extremely terrible campbell article

[die cowboys die]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01223.html

this clown is making it sound like campbell is absolutely lost and will take YEARS before he ever has any idea what he's doing.

he made a ridiculous rookie mistake today on that first INT. jay cutler did the same thing later in the evening for denver. romo did it in his first game.

the 2nd INT was the result of a completely missed blitz pickup. the receiver was open for a TD.

he's not in control of the offense, like any QB in his THIRD GAME. but he made some nice plays and has shown some good potential- and not potential to be good "years" from now.

he may not end up being any good, but he did nothing but play like a talented ROOKIE today (yes, he is a rookie experience-wise). nothing better, nothing worse.

[crazyhorse1]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/03/AR2006120301223.html

this clown is making it sound like campbell is absolutely lost and will take YEARS before he ever has any idea what he's doing.

he made a ridiculous rookie mistake today on that first INT. jay cutler did the same thing later in the evening for denver. romo did it in his first game.

the 2nd INT was the result of a completely missed blitz pickup. the receiver was open for a TD.

he's not in control of the offense, like any QB in his THIRD GAME. but he made some nice plays and has shown some good potential- and not potential to be good "years" from now.

he may not end up being any good, but he did nothing but play like a talented ROOKIE today (yes, he is a rookie experience-wise). nothing better, nothing worse.

The article was extreme. Campbell's problems yesterday were typical quarterback mistakes caused by an excellent pass rush and his attempt on a couple of occasions to make something good happen when he should have held the ball. Notice I didn't say "rookie?" mistakes? Veteran QBs routinely make the same mistakes.

I have no idea why the Skins didn't go into a hurry up offense. Does the writer have inside info on the matter; if so, he didn't disclose it. It might well have been caused by the numerous missed pass blocking assignments that had hurt the Skins all day.

The writer also failed to note that Campbell's arm opened up the running game. Take away the dropped pass by ey that cost us at least three points and the missed field goal, as well as the lucky TD on the near sack, and we would have won the the game. The greatest weakesses shown were our lack of depth at DB, plus a possible blown coverage, and Springs' injury; as well as continued problems stopping the run.

The article would have made more sense if it had focused on those two elements. It might also have mentioned the emergence of A. Carter as a defensive force, finally. Let's hope that one is for real. If so, we can concentrate on getting LB and DB help next year.

Question. What is Holdman doing still on the field? We had to go with Wright and Fox had looked good for two games, but Holdman?l

[jru37726]

WASN'T THAT BAD.......i think he kind of makes the coaching staff bad .....did you see those seconds in between plays in the 4th qtr? Its give up football. Of course Campbell made a HUGE mstake.....but we were still up 14-10 and Atlanta had the ball at our 30.......and then the defense did its usual thing.....awful. Its just gonna take time. Things would be no better with Brunell in there.

[SkinsJock]

I really do not place too much into most of the stuff that is written whether pro or con. As has been pointed out a number of times here, these clowns in both the print media and the bozos on the air are really not that interested in reporting they seem to feel a need to hype everything and for the most part, IMO, they just want to make sure it gets attention.

We all (well some of us ) have known for a while that while we have concerns and issues with our offense both players and play calling. However, IMO, the real concerns with this team have been with the defense. While a number here were screaming about the QB situation those that were really seeing the problems could see that the main reason for our losses was that our defense was not the force that it has been.

The best example of how important the QB position is in today's NFL, is in Chicago. Also, when the Ravens had that great defense Kitna had terrible ratings.


We have a really good future ahead with Campbell - we need a lot of help with our defense - both with the coaches and the players.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

18/38 1 TD, 1 INT, & a 24-14 loss when the team's season is on the line is one word...

BAD.

I like the kid, and I think he's our future, but, yesterday, he looked bad after the first 11 minutews of the game.

[roybus14]

I missed the game yesterday (funeral) but from what I could see in the highlights, JC made mistakes that some veterans have made. So I don't put much stock into Boswell's rant.

Here's the facts about this current team:

-- The QB change should have happened alot earlier than it did because you would expect that JC would have a bad game sometime. Vince Young has really made majors strides with Tennessee due to the amount of time he has started. I think he is 5-4 as a starter for the Titans, which ain't bad for a rookie QB on a mediocre to bad team. That's nine games JC would also have under his belt if Gibbs had pulled the trigger sooner.

-- The defense has fallen off due to the arrogance of the guys coaching it. You let "core guys" that grew up and became players in this defense, go, and then bring guys that you over pay and can't play. I guess all of us on this board and the other legions of die-hards are "boo-boo's da' fools" in believing that one guy's injury (Springs) was the reason this defense fell off the map. He is only one guy and if you (GW) had kept guys like Pierce, Clark, Smoot, Stoutmire, and Harris, you wouldn't have this problem. Those guys weren't perfect but they knew your system and was part of that top 5 defense that you fielded the past couple of years.

-- Coaching.... Yesterday and the season says it all....

[cleg]

I would not call Boswell a clown - he's one of the best sports writters in the country. He is also right. If it takes J. Camp a long time to develop we'll be in trouble. He is saying IF.

Now, he mentions Romo but we all know that Jerry Jones signed a deal with the Devil and that's why Romo is so good. It won't last (I hope).

[gibbsfan]

I really do not place too much into most of the stuff that is written whether pro or con. As has been pointed out a number of times here, these clowns in both the print media and the bozos on the air are really not that interested in reporting they seem to feel a need to hype everything and for the most part, IMO, they just want to make sure it gets attention.

We all (well some of us ) have known for a while that while we have concerns and issues with our offense both players and play calling. However, IMO, the real concerns with this team have been with the defense. While a number here were screaming about the QB situation those that were really seeing the problems could see that the main reason for our losses was that our defense was not the force that it has been.

The best example of how important the QB position is in today's NFL, is in Chicago. Also, when the Ravens had that great defense Kitna had terrible ratings.


We have a really good future ahead with Campbell - we need a lot of help with our defense - both with the coaches and the players.

the defense certainly has stunk it up this year..all those miss tackles..
it,s not the force it once was thats for sure..not this year anyways.

[Irn-Bru]

he made a ridiculous rookie mistake today on that first INT. jay cutler did the same thing later in the evening for denver. romo did it in his first game.

the 2nd INT was the result of a completely missed blitz pickup. the receiver was open for a TD.

he's not in control of the offense, like any QB in his THIRD GAME. but he made some nice plays and has shown some good potential- and not potential to be good "years" from now.

he may not end up being any good, but he did nothing but play like a talented ROOKIE today (yes, he is a rookie experience-wise). nothing better, nothing worse.

That 2nd INT was Campbell's fault insofar as he should have held on the ball and taken the sack. A bad judgement on his part, but certainly to be expected. He also had a few throws that were nearly picked off. By the standards you were holding Mark Brunell to, dcd, Campbell had one of the worst days in the history of any quarterback ever.

The article was rather short-sighted, though. Especially telling are these lines:

In light of Sunday's revelations, what we have here is a full-blown project.

I wonder if next week will change his tune. How can one week's worth of performance dictate seasons worth of information?

[John Manfreda]

[quote="roybus14"]I missed the game yesterday (funeral) but from what I could see in the highlights, JC made mistakes that some veterans have made. So I don't put much stock into Boswell's rant.

Sorry about the loss.

[poper2]

I missed the game yesterday (funeral) but from what I could see in the highlights, JC made mistakes that some veterans have made. So I don't put much stock into Boswell's rant.

Here's the facts about this current team:

-- The QB change should have happened alot earlier than it did because you would expect that JC would have a bad game sometime. Vince Young has really made majors strides with Tennessee due to the amount of time he has started. I think he is 5-4 as a starter for the Titans, which ain't bad for a rookie QB on a mediocre to bad team. That's nine games JC would also have under his belt if Gibbs had pulled the trigger sooner.

-- The defense has fallen off due to the arrogance of the guys coaching it. You let "core guys" that grew up and became players in this defense, go, and then bring guys that you over pay and can't play. I guess all of us on this board and the other legions of die-hards are "boo-boo's da' fools" in believing that one guy's injury (Springs) was the reason this defense fell off the map. He is only one guy and if you (GW) had kept guys like Pierce, Clark, Smoot, Stoutmire, and Harris, you wouldn't have this problem. Those guys weren't perfect but they knew your system and was part of that top 5 defense that you fielded the past couple of years.

-- Coaching.... Yesterday and the season says it all....

Anyone could see the reason they lost was due to the Defensive, not the QB.

[ii7-V7]

Anyone could see the reason they lost was due to the Defensive, not the QB.

Wow, really?

I think that Campbell will be a good QB. However, yesterday's loss was in large part due to errors made by Jason. When we had to convert a 3rd and 4, Jason either was pressured on an overload blitz and couldn't hit his hot read, or he missed an over reciever, or he had ey open and instead threw into coverage.

Is it entirely his fault? No. Of course not. But we couldn't keep the offense on the field because we couldn't convert 3rd downs. The running game was working, Moss had over 100 yards, but it doesn't matter if you can't convert a short third down.

When Campbell threw the first INT that lead to the touchdown that turned the game around. Without that throw we likely win this game.

The second interception was because Campbell didn't see the open receiver quick enough. Even if he wasn't hit on the thrwo the ball wouldn't have been caught because the coverage was convergin on his throw.


Does this mean that Campbell stinks? No! But you can't avoid the fact this his inexperience cost us that game.

[ii7-V7]

Here's the facts about this current team:

-- The QB change should have happened alot earlier than it did.....

-- The defense has fallen off due to the arrogance of the guys coaching it.

I love it when some says, "Here are the facts!" and then follows it up with opinions. Not that I disagree with those opinions however. I just find it funny.

There are what I would consider to be a lot of coaching mistakes in this season and in this game. Injuries have played a significant part in our downward spiral. Its not just Springs who is injured on the defense. Its also Prileaou, Vincent, Salvae', and Khary Campbell. But, I would attribute poor personnel decisions and coaching as the major reason for the failings on defense.

In yesterdays game, the defense was getting gouged by the Falcons run game, and they never stacked the box. People had been beating the Falcons largely because they stacked the box and defied Vick to beat them with his arm. They rushed Vick and got to him quick. The man has been sacked 34 times this year. Thier O-line can't pass block. So what do we do? Play Cover 2, and fake the blitz. It worked for the first three series. Then it stopped working, but Williams did nothing to change his scheme.

Yesterday, when we had the ball with 3 minutes left and needed two scores the offense continued to run 30 seconds off the clock between each play. Was it because Campbell wasn't able to run the hurry up offense? If so, why not?

[ATV]

Yea, I've never been impressed with that writer. I thought it was going overboard. I stopped reading halfway through.

[brad7686]

Things would be no better with Brunell in there.

Can't argue that. If i recall, Brunell often gets fumblitis when he gets pressured. And with Campbell in the game, the passing yardage actually exceeds 200 YARDS!!! It's as if they are an actual NFL offense.

That said, he needs to have better pocket awareness, and i think that will improve with him actually playing football again. It takes a while to get used to the speed when you haven't played in a couple years, im sure.

[ii7-V7]

Things would be no better with Brunell in there.

Can't argue that. If i recall, Brunell often gets fumblitis when he gets pressured. And with Campbell in the game, the passing yardage actually exceeds 200 YARDS!!! It's as if they are an actual NFL offense.

That said, he needs to have better pocket awareness, and i think that will improve with him actually playing football again. It takes a while to get used to the speed when you haven't played in a couple years, im sure.

Actually, Mark didn't have fumble problems....so I don't know where that comes from. If Mark had been in he wouldn't have throw those two interceptions. But he also wouldn't have made that 40 yard bomb to moss for a TD either.

[brad7686]

I think he did last year, i remember some fumbles. But yeah, he def would not have thrown those passes

Actually, ESPN says he had fumbled 4 times already this year

[frankcal20]

Why on 3rd down, when we knew they were going to blitz, did we not bring in another blocker to stop their Safety?

[ii7-V7]

I think he did last year, i remember some fumbles. But yeah, he def would not have thrown those passes

Actually, ESPN says he had fumbled 4 times already this year

OK, that surprises me. I thought that he had only two this year and that one was from a botched snap.

[PulpExposure]

Listen, Boswell's got a point. If Campbell doesn't learn relatively quickly, we are in deep trouble. The Redskins have the oldest team in the league, and virtually no draft picks to restock our team with. Campbell could become an excellent player, but by that time, he could be surrounded by no talent.

However, it's a bit much to go as far as he did. Campbell had 2 good games and 1 bad game. For the first 3 games of a QB's career, 5 TDs and 3 INTs is pretty good ratio. We all know that he wasn't going to step on the field and throw for 500 yards and 6 TDs. We know we need a bit of patience.

So...he had a rough game. Even Tom Brady and Peyton Manning have rough games.

Why on 3rd down, when we knew they were going to blitz, did we not bring in another blocker to stop their Safety?

Good question. Where was the max protect, since everyone in the stadium knew on 3rd down the Falcons were bringing the house?

[SkinsJock]

The article was rather short-sighted, though. Especially telling are these lines:

In light of Sunday's revelations, what we have here is a full-blown project.

I wonder if next week will change his tune. How can one week's worth of performance dictate seasons worth of information?

Agreed! I went and read the article because I thought I was probably a little harsh. I mean Boswell is not bad mostly.
Same old tired criticism. We know this kid is going to make mistakes but I think that from what we have seen so far he looks very promising. Why not write this piece a little more positively - yesterdays' mistakes by Campbell were not as harmful to our chances of winning as the missed tackles and poor pass defense. Boswell is trying to make out like this is going to be a long term thing and I do not think from what we have seen that this is fair.

Romo has been in the NFL for 4 years and while he is looking fairly good there are some other factors that make him 5-1 as a starter - it aint all the QB for crying out loud. Guess what his loss is to the fabulous Redskins

[die cowboys die]

Things would be no better with Brunell in there.

Can't argue that. If i recall, Brunell often gets fumblitis when he gets pressured. And with Campbell in the game, the passing yardage actually exceeds 200 YARDS!!! It's as if they are an actual NFL offense.

That said, he needs to have better pocket awareness, and i think that will improve with him actually playing football again. It takes a while to get used to the speed when you haven't played in a couple years, im sure.

Actually, Mark didn't have fumble problems....so I don't know where that comes from. If Mark had been in he wouldn't have throw those two interceptions. But he also wouldn't have made that 40 yard bomb to moss for a TD either.

dude, what are you TALKING about???

11 fumbles in 2005 regular season-- almost every one of them came at the end of a long drive when we were in scoring position.

6 fumbles in 8.5 games in 2004, almost every one of them was returned for a touchdown or put the other team within FG range at a minimum.

yes, he toned it down a bit to 5 fumbles in 9 games this year, so perhaps that's what you mean. but MB04's fumbleitis was one of THE single most destructive forces against the redskins in those 2 seasons, and he should never be forgiven for it.

[joebagadonuts]

I wonder if next week will change his tune. How can one week's worth of performance dictate seasons worth of information?

Probably not. Boswell is an eternal pessimist. I have yet to read a positive article from him regarding the Redskins.

[UK Skins Fan]

I'm looking for a bright side, and the best I can come up with is that Campbell is getting the chance to make his mistakes on a team that isn't very good. In other words, he isn't exactly holding this team back while he learns his trade. If he played like he did yesterday for a team that was firmly in the playoff hunt, then I'd be mad.

Hopefully, by the time Campbell is the real deal, then the Redskins will be too.

Now, it's time for my medication.

[Skins2daGrave]

what a horrible article...i stopped reading after the first paragraph cuz the guy sounded like a *bleep*. he obviously has no clue about what it takes to be an NFL QB