New Orleans

[USS Redskin]

I watched the Saints beat Dallas last night and I have to say other than loving watching the Cowboys loose, I was totally jealous of two things:

The QB: Drew Brees - the guy is on pace for 4,000+ yards and 25+ TD's and a passer rating around 99. The Chargers groomed him and the Saints were smart enough to grab him - like the Skins should have done. When he was available all I heard was the Skins cant afford him, he had surgery - Bull S*** - Since when have the Skins had a problem signing anyone? His arm sure looks good.
They should have dumped the gimp (brunell) and signed a young QB in his prime!
I am sure JC will be a good QB but its going to be tough watching him during his learning years.

The Coach: Sean Payton - a young, new head coach who has BALLS!
He did an onside kick when they were winning 35-17!!!!!!
The Skins need some new blood - I love Gibbs but 21st Century Gibbs is a complete failure at 20-25 - heading towards 20-28.
I do not know the front office situation in New Orleans but I bet they have a GM.

I love the Skins but man, the Saints are 9-4 and made allot better moves in 1 year than the Skins have done in 7.

[roybus14]

You make some interesting points but it is very hard to imagine someone else's success in a different place then they are now. I think that Brees is an excellent QB for the Saints but here, I dunno. We have a totally different team from the offense to the defense. They have developed and drafted well.

Payton is going to be a good HC. He and Mangini (Jets) are disciplines of Parcells and Belicheck so they have been well schooled. The on-side kick was Payton's way of showing Parcells that he has successfully passed him the torch. He prepared them well and they pasted the Cowpukes with their play calling and energy.

We on the other hand, will continue to say, "why didn't we get this guy or that guy" but we have all of the ingredients to be just as good but we ain't getting it done. This starts from the top down and ultimately falls on Gibbs and his inability to effectively coach this team.

[RedskinsFreak]

I love the Skins but man, the Saints are 9-4 and made allot better moves in 1 year than the Skins have done in 7.

It's amazing what you can do with draft picks.

Sure, they got Bush with #2 because they suffered through that nightmare, no-home season of 2005.

They refuse to let things grow. You get the best vegetables from the garden, not the supermarket. Plant the seeds and WAIT for them to bear fruit.

It's also like trying to strike it rich on lottery tickets instead of wise investments in stocks and the like.

[RedskinsFreak]

This starts from the top down and ultimately falls on Gibbs and his inability to effectively coach this team.

You aim too low.

[KazooSkinsFan]

This starts from the top down and ultimately falls on Gibbs and his inability to effectively coach this team.

Just curious who you're missing. Norv Turner? Schottenheimer who Daryl Green said treated him like a "rookie?" How bout some more Spurrier baby! Or Petibone, a great D coordinator who wasn't up to the #1 chair?

Or you just like burning and churning coaches? Was Robinksi your speed? He only coached about 4 games and never got the I removed so your beloved coaching carousel was spinning like mad!

With fans like you, we don't need opponents, we prevent ourselves from ever building a team becuase we endlessly burn and churn.

[Mursilis]

This starts from the top down and ultimately falls on Gibbs and his inability to effectively coach this team.

Just curious who you're missing. Norv Turner? Schottenheimer who Daryl Green said treated him like a "rookie?" How bout some more Spurrier baby! Or Petibone, a great D coordinator who wasn't up to the #1 chair?

Or you just like burning and churning coaches? Was Robinksi your speed? He only coached about 4 games and never got the I removed so your beloved coaching carousel was spinning like mad!

With fans like you, we don't need opponents, we prevent ourselves from ever building a team becuase we endlessly burn and churn.

The coaching carousel after Gibbs I managed a 74-101-1 record (42.0 winning percentage). Since his return, Gibbs has managed 20-25 (44.4 winning percentage). That's not a huge improvement.

[KazooSkinsFan]

This starts from the top down and ultimately falls on Gibbs and his inability to effectively coach this team.

Just curious who you're missing. Norv Turner? Schottenheimer who Daryl Green said treated him like a "rookie?" How bout some more Spurrier baby! Or Petibone, a great D coordinator who wasn't up to the #1 chair?

Or you just like burning and churning coaches? Was Robinksi your speed? He only coached about 4 games and never got the I removed so your beloved coaching carousel was spinning like mad!

With fans like you, we don't need opponents, we prevent ourselves from ever building a team becuase we endlessly burn and churn.

The coaching carousel after Gibbs I managed a 74-101-1 record (42.0 winning percentage). Since his return, Gibbs has managed 20-25 (44.4 winning percentage). That's not a huge improvement.

I think the key word you missed is "Carousel."

Gibbs got a bad team. He took it the second year to the divisonal playoffs. The third year we had a setback.

Rather than splitting Gibbs 3 years from those between his stints, the correct way to look at it is that the coaching carousel has yielded a 43% winning percentage. Canning Gibbs in 3 years is more of same, it is not going a different direction.

[Mursilis]

This starts from the top down and ultimately falls on Gibbs and his inability to effectively coach this team.

Just curious who you're missing. Norv Turner? Schottenheimer who Daryl Green said treated him like a "rookie?" How bout some more Spurrier baby! Or Petibone, a great D coordinator who wasn't up to the #1 chair?

Or you just like burning and churning coaches? Was Robinksi your speed? He only coached about 4 games and never got the I removed so your beloved coaching carousel was spinning like mad!

With fans like you, we don't need opponents, we prevent ourselves from ever building a team becuase we endlessly burn and churn.

The coaching carousel after Gibbs I managed a 74-101-1 record (42.0 winning percentage). Since his return, Gibbs has managed 20-25 (44.4 winning percentage). That's not a huge improvement.

I think the key word you missed is "Carousel."

Gibbs got a bad team. He took it the second year to the divisonal playoffs. The third year we had a setback.

Rather than splitting Gibbs 3 years from those between his stints, the correct way to look at it is that the coaching carousel has yielded a 43% winning percentage. Canning Gibbs in 3 years is more of same, it is not going a different direction.

You're probably right about canning Gibbs not helping, which is why I'm not jumping on that particular bandwagon. Still, the 'setback' this season has been a stunner, and I don't think I share the faith of many here that Gibbs WILL turn this around. Sure, Gibbs could turn this all around in the next two years (he's clearly one of the great coaches of all time), but I'll no longer be surprised if he doesn't either. I'm one of the last people you'd ever call a 'homer' but I never would've expected 7-9 (best-case scenario now) or worse this year. Never. But here we are.

[KazooSkinsFan]

You're probably right about canning Gibbs not helping, which is why I'm not jumping on that particular bandwagon. Still, the 'setback' this season has been a stunner, and I don't think I share the faith of many here that Gibbs WILL turn this around. Sure, Gibbs could turn this all around in the next two years (he's clearly one of the great coaches of all time), but I'll no longer be surprised if he doesn't either. I'm one of the last people you'd ever call a 'homer' but I never would've expected 7-9 (best-case scenario now) or worse this year. Never. But here we are.

It's been a very disappointing year, no doubt. But if our D had come through we would be in a very good position right now. Now that Brunell's FINALLY not playing we are getting JC some real experience. And we are getting what right now would be the #7 pick at worst.

I'm certainly not suggesting we start next year thinking Superbowl like we did this year, but we could certainly bounce back and have a good year.