Did Snyder Screw Lavar

SonnyRules · Post by **SonnyRules** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:50 am

Anyone read today's washington post? Lavar is very honest in an article, claiming "I know what the Redskins did to me," and "I learned never to trust the Redskins front office."

I've never been Snyder's biggest fan, but I can't at all understand why he would try to cheat Arrington out of money by knowingly restructuring a contract the way Arrington and Poston claim he did. How could you do something like that and think you won't be caught? It makes no sense to me.

Someone's made a big mistake here, either the agent or Snyder. But one thing that's mentioned in the article is very telling. Arrington claims he hasn't spoken to Snyder since February. If I were Snyder, even if the accusations are false, I would do everything I could to smooth over the situation, to talk to Arrington and explain my position and to maybe work out a compromise. Letting this fester is just going to make things worse all around, Joe Gibbs or no Joe Gibbs. Why can't they just amend the contract and be done with it?

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:58 am

And what happens if the Poston's misunderstood, or worse yet, tried to inflate the numbers to make LA happy or themselves happier?

Do you really think that Snyder should then just pony up the bucks for a dishonest reason? I don't.

I would be in touch with LA, but what happens if LA isn't answering his phone, or if the legal staff has told Snyder to keep his hands off since this is now in greivance mode?

I think there are more sides to this than just Snyder screwed Lavar. He hasn't been unwilling to pay out the bucks prior to this and has been LA's admitted friend.

I just wish everyone would quit buying into the sensationalistic media stories trying to smear Snyder and divide the fans. Keep in mind that a lot of these people have a personal grudge or vendetta against him and that is sure to leak out in a story such as this.

I haven't trusted the paper in my area in years - they almost always misreport or taint their stories, several that I have knowledge of were totally misrepresented to increase circulation.

The NFL isn't the modern day bread and circuses - the media is.

ike075 · Post by **ike075** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:10 am

I don’t know if we can just jump to blame Snyder here. I am a fan of Snyder and I like his constant attempts to make this club better whether he is making the right moves or not. He at least gives me something to be excited for the next year even if it doesn’t pan out. However putting that aside Arrington said he had a closer relationship to Snyder than most Redskins players and he said Snyder did not directly negotiate the contract but was present the day the contract was signed. Yeah so was his agent who screwed up. There are things that can be argued Snyder does wrong however misleading on salary and skimping on contracts especially a player like Lavar I don’t think we can blame on him. The only thing I would like him to do now and we can blame on him if he doesn’t is to step up and work something out with Lavar and make everything all better.

SonnyRules · Post by **SonnyRules** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:15 am

Yes, I agree totally about the media, and my point in the first message was that I don't believe Snyder willingly screwed Lavar, because I just don't think he's that stupid. It just makes absolutely no sense to do that to someone you view as your franchise player, and to do it in a way that would be so easily spotted. Snyder hasn't gotten as far as he has by being that stupid from a business standpoint. His people skills seem to be lacking, from what I've gathered over the years, but not his business sense.

If he's in the right here, he definitely shouldn't ante up the money just to appease Lavar. But if there is a legitimate misunderstanding that took place on both sides, then I do believe he should amend the contract in a way that will satisfy Lavar and won't hurt the team. The only way to find out if that's the case is for the parties involved to get together and honestly hash these things out to find out what went wrong and who's responsible.

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:16 am

True - and what LA isn't saying, nor did the "reporter" comment or research on apparently is the fact of whether there were any ongoing negotiations or attempts to solve it. Just the one blurb about Gene hoping to have a resolution in place before the grievance hearing.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:31 pm

Whatever the case is, this is a messed up story. If Snyder has really been as friendly with LaVar as the article describes (which is totally inappropriate in my opinion in the first place), he should owe it to a friend to speak with him and clear this up quickly. This whole situation is B.S.

skins75 · Post by **skins75** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:48 pm

This whole story has more holes in it than swiss cheese. The way that Lavar claims the contract was laid out makes no sense. There already is a bonus included in his contract in 2006 and why would we make it where we have to restructure his contract again in 2 years? It just makes no sense. The bad thing is no matter who is to blame it is unnecessary drama that seems to accompany us every year.

oafusp · Post by **oafusp** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:04 pm

I bet that Lavar and Snyder came up with a scheme while they were playing chess last winter.

They decided to restructure Lavar's contract in December so they could use 2003 cap money on Lavar and free up more room for 2004 free agency....

Then, Lavar would dispute the contract, and Snyder and him would restructure his contract again AFTER the Skins got their free agents in March 2004.

They are friends, and this was a scam. Snyder has found yet another loop hole in the salary cap!!!

SkinsHead56 · Post by **SkinsHead56** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:09 pm

I my humble opinion, when disputes arise, the person who is wrong usually bangs on the pans the loudest. The one who is right is content to sit back and let the truth come out.

Who is who in this case? :-k

GibbSkins · Post by **GibbSkins** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:01 pm

oafusp wrote:I bet that Lavar and Snyder came up with a scheme while they were playing chess last winter.

They decided to restructure Lavar's contract in December so they could use 2003 cap money on Lavar and free up more room for 2004 free agency....

Then, Lavar would dispute the contract, and Snyder and him would restructure his contract again AFTER the Skins got their free agents in March 2004.

They are friends, and this was a scam. Snyder has found yet another loop hole in the salary cap!!!

pass me what your drinking....i think u might have hit the nail on the head....drinking beer does make you smart ...it made bud-wizer

cjpck44 · Post by **cjpck44** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:24 pm

Has anyone here been divorced? If you have, then you know that you and your spouse may be good friends, BUT once the lawyers get in the way and talk to you about how YOU need this, and how YOU'RE missing that, the divorce can get quite bloody. (My apologies for any decent lawyer reading this).

My point is this. The Postons, are talking to Lavar and telling him how bad he's been wronged by the team. The worst thing that could happen to the Postons is for Lavar to keep his current contract. A whole new contract is another 3 to 6 percent more for them.

Lavar needs someone to tell him to get a grip and get away from the people who are lying to him. His whole side does not make the least bit of sense. His whole portrayal of where his money is missing doesn't make the least bit of sense. He's said that he did his contract to be a life-long Redskin, what Football player in the league would be able to stay with their team for 18 million in a year?

I hate to see a great athlete get ruined by something such as this. If anyone can talk to Lavar tell him that nonr of his fans are buying it.

cjpck44 · Post by **cjpck44** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:25 pm

By the way, I check this site out from time to time. It's got some good numbers on the contract issue (a week or two ago). HOWEVER, read this site with a grain of salt because some of what they put out is out there.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

SirSmizzy · Post by **SirSmizzy** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 3:02 pm

You can debate it for ever if you want....The damage is already done....If lavar is the man of his word you all claim he was untill this fiasco...then he's gone...this will surely push him out the door.

He will play out his contract then walk.

VRIEL1 · Post by **VRIEL1** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 3:56 pm

SonnyRules wrote:Anyone read today's washington post? Lavar is very honest in an article, claiming "I know what the Redskins did to me," and "I learned never to trust the Redskins front office."

I've never been Snyder's biggest fan, but I can't at all understand why he would try to cheat Arrington out of money by knowingly restructuring a contract the way Arrington and Poston claim he did. How could you do something like that and think you won't be caught? It makes no sense to me.

Someone's made a big mistake here, either the agent or Snyder. But one thing that's mentioned in the article is very telling. Arrington claims he hasn't spoken to Snyder since February. If I were Snyder, even if the accusations are false, I would do everything I could to smooth over the situation, to talk to Arrington and explain my position and to maybe work out a compromise. Letting this fester is just going to make things worse all around, Joe Gibbs or no Joe Gibbs. Why can't they just amend the contract and be done with it?

Imagine being an owner and you have talks with a player over salary. You come to an agreement. All parties sign this agreement making it a contract. Then out of the blue, a month later, this same player starts talking to the media saying that you shorted him money. I bet the owner feels that he and Arrington had a special relationship also...not one were you try to screw someone out of more money after you sign an agreement or take it to the media. As an owner I would at least bring ALL parties together to discuss the contract. This cuts out all the "It's not my fault" and put in all out on the table. Now if there was an agreement and Snyder snuck one by shame on him and Lavar...you learned a big lesson....don't trust anyone when it comes to your money.

VRIEL1 · Post by **VRIEL1** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:09 pm

skins75 wrote:This whole story has more holes in it than swiss cheese. The way that Lavar claims the contract was laid out makes no sense. There already is a bonus included in his contract in 2006 and why would we make it where we have to restructure his contract again in 2 years? It just makes no sense. The bad thing is no matter who is to blame it is unnecessary drama that seems to accompany us every year.

Your right about restructuring the contract in two yrs. why?. However I have heard that Snyder is counting on the teams to take money from sponsers to help pay player contracts or a portion of it which would put the Redskins back in good shape with the league and it's salary cap. I doubt anyone who was willing to fork over so much money anyway and also bring in other players at high prices would have found a way to cheat your FRANCHISE player so he would be mad at you and lose a friendship. Snyder is young and I see him as somewhat immature in some aspects but he is very business savy. HE'S NOT STUPID!

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:20 pm

In a related story, Fred Smoot just fired the Poston's. He says its not related, but....

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:07 pm

Why, Smizzy. You sound delighted.
Don't get all defensive if somebody goes nuts on your post. You threw out the "Welcome" mat on that one.
You should have started a new thread for that, because now this one is gonna get all unravelled.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:10 pm

JansenFan wrote:In a related story, Fred Smoot just fired the Poston's. He says its not related, but....

You've been scooped, bud.

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3366

SirSmizzy · Post by **SirSmizzy** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 8:30 pm

tcwest10 wrote:Why, Smizzy. You sound delighted.
Don't get all defensive if somebody goes nuts on your post. You threw out the "Welcome" mat on that one.
You should have started a new thread for that, because now this one is gonna get all unravelled.

I have a way of doind that don't I?

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 8:33 pm

Oh, you didn't know ? You're the King of Unravel.

SirSmizzy · Post by **SirSmizzy** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:37 pm

Sorry.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:15 pm

There you go, apologizing again. You must be in a good mood, or you'd be comin' after me for that. Could it be the new Woody Johnson&Johnson Presents: "BandAid" Stadium they're going to build on top of the Javits Center ? Finally, NYC will have it's own NFL team.
Congrats, Smizzy.

SirSmizzy · Post by **SirSmizzy** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:19 am

If you could only understand what i feels like to play in "Giants staduim"....now we are getting one and this one is going to be awesome.

I can't wait.

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