We are not "getting rid of" Portis. He is one of the best RBs in the NFL and Betts is a very good RB who will be even better when he gets his blocking skills to anywhere near Portis" level.
Any discussion about Portis leaving is just not realistic. Kind of like fantasy football, fun but absolutely not worth wasting time on. Portis and Betts will be a very formidable pair of RBs next year.
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this is really disgusting how some people want to get rid of the face of the Redskins...CP is the building block of this franchise, he is an elite back and you guys are talkin like he's worth nothing to you. this is really disgusting, i love CP and i think he will have many many great years to come with the Redskins organization. Betts is a good #2 option and that is it. We're not trading CP, at the least, Betts and CP will get equal carries but nobody is talking about trading him...jeeze i guess this is what losing does to people 
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Interesting Q&A in the Times:
Q: How come Ladell Betts didn't get the ball regularly before this?
A: You can't sit a healthy Clinton Portis, one of the league's most dynamic backs. However, Joe Gibbs didn't realize what he had in Betts when he returned to the Redskins two years ago. Imagine how much better the defense would be if it still had Champ Bailey, the great cornerback Gibbs traded to the Broncos to obtain Portis. Betts had missed much of the previous season with a broken forearm, and Gibbs thought he was merely a third-down back.
Q: How come Ladell Betts didn't get the ball regularly before this?
A: You can't sit a healthy Clinton Portis, one of the league's most dynamic backs. However, Joe Gibbs didn't realize what he had in Betts when he returned to the Redskins two years ago. Imagine how much better the defense would be if it still had Champ Bailey, the great cornerback Gibbs traded to the Broncos to obtain Portis. Betts had missed much of the previous season with a broken forearm, and Gibbs thought he was merely a third-down back.
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Hello, just my 2 cents here.
In the past couple of years I never saw Portis run as hard as Betts has this season. Betts just seams a more "Gibbs-type" runner: hard-hitting right in the middle of the defense.
Everyone would of course like a 1-2 punch of Portis and Betts, but history shows that you can´t have so much talent divided by two. Sooner or later, one will ask for more "touches" and become uncomfortable with the split system.
Take a look at this stat: Portis has a career average of 4.7 yards per carry, exactly the same average Betts has this season (Betts has a career average of 4.2 ypc, but has never had as many carries as this season).
In the past couple of years I never saw Portis run as hard as Betts has this season. Betts just seams a more "Gibbs-type" runner: hard-hitting right in the middle of the defense.
Everyone would of course like a 1-2 punch of Portis and Betts, but history shows that you can´t have so much talent divided by two. Sooner or later, one will ask for more "touches" and become uncomfortable with the split system.
Take a look at this stat: Portis has a career average of 4.7 yards per carry, exactly the same average Betts has this season (Betts has a career average of 4.2 ypc, but has never had as many carries as this season).
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LOL...
This is among the more ludicrous of discussion questions I have seen.
Clinton Portis is the most complete running back in the league. He has far greater field vision, quickness and speed than Betts, is probably the most devastating backfield blocker in the league, and is exceptional in pass routes. Beyond that, he is absolutely a leader of the team. If ANYONE has EVER seen Clinton Portis give up on a play, would you please show it to me? The guy NEVER quits.
Far more likely that Betts becomes the trade bait, and Duckett becomes the change-up to CP.
This is among the more ludicrous of discussion questions I have seen.
Clinton Portis is the most complete running back in the league. He has far greater field vision, quickness and speed than Betts, is probably the most devastating backfield blocker in the league, and is exceptional in pass routes. Beyond that, he is absolutely a leader of the team. If ANYONE has EVER seen Clinton Portis give up on a play, would you please show it to me? The guy NEVER quits.
Far more likely that Betts becomes the trade bait, and Duckett becomes the change-up to CP.
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In the past couple of years I never saw Portis run as hard as Betts has this season.
Sorry but that's absolute garbage. Betts might be a more physical runner (he's bigger) but no way does he run harder than Portis. Portis is a smaller back but he runs as hard as anybody in the league. Were you not watching last season when Portis put this team on his back and carried us to playoffs? He gives 110% on every play and throws his body around as if he was a fullback or linebacker. Have you not watched him in pass protection the last few seasons?? He stands in their against blitzing linebackers running at full speed and tries to knock them to the ground, unlike most rb's in the NFL who try to take as little contact as possible when pass protecting. Did you not see him injure his shoulder in the preseason making the tackle after the int?? Pound for pound Portis is one of the toughest players in the league. To say that he doesn't run as hard as Betts is a joke.
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You guys CANNOT BE SERIOUS.
Why is Betts breaking off big runs?
The passing game is not where it needs to be but JC is commanding a bit of respect. I haven't been able to see the recent games but I doubt that Betts is seeing 8 guys in the box like CP does. With MB04 in there, nobody paid attention to him. Darren Sharper publicly stated that they weren't concerned with MB04. JC has aided the running game with his penchant to go down field.
Im sorry but if Betts faced 8 man fronts with the TERRIBLE blocking CP received he'd have -200 yards.
Lets place a 100% CP in this same situation and he'd have better stats and blocking than Betts. If the passing game improves it'll be amazing how much further we go with CP.
Betts is shaping up to be an even better back than we hoped and a GREAT COMPLIMENT to Portis.
Why is Betts breaking off big runs?
The passing game is not where it needs to be but JC is commanding a bit of respect. I haven't been able to see the recent games but I doubt that Betts is seeing 8 guys in the box like CP does. With MB04 in there, nobody paid attention to him. Darren Sharper publicly stated that they weren't concerned with MB04. JC has aided the running game with his penchant to go down field.
Im sorry but if Betts faced 8 man fronts with the TERRIBLE blocking CP received he'd have -200 yards.
Lets place a 100% CP in this same situation and he'd have better stats and blocking than Betts. If the passing game improves it'll be amazing how much further we go with CP.
Betts is shaping up to be an even better back than we hoped and a GREAT COMPLIMENT to Portis.
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I Love CP but he has been bothered by injury since pre season.
LB has been brilliant filling in. The Play Calling has been for a more direct approach in the Running game. The O Line seem to prefare the straight ahead blocking and there have been some impressinve performances.
JC at QB is also helping. He will throw it deep it creates that little space away from the line of scrimmage.
LB has been brilliant filling in. The Play Calling has been for a more direct approach in the Running game. The O Line seem to prefare the straight ahead blocking and there have been some impressinve performances.
JC at QB is also helping. He will throw it deep it creates that little space away from the line of scrimmage.
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I keep reading that Portis has better vision than betts, and that is not even close to being true. Portis is an excellent back at pretty much everything except vision and hands. If he had vision and hands he would be on LT's level. IMO, Portis has mediocre vision and patience. Betts sees the running lane very well. Whether or not he can always move out of the way in time is a different story...
P.S. Elusiveness and Agility do not mean he has good vision.
P.S. Elusiveness and Agility do not mean he has good vision.
Portis and betts will be here next year and there is absolutely no question in Gibbs and Saunders mind that Portis is the better of the 2. Portis is not just a little better he is far better than Betts.
Betts and Portis together will be a part of our success next season.
Kudos also please from all those Saunders doubters - earlier this season after training camp I remember reading that Saunders thought that Betts would be very valuable to this team - I have not seen many of those Saunders haters giving credit where credit is due
Betts and Portis together will be a part of our success next season.
Kudos also please from all those Saunders doubters - earlier this season after training camp I remember reading that Saunders thought that Betts would be very valuable to this team - I have not seen many of those Saunders haters giving credit where credit is due
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Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
did anyone watch the philly game. Betts wasn't getting touched until ten yards past the line. A good offensive line can make any running back look good. Instead of all this talk about CP vs. Betts we should be talking about resigning Dereck Dockery and keeping this line together for another year.
And by the way... does anyone remember last year. I'm tired of hearing that CP is not a "gibbs type back". Who cares... we're not running a "gibbs type offense" anymore. So what does it matter. And does everyone forget that last season Cp came to camp 20 lbs heavier with muscle... ready to be a punishing back. To me he WAS what you guys said about him... too quick to hit the hole, not a punishing running back. But last year all that changed and he ran between the tackles... waited for his blocks.
We bash the skins for not being consistent and always looking for free agents and throwing away draft picks. Maybe we the fans should set an example and stop saying stupid comments like trade so and so because his backup has stepped in for a few good games.
And by the way... does anyone remember last year. I'm tired of hearing that CP is not a "gibbs type back". Who cares... we're not running a "gibbs type offense" anymore. So what does it matter. And does everyone forget that last season Cp came to camp 20 lbs heavier with muscle... ready to be a punishing back. To me he WAS what you guys said about him... too quick to hit the hole, not a punishing running back. But last year all that changed and he ran between the tackles... waited for his blocks.
We bash the skins for not being consistent and always looking for free agents and throwing away draft picks. Maybe we the fans should set an example and stop saying stupid comments like trade so and so because his backup has stepped in for a few good games.
CcHhDd wrote:did anyone watch the philly game. Betts wasn't getting touched until ten yards past the line. A good offensive line can make any running back look good. Instead of all this talk about CP vs. Betts we should be talking about resigning Dereck Dockery and keeping this line together for another year.
And by the way... does anyone remember last year. I'm tired of hearing that CP is not a "gibbs type back". Who cares... we're not running a "gibbs type offense" anymore. So what does it matter. And does everyone forget that last season Cp came to camp 20 lbs heavier with muscle... ready to be a punishing back. To me he WAS what you guys said about him... too quick to hit the hole, not a punishing running back. But last year all that changed and he ran between the tackles... waited for his blocks.
We bash the skins for not being consistent and always looking for free agents and throwing away draft picks. Maybe we the fans should set an example and stop saying stupid comments like trade so and so because his backup has stepped in for a few good games.
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Nobody with any real sense of what is good for this football team is talking about anything other than the positives about what these 2 backs will mean next year.
There are a lot of positives that we are going to gather here in the next few weeks and we will see Gibbs build on those.
We seem to have a lot of people looking at all the things that are wrong here and not considering that we also have a lot going for us. Yes we have some issues but we are the Washington Redskins and we have Joe Gibbs.
Might be time to lighten the ship some but IMO we need to lose the negativity off the field because I think we have a lot of guys on the field that want to be a part of the good that can be this team next year.
There are a lot of positives that we are going to gather here in the next few weeks and we will see Gibbs build on those.
We seem to have a lot of people looking at all the things that are wrong here and not considering that we also have a lot going for us. Yes we have some issues but we are the Washington Redskins and we have Joe Gibbs.
Might be time to lighten the ship some but IMO we need to lose the negativity off the field because I think we have a lot of guys on the field that want to be a part of the good that can be this team next year.
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Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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Stephen Davis=primordial Gibbs-type back.
Betts=Gibbs-type back.
Portis=Talent Gibbs can´t afford not to use, but definetly not a plower.
The O-line has been basically the same all season, so the argument that Betts has had a better line doesn´t hold up. Campbell is not a QB defenses fear. Teams know that our best chance of winning a game comes from running the ball. Betts has done a great job inspite of this.
Betts=Gibbs-type back.
Portis=Talent Gibbs can´t afford not to use, but definetly not a plower.
The O-line has been basically the same all season, so the argument that Betts has had a better line doesn´t hold up. Campbell is not a QB defenses fear. Teams know that our best chance of winning a game comes from running the ball. Betts has done a great job inspite of this.
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El Mexican wrote:Stephen Davis=primordial Gibbs-type back.
Betts=Gibbs-type back.
Portis=Talent Gibbs can´t afford not to use, but definetly not a plower.
The O-line has been basically the same all season, so the argument that Betts has had a better line doesn´t hold up. Campbell is not a QB defenses fear. Teams know that our best chance of winning a game comes from running the ball. Betts has done a great job inspite of this.
Us playing awful run defenses lately also might have just a little to do with it...