was a smart move, this guy has no people skills and is a bad coach also.

roybus14 · Post by **roybus14** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:31 pm

Maybe this is the first start of change at Redskins Park......

I hope that they find a qualified replacement to get this corp up to snuff.

IMO, they need to trim some more fat off the coaching staff. What exactly do Don Breaux and Jack Burns do? We really don't need all of these coaches. Just one coach per position (OL, DL, LB, QB, RB, TE, WR, DB, ST, QC-O, QC-D, ST&C) and then the HC, OC, and DC. Then a assistant ST&C coach and maybe an assistant ST coach. Make all of these guys directly responsible for their position only and get them on the same page. Not all of these cooks in the kitchen like we had last year....

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:12 pm

I didn't see this coming. The linebackers didn't have a great year (actually, they struggled to achieve mediocre), but it seems to me that the biggest coaching issue that we have is in the secondary, and the biggest weaknesses that we have are pass rush and coverage. Neither of these can be pinned squarely on Lindsay's shoulders. You may not like him, but the guy has a track record that suggests he has been one of the better linebacker coaches in the league.

Perhaps this is more personal than anything else, and Gibbs decided that he just can't work with him.

If you look at the defensive problems this year though, a secondary coach needs to be shown the door as well.

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:13 pm

fredp45 wrote:The Skins let Lindsay go today...

I really thought the linebackers had a horrible year. They were a huge part of our bad defense.

Want to bet LeVar is saying -- "See, it wasn't me!!!"
Maybe it's why Pierce didn't sign with us.

Who cares what LaVar says. He took the Redskins to court and the guy will never be the same after the injury he had and the MANY other injuries he has had

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:02 pm

So we gave Gregg Williams Head Coach $ to be our D coordinator

And look what has happened to our Defense, as soon as gregg got paid we got bad. 1 more season like this one and it's sianara to his head coaching aspirations.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:29 pm

Did Joe Gibbs fire the guy? If so, I believe that this would mark his first ever firing.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:07 pm

http://redskins.com/team/coachingstaff. ... DAJEPIKODH

Kirk Olivadotti has replaced him.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:32 pm

Jake wrote:http://redskins.com/team/coachingstaff.jsp;jsessionid=MEDAJEPIKODH

Kirk Olivadotti has replaced him.

Will he get the benefit of his father's experience? :hmm:

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:40 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:So we gave Gregg Williams Head Coach $ to be our D coordinator

And look what has happened to our Defense, as soon as gregg got paid we got bad. 1 more season like this one and it's sianara to his head coaching aspirations.

Thats what I was thinking. There alot of players where you give them the top dollar and then you never hear from them, now its starting with coaches. They get the green and then they never perform.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:21 pm

UK Skins Fan wrote:I didn't see this coming. The linebackers didn't have a great year (actually, they struggled to achieve mediocre), but it seems to me that the biggest coaching issue that we have is in the secondary, and the biggest weaknesses that we have are pass rush and coverage. Neither of these can be pinned squarely on Lindsay's shoulders. You may not like him, but the guy has a track record that suggests he has been one of the better linebacker coaches in the league.

Perhaps this is more personal than anything else, and Gibbs decided that he just can't work with him.

If you look at the defensive problems this year though, a secondary coach needs to be shown the door as well.

I think it's wait and see with the secondary coaches, Gray is up for a DC job in the in Div 1 and that alone would eliminate the dual coaches issue. I'm sure there is a upgrade to Jackson but then you looking at another new face on the staff. Promoting Kirk Olivadotti was a good move IMO if only because it made the coaching staff smaller.

Gibbs4Life wrote:So we gave Gregg Williams Head Coach $ to be our D coordinator

And look what has happened to our Defense, as soon as gregg got paid we got bad. 1 more season like this one and it's sianara to his head coaching aspirations.

GW came in making head coach money. If that is the case you'll be happy to know he is no longer the highest paid DC in the NFL so he may have something to prove

Jake wrote:http://redskins.com/team/coachingstaff.jsp;jsessionid=MEDAJEPIKODH

Kirk Olivadotti has replaced him.

He's got to be the only guy on staff that has been here for "the Danny's" full ride.

roybus14 · Post by **roybus14** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:12 pm

UK Skins Fan wrote:I didn't see this coming. The linebackers didn't have a great year (actually, they struggled to achieve mediocre), but it seems to me that the biggest coaching issue that we have is in the secondary, and the biggest weaknesses that we have are pass rush and coverage. Neither of these can be pinned squarely on Lindsay's shoulders. You may not like him, but the guy has a track record that suggests he has been one of the better linebacker coaches in the league.

Perhaps this is more personal than anything else, and Gibbs decided that he just can't work with him.

If you look at the defensive problems this year though, a secondary coach needs to be shown the door as well.

I agree with you on the secondary coaching and someone there needs to go but I disagree on Lindsay. He needed to go. From his attitude down to the fact that we have watched for two years straight the WLB (Holdman) position be an achilles heel on this defense. Holdman did not make plays, period. So why was he out there and why couldn't Lindsay get more out of him?? And Marshall fell off this year as well.

Part of being a good coach is knowing when and how to motivate players. Apparently, his 'gruff' nature finally caught up to him here and the players tuned him out. This is not the "ol skool" NFL where you could get away with coaching like Bobby Knight does in Basketball, yelling and screaming at players every 2 minutes. Now, you do too much yelling and screaming and players will tune you out and you will be gone before they will.

I just find it very hard to believe that this defense has fallen as far as it has because of lack of talent. This league is very hard to get into and you have to have talent to play in it. Because any given Sunday you can be beat by anybody...

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:42 pm

Well, I did say "has been" one of the better linebacker coaches in the league - very careful not to use the present tense. The linebackers have deteriorated much like the rest of the D - I just don't see that Lindsay should be a scapegoat. But I don't know what's going on inside the club, and it may just be that his removal is like the lancing of a boil. Messy and unpleasant, but should see positive results sonner rather than later.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:26 pm

UK Skins Fan wrote:Well, I did say "has been" one of the better linebacker coaches in the league - very careful not to use the present tense. The linebackers have deteriorated much like the rest of the D - I just don't see that Lindsay should be a scapegoat. But I don't know what's going on inside the club, and it may just be that his removal is like the lancing of a boil. Messy and unpleasant, but should see positive results sonner rather than later.

Lindsey was on his way out when he got into a media feud with Lavar last year, Lavar brought his way out and all was good.... until we played the Gints and someone with a Mic asked Lindsey what he thought about playing the Gints with LA in NY. Lindsey didn't give the standard Gibbs line he said "Lavar didn't know nothing when he was here why should he expect him to know anything now" or something along those lines. The new LB coach has been with the team forever if they wanted to throw him a bone it wouldn't have Lindsey's job if Lindsey could have stayed away from the reporters.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:33 pm

IMO Washington is the only solid backer we have. Getting some new blood in free agency or trades (our only avenues since we have so few picks) would be great. Having a coach who can get the most of them is greater.

fredp45 · Post by **fredp45** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:25 pm

SKinsfan55 --

I'd put it this way -- Washington is the only LB we're sure is good enough to play for us at the position they played in 06...

I think it's too early, and unfair, to say Rocky isn't the answer on the outside, replacing Holdman. Maybe I'm just hoping that he's the answer there so all we need to get is a MLB.

Marshall and Holdman did NOT get the job done this past year. It was like we didn't have 2 guys on the field. However, I think Marshall might be okay at the OLB position. Maybe Marshall takes Holdman's spot for the short term, until Rocky is ready (or when Wms is ready to let Rocky play).

BnGhog · Post by **BnGhog** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:10 pm

I actually like both Marshall and Washington. Might be because we heard both their names a lot more (along with AP) last season. They did a great job then. Maybe the LB coach was a lot of the problem. Maybe the LBs had enough of him and didn't play as hard.

ALSO
UK Skins Fan wrote:
"If you look at the defensive problems this year though, a secondary coach needs to be shown the door as well."

It is after all a Team sport. If line isn't getting pressure you have to bring LBs on blitz. Lineman can't always get pressure every play. Not even the best of the best. So then you bring LBs. And if they still don't get pressure, What happens?

All of this is to help the secondary. Any QB with enough time can find the seam and any WR can get open at some point, this is the pros.

Im thinking He might have been a lot of the problem.

One more thing. A lot of you guys saying draft a MLB. We for sure need one but think about that for a minute. He is the play caller for the D. A rookie MLB is a lot like a QB. Most of the time they need at least a year under the belt to get good. Which means with a rookie MLB It might take another year to have a good MLB, meaning another year for a good D. I think FA for a MLB.

According to washingtonpost

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00925.html

""All-pro linebacker Adalius Thomas, dressed in a brown sweat suit, said goodbye to wide receiver Derrick Mason after briefly stopping by his locker. Thomas will become an unrestricted free agent unless he signs a new contract with the Ravens before the start of free agency on March 2 or the team designates him its franchise player by the Feb. 22 deadline. Saturday's loss to the Colts might have been his last game with the Ravens.""

Adalius Thomas might be the guy we should look at. They did have the best D this year.

I know it long but this was my first post.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:33 pm

BnGhog wrote:I know it long but this was my first post.

Welcome to the boards Nice first post, don't forget to check out the main site

I agree with getting AD and switching him to MLB, he did a pretty good job filling in for Lewis when he was out and you never heard him complain that he needed a big DT to keep the O-linemen off him

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