could this be an idea?

[madman]

with all the speculation of cower retiring or leaving after this year,maybe after a year off and taking it easy he gets that urge again and we make an offer to him.i think it would be great and maybe bring a nastiness to this team that we need so bad.

also does anybody else think that maybe williams taking a head coaching job in the offseason might not be a bad thing for this team ? just getting some thought from fellow fans.

[Redskins Rule]

with all the speculation of cower retiring or leaving after this year,maybe after a year off and taking it easy he gets that urge again and we make an offer to him.i think it would be great and maybe bring a nastiness to this team that we need so bad.

also does anybody else think that maybe williams taking a head coaching job in the offseason might not be a bad thing for this team ? just getting some thought from fellow fans.

Why would we bring in Cowher when we have a hall of famer running this team? And letting Williams go after ONE bad year where most of his starters were hurt is dumb! Give this guy a chance to succeed here first before we dump him!

[madman]

I LOVE GIBBS AS MUCH AS THE NEXT.MY THINKING IF GIBBS WAS TO STEP DOWN OR RETIRE AFTER NEXT SEASON.I THINK ITS SAFE TO SAY COWHER WILL BE A HALL OF FAME COACH TOO.

AS FOR WILLIAMS, IT SEEMS TO ME FROM WHAT IS BEING SAID THAT IT MIGHT BE TIME FOR A CHANGE THERE.IM NOT BASHING WILLIAMS AT ALL JUST GETTING SOME THOUGHTS FROM PEOPLE NOT STIRRING THE POT.

[Chris Luva Luva]

So ONE off year out of 3 years warrants a firing?

Again, I dont believe our coaches are being placed in the best position to win but thats just my opinon.

[Mursilis]

Gibbs has already said he's coming back next year, and Snyder has given absolutely no indication he's looking to fire Gibbs in the offseason (which would be a marketing disaster, and Snyder is smart enough not to kill his golden goose), so why are we even having these discussions? Barring death or similar calamity, Joe Gibbs will be the coach of the 2007 Washington Redskins.

[madman]

AGIAN IM NOT SAYING HE SHOULD BE FIRED.I WAS SIMPLY ASKING A QUESTION AND GETTING SOME THOUGHTS. DIDNT THE COACHES GO OUT AND GET THESE PLAYERS THAT THEY ARE COACHING.IM NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY ARE PUT IN A BAD SITUATION.WE GO OUT AND SPEND MORE MONEY THAN ANY TEAM ,AND REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.MAYBE ITS THE COACHES THAT NEED TO LOOK AROUND AT THE PLAYERS THEY BRING IN AND START SCOUTING BETTER TALENT.

[Fios]

TURN CAPS LOCK OFF ... please

[madman]

SORRY MY CAPS WERE ON. WILL TRY BETTER NEXT TIME

[Chris Luva Luva]

AGIAN IM NOT SAYING HE SHOULD BE FIRED.I WAS SIMPLY ASKING A QUESTION AND GETTING SOME THOUGHTS. DIDNT THE COACHES GO OUT AND GET THESE PLAYERS THAT THEY ARE COACHING.IM NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY ARE PUT IN A BAD SITUATION.WE GO OUT AND SPEND MORE MONEY THAN ANY TEAM ,AND REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.MAYBE ITS THE COACHES THAT NEED TO LOOK AROUND AT THE PLAYERS THEY BRING IN AND START SCOUTING BETTER TALENT.

I believe that a GM should be making the acquisitions with input from the coaches. But that will never happen. Gibbs believes in this F/A philosophy that started when Danny took over. Danny won't do it unless Gibbs wants it and vice versa. I doubt that a GM will be given the control he needs to make final decisions even if they hire one.

Id love to be proven wrong.

[Fios]

And, to answer the question posted in the thread title, yes, this could be an idea

[BernieSki]

I also agree that the Redskins need a GM with teeth. The GM can not answer to Viney or Joe he has to be given the power to make all personnel decisions, including negotiating salaries and making trades. Two names come to mind Ron Wolf and Charlie Casserly. Of course he should consult with the coaches on what players are needed but the GM needs to be able to make the final decisions.

[SkinzCanes]

If I'm understading the original post correctly, he is saying that Cowher would make sense for the 2008 season if Gibbs retires after 4 years. If Gibbs retires and Cowher is availbe then yes it would make sense and be a good idea. Williams has done nothing to show that he is head coaching material while Cowher is a future Hall of Famer.

[DaSkins24]

I wouldnt mind seeing Cowher coach the team. We need a coach who has had some sustained success this century.

[roybus14]

I also agree that the Redskins need a GM with teeth. The GM can not answer to Viney or Joe he has to be given the power to make all personnel decisions, including negotiating salaries and making trades. Two names come to mind Ron Wolf and Charlie Casserly. Of course he should consult with the coaches on what players are needed but the GM needs to be able to make the final decisions.

My understanding is that Wolf has been living in Annapolis since he left the Packers after their Super Bowl runs. Right under our noses the whole time. The rumor on Casserly was that he was "coerced" into the Mario Wiliams drafting by the owner and that was part of the reason he left. I think both would be good but like you said, they have to have teeth.

As far as what happens after Gibbs leaves, I think that you need to get that "saber-toothed" GM in here first. This guy, whoever it is, needs to have the "teeth" to reel guys in like Williams with his ego. It just makes no sense at all why this team let "core guys" go, that they developed on defense only to sign more expensive guys from other systems. A "saber-toothed" GM would not have let that happen. Especially if these guys were pretty good in this defense and were cheap. Clark only wanted what Bowen got and that's $3 million less than AA's signing bonus...

[old-timer]

So ONE off year out of 3 years warrants a firing?

Again, I dont believe our coaches are being placed in the best position to win but thats just my opinon.

It hasn't been just one bad year. It's the trend. 1st year, top ten. Second year, middle of the pack. Third year, bottom of the barrel. Do we honestly have any good reason to think that next year will be any better? Who's going to take over for Shawn Springs? Who is going to rush the passer next year? Who's our starting safety opposite Taylor next year? Who is going to be our BACKUP in the secondary? Mike Rumph and Kenny Wright AGAIN????? Bombs away, my friend!!!! I'm afraid we're in for more hard times with or without some kind of radical overhaul of our player selection process.

In his first year, Williams was using other people's player picks. Every year, it becomes more and more his defense, and every year it becomes worse. We have at least four starters who are disasters - Archuleta, Kenny Wright, Warrick Holdman, and Andre Carter. All Williams' guys. We've even used guys like Mike Rumph who can't even make the worst teams in the league. In exchange, we have lost Smoot, Arrington, Pierce, Bailey, and other good players who are now on other teams. The future looks HORRIBLE with little developing young talent (Golston and MacIntosh notwithstanding). We have STARTERS that would not even be PLAYING in this league if not for our personnel problems (Vernon Fox, Troy Vincent).

Williams may be a good coach, but his role as part-time GM needs to be handed to someone who knows what they're doing.

[SkinzCanes]

It hasn't been just one bad year. It's the trend. 1st year, top ten. Second year, middle of the pack. Third year, bottom of the barrel. Do we honestly have any good reason to think that next year will be any better? Who's going to take over for Shawn Springs? Who is going to rush the passer next year? Who's our starting safety opposite Taylor next year? Who is going to be our BACKUP in the secondary? Mike Rumph and Kenny Wright AGAIN????? Bombs away, my friend!!!! I'm afraid we're in for more hard times with or without some kind of radical overhaul of our player selection process.

In his first year, Williams was using other people's player picks. Every year, it becomes more and more his defense, and every year it becomes worse. We have at least four starters who are disasters - Archuleta, Kenny Wright, Warrick Holdman, and Andre Carter. All Williams' guys. We've even used guys like Mike Rumph who can't even make the worst teams in the league. In exchange, we have lost Smoot, Arrington, Pierce, Bailey, and other good players who are now on other teams. The future looks HORRIBLE with little developing young talent (Golston and MacIntosh notwithstanding). We have STARTERS that would not even be PLAYING in this league if not for our personnel problems (Vernon Fox, Troy Vincent).

Williams may be a good coach, but his role as part-time GM needs to be handed to someone who knows what they're doing.

You make some very interesting points. While the offense has struggled the last few seasons, it does look like they are finally starting to get on track. There is a lot of young talent on that side of the ball. The offense looks promising for next season. The defense, like you say, is a disaster. There are holes all over our starting defensive unit for next season.

Dline: Griffin and Golston are both solid and Golston is going to get better. There is no depth there though. Griffin has had some injury problems so depth at d tackle needs to be addressed. Our defensive ends are mediocre. Daniels, while tough and a hard worker, cant get to the qb and is only getting older. Carter has shown signs of improvement but even at the level that he is playing at now he is not even coming close to getting the job done. We need to find a defensive end that can consistantly rush the passer. Until our line can consistantly rish the passer we will struggle on defense. My suggestion: draft Gaines Adams. I'm also not a big fan of bringing in big name free agents but if you're going to do it you might as well get one of the best at his position: Dwight Freeney.

Linebacker: Big problems at this position. Marshall is not a MLB and needs to be moved to the outside. This creates a problem because our top draft pick from last season (Macinstosh) also isn't suited for the middle and needs to be playing on the outside. Holdman needs to be cut. Washington is still solid but he needs to step his game up next season. He has not been an impact player this season. My suggestion: Sign London Fletcher to short term deal to play in the middle since GW hates starting rookies. Draft either Buster Davis (FSU) or Patrick Willis (Mississippi) to eventually take over at MLB.

Secondary: Big problems here too. For starters, Sean Springs, as good as he is, is getting older and is a big health risk. Rogers had a terrible year this year so this position needs to be focused on heavily in the offseason. My suggestion: Bring in another starting caliber corner to challenge Rogers for a starting spot. This would greatly help depth in case Springs gets hurt since Rogers clearly isn't capable of being a #1 at this point. Use a later round draft pick to draft for depth at cb. The safety position should be ok. Taylor, despite some struggles this season, is a stud and hopefully firing Jackson will help him out. To start opposite him we have Prioleau (hopefully healthy). Fox, depending, on how he plays could be an option as well. As for AA, I have no idea what they are going to do with him. Not sure what the cap hit would be if we cut him, but I can't see him staying here considering the fact that he can't even get on the field.

[1niksder]

You make some very interesting points. While the offense has struggled the last few seasons, it does look like they are finally starting to get on track. There is a lot of young talent on that side of the ball. The offense looks promising for next season. The defense, like you say, is a disaster. There are holes all over our starting defensive unit for next season.

This is how the SKins have went into the off-season the last 2 years, only the reverse. Offense a train wreck waiting to happen while the D gave us our only hope. Wierd ain't it

Dline: Griffin and Golston are both solid and Golston is going to get better. There is no depth there though. Griffin has had some injury problems so depth at d tackle needs to be addressed. Our defensive ends are mediocre. Daniels, while tough and a hard worker, cant get to the qb and is only getting older. Carter has shown signs of improvement but even at the level that he is playing at now he is not even coming close to getting the job done. We need to find a defensive end that can consistantly rush the passer. Until our line can consistantly rish the passer we will struggle on defense. My suggestion: draft Gaines Adams. I'm also not a big fan of bringing in big name free agents but if you're going to do it you might as well get one of the best at his position: Dwight Freeney.

The D-Tackles were beat up this year Big Joe and Griff have had nagging injuries thoughout the year, and Golston (and Mongomery to a lesser extent) were pleasent surprises, Hopefully all four will be back. We've got age at the End spot to go along with low productivity Freeney wouldn't be bad but I'd like a DE that can also stop the run

Linebacker: Big problems at this position. Marshall is not a MLB and needs to be moved to the outside. This creates a problem because our top draft pick from last season (Macinstosh) also isn't suited for the middle and needs to be playing on the outside. Holdman needs to be cut. Washington is still solid but he needs to step his game up next season. He has not been an impact player this season. My suggestion: Sign London Fletcher to short term deal to play in the middle since GW hates starting rookies. Draft either Buster Davis (FSU) or Patrick Willis (Mississippi) to eventually take over at MLB.

Marshall could move to the weakside and then we only need a MLB and depth. But if we are going to throw money at someone it should be someone young but proven I like Adalius Thomas and I think he can inside and out.

Secondary: Big problems here too. For starters, Sean Springs, as good as he is, is getting older and is a big health risk. Rogers had a terrible year this year so this position needs to be focused on heavily in the offseason. My suggestion: Bring in another starting caliber corner to challenge Rogers for a starting spot. This would greatly help depth in case Springs gets hurt since Rogers clearly isn't capable of being a #1 at this point. Use a later round draft pick to draft for depth at cb. The safety position should be ok. Taylor, despite some struggles this season, is a stud and hopefully firing Jackson will help him out. To start opposite him we have Prioleau (hopefully healthy). Fox, depending, on how he plays could be an option as well. As for AA, I have no idea what they are going to do with him. Not sure what the cap hit would be if we cut him, but I can't see him staying here considering the fact that he can't even get on the field.

Not only has Springs become injury prone but he has a huge cap number coming up next year, throw in his age and I don't know if we see him in B&G in 2007 (a restructure of his contract and a move to saftey might work) Bringing in 2 starting caliber corner to challenge Rogers might work even if he's beaten out we'd still want our nickle corner to be able to catch though. I also think we are find at corner.

Around this time last year it became apparent that another WR would be needed to get the offense going, the Redskins went right out and got two but changed the offense at the same time... did theyover do it? It seems ready to click but it is Week 15.

Only problem I see with the coaching staff on the D side of the ball in the secondary, it's not the Gray/Jackson thing that gets me.
How do you screw up/break (whatever they did) a Sean Taylor and keep your job

[madman]

my whole idea was focused on 2008 not next year.hopefully we turn it around next year and we will not have to change anything,but like it or not gibbs is maybe here 1 or 2 more years.i feel cowher would be a great fit.

[1niksder]

my whole idea was focused on 2008 not next year.hopefully we turn it around next year and we will not have to change anything,but like it or not gibbs is maybe here 1 or 2 more years.i feel cowher would be a great fit.

I think most people missed that and went defending Joe. Maybe not a bad idea in 2009 but Gibbs signed a 5 year deal. That's his story and I'm sticking to it

[Redskin in Canada]

just getting some thought from fellow fans.

Are you trying to pay tribute to your name?

[old-timer]

I also agree that the Redskins need a GM with teeth. The GM can not answer to Viney or Joe he has to be given the power to make all personnel decisions, including negotiating salaries and making trades. Two names come to mind Ron Wolf and Charlie Casserly. Of course he should consult with the coaches on what players are needed but the GM needs to be able to make the final decisions.

Don't talk about Casserly. By the time he was done here he had just about run this team into the ground. He's an overpaid mealy mouthed yes man, and his record everywhere shows that.

The only really good GM we ever had was Beathard. He's the one that Cooke picked first, before Gibbs even, and an argument can be made that it was Beathard who first put this team on track to win three Super Bowls. It was Beathard who picked Gibbs and most of the Hogs. It was Beathard who picked Art Monk and Darrell Green.

[Gibbs4Life]

To bring in a "GM with teeth" and undercut Gibbs' authority would make Joe unhappy and he'd probably leave so in essence you'd be trading Joe Gibbs for Ron Wolf or Charlie Casserly ... no thanks.

[old-timer]

To bring in a "GM with teeth" and undercut Gibbs' authority would make Joe unhappy and he'd probably leave so in essence you'd be trading Joe Gibbs for Ron Wolf or Charlie Casserly ... no thanks.

Gibbs has yet to prove himself as a personnel man. He drove Beathard away in 1989 after Beathard built most of the Redskin Super Bowl teams, and he did little to show that he picked up the slack. If Gibbs is unwilling to accept a GM as an equal or superior in personnel decisions, we may be looking at a further losing situation with Gibbs. Recall that after Gibbs left in '93, after 4 years with the nonentity Casserly rubberstamping Gibbs' decisions and no Beathard, the team was aging and on the downtreand, and the cupboard was essentially bare in terms of players and draft picks and the team faced many years of rebuilding.

In anty organization, the thing you want to avoid is promoting people to their level of incompetence. Gibbs was and perhaps still is a great coach, but coaching is more than a full time job, and player evaluation and management in addition may simply be too much for any man to handle, even if Gibbs had the talent for it, which we still don't know. Snyder is essentially gambling at this point that Gibbs knows what he's doing as GM. Although Gibbs is a better GM than Snyder's 'golly gee, this is just like my fantasy football team' approach, it may not be enough in today's NFL.

[1niksder]

To bring in a "GM with teeth" and undercut Gibbs' authority would make Joe unhappy and he'd probably leave so in essence you'd be trading Joe Gibbs for Ron Wolf or Charlie Casserly ... no thanks.

Joe is the Team President and would be the one to hire a GM, The team pres. would have more power in the FO than the GM but the GM should have final say on player personell, something that Gibbs says is a group effort at this point. With a GM in place everyone can concentrate on getting their other duties taken care of. In essence we'd be trading Vinny Cerato for a true General Manager and Vinny spends too much time with "the Danny" to let that happens