KazooSkinsFan wrote:If GW thinks it's just his system and not his players, why did he have us spend so much money on AC and AA?
redskins12287 wrote:I don't know what we gave AA so much money, no one else wanted him, kind of like when we gave brunell so much money, it's just what the 'skins so I guess.
May be true, but misses the point of my question.
First Brunell's O and we're talking GW. You didn't mention AC. And you can't be serious that you think they signed AA for $30 mil because that's what they do. They may or may not evaluate talent well, but they're not stupid and that would just be stupid. BTW, most players are not in fact signed for anywhere near $30 mil undercutting the theory.
No, GW WANTED those two. But if he thought it was just his schemes, why did he feel he needed particular players? Why not sign cheap players and let Gibbs spend the bulk on O? This question goes to the heart of your point, he thinks it's his schemes not the players.
And by the way, how do you know he "thinks" it's his schemes not the players anyway.
KazooSkinsFan wrote:Why do players deserve credit "his system can't turn players lacking talent into solid players" but only he gets blame "the defenseive problems come back to the defensive coordinator?"
redskins12287 wrote:I, and alot of people gave GW most of the credit when our D was doing so well, especially his first season here when the year before our D was horrible.
OK, sort of answers my question. Though I think you are having a hard time distinguising between blame and responsiblity still.
But if GW's doing the things you say, why did he turn around the D? You say he thinks it's his schemes not the players. You concede the D was bad before he got it. How did he turn it around in the first place if your accusations over this year are true?
KazooSkinsFan wrote:AA, AC obviously showed a lot of talent on film, do they deserve any of the credit for their less than stellar performances as Redskins or just GW deserves the blame for evaluation? Does Rogers deserve any of the blame for his poor Sophmore performance? Does Taylor deserve blame for his being burned repeatedly by the same passing plays game after game? Should our weak side linebackers have just played better? What about the rest of the D coaching staff?
redskins12287 wrote:That talent seen on film must have been some old film, because netiher one of them have done much in the past like 2 years. Yes Rogers deserves the blame for his crappy season, but then again, shouldn't some of that fall on the man that drafted him and coaches him everyday? Same with Taylor. As far as linebakers, Williams let Pierce go, and apparantlet drafted a bust in McIntosh. The rest of the D coaching staff, those are GW's guys.
To me again it goes back to responsiblity versus blame. You're conceding others have come short. The difference:
- Responsiblity: He owns the problem and needs to own solving it.
- Blame: It's his fault.
I say he's responsible. Based on his past success and other issues I am willing to let this year go without blame. But that isn't a pass becuase I'm expecting the situation to be better next year and if it isn't I'll start looking at him.
You keep saying he's to blame. I just don't get that based on his past success and even you admit the players have come up short. And you say for the staff they're his too.
You don't manage anyone, do you? I don't mean it as a slam, I'm just saying there's not perfect way to manage and if you are personally blamed by your superiors for every problem in your organization you'd just stop managing because it would be impossible.
KazooSkinsFan wrote:If evaluating talent were easy or non-risk, why do other teams have so much trouble too? Why are there ever busts?
redskins12287 wrote:We just seem to do a very poor job of evaluating talent and it seems like more often than not we make the wrong choice.
I think you're being kinda tough in that you're focusing on the failures and ignoring the successes and not acknowledging that evaluation is an art not a science, no one doesn't make a lot of mistakes.
But, I can't disagree that we could do better and like you I want to hire a GM to separate the jobs. Not in hindsight, but the two huge mistakes to me are AA and Ducket. AA becuase Taylor is already weak on the pass, why hiring another safety with the same fault? And Duckett who was signed as insurance for Portis, and even though Portis was out most of the year we still don't play him. Those should have been a GM saying "N-O."
KazooSkinsFan wrote:Also, what didn't we do for Atlanta? He was w/o half his secondary, should he have blitzed? That was the only specific I've heard so far . It was before you were in the conversation, so what did he not do for Atlanta?
redskins12287 wrote:I thought Springs was the only one out? Yes, we should have blitzed, at least, more often than we did. As some one explained earlier, that is how 4 teams before us stoped Vick and beat Atlanta. If you don't put pressure on Vick, then you get what we saw on Sunday. It may not have made sense when we were up, but when they are moving the ball on every drive, you have to try something different.
We were also missing Vincent. So keep in mind what you are saying is:
We were missing our top Corner and our better pass protection safety. We were left with Sophmore struggling Rogers in the secondary and Taylor who's soft on pass and subs.
And GW screwed up by not blitzing more because that's how other teams beat Vick? I am going to have to disagree with you. We were burned in previous games by blitzing with our weak secondary and Vick is no passing slouch.
And remember Atlanta has film to, don't you think they were aware of our depleted and struggling secondary? And don't you think GW knew they knew that?
To put more guys blitzing to me would have been insane. Instead of failing to stop them they would have just torched us for TDs. We were already in trouble just because of the secondary staff available. Again, responsibility verus blame?
