Post Game Thread...Atl @ Was

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:02 pm

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1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:06 pm

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Charm City Sports · Post by **Charm City Sports** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:14 pm

Some of the worst play calling.

We needed two scores, kick the ball.

GW's refusal to bend, and make ajustments cost us .

Why not stack the box when Shaub came in? there was no way they would call a pass play in the situation, NO F'n way!!!

JC gets a pass for the dumb mistakes, because he is still learning, but the coaching staff doesn't.

We needed two scores and they were calling plays like it was the first quarter.

They just gingerly walke dto the line, and no one on the sidelines was lighting the fire under the Offense's rear.

Now that I am done ranting I am going to pluck the new grey hair that I have gotten because of this game!!!

welch · Post by **welch** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:15 pm

Defense: poor against run, poor against pass, mostly OK against the scramble.

OL: look at running stats.

Campbell: mistakes, bad throws. Still learning, and under tougher circumstances than Jay Schoeder or Mark Rypien had. (Note: in addition to an over-powering running game, he could throw to Monk, Clark, and Sanders). Would Brunell have been better? Perhaps, but that doesn't matter. The offense belongs to Campbell now.

TincoSkin · Post by **TincoSkin** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:23 pm

williams is

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:24 pm

welch wrote:Would Brunell have been better? Perhaps, but that doesn't matter. The offense belongs to Campbell now.

Why even say that? Brunell will only be on the field if there's an injury to Campbell.

I'm mostly upset with the play calling...on both sides of the ball. Campbell's mistakes are understood....most players on the field have been there for at least 9 games...Campbell only 3.

The O was dominating by running the ball in the first, then got fancy in the second quarter and lost all momentum. Where are these amazing adjustments Gibbs is "known" for at halftime? I have yet to see any.

SCSkinsFan · Post by **SCSkinsFan** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:25 pm

2 INTS killed two scoring chances, and giving up 256 yards rushing. Is that the story off this game? Not scoring after the blocked kick? Propbably didn't matter. AC's best game on D (led the team w/9 tackles, 2 assists, and 1 Sack) wasted. What else? As 1Nik showed, we got screwed byt FOX (again) on seeing the game on TV.

ATV · Post by **ATV** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:25 pm

Suck.

I hated the offensive play-calling after the first quarter. They Redksins had the game in hand, the running game was demoralizing them. Next thing you know they start throwing the ball on every play. IMO, this is when they began to lose it.

Suck.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:28 pm

Coaching - F
Horrible time management. Bad play calling. Run, run, pass is not going to cut it. Running draw plays with no timeouts left and 1 min left is retarded.

QB - C
RB - A
TE - D
WR - B
Offensive line
running - A
passing - D
Defensive line
pass rush - C
run stop - C+
LB - C+
DB - B-
Safety - C+
S/T - A
K - F+

Just my humble opinion on performances.
Some quick thoughts.

+ The play calling is still a big issue.

+ Why didn't we kick the FG at the end?

+ Why does it seem hard to get B Lloyd more involved?

+ Jason shouldn't have had to throw as much as he did.

+ The offense tired out the defense.

+ The organization is stupid for not getting Vanderjerk.

+ The reverse to ARE is getting played out. They run the reverse every week.

+

nnskinsfan · Post by **nnskinsfan** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:29 pm

I don't think we can blame it all on play-calling but we seemed to lose all the momentum early on. We had great success early on running the ball with an occasional throw. Then, we try a pass to Moss that might have actually been complete, try a trick play with RE that completely blows-up and then a 3rd down pass into the ground. After that, we never seemed the same.

Edit: The other thing that bugs me is that we don't seem to realize how much time is left in the game and how long it takes us to score.

SCSkinsFan · Post by **SCSkinsFan** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:35 pm

Post-game talk is focusing on the Ranlde-El trick playthat lost yards in the 2nd Quarter when we were up. Is that when the coaching staff (AL?) got away from what we know as Redskin Football?

redskins12287 · Post by **redskins12287** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:36 pm

Campbell had no protection all game, but still, some of those passes were just sooooooooo bad.

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:43 pm

redskins12287 wrote:Campbell had no protection all game, but still, some of those passes were just sooooooooo bad.

Sorry, but I'm not banging on Campbell....not this season.

There were too many other areas that were awful to worry about. The play calling, the Oline, the D, and even the drops.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:48 pm

Campbell missed some throws, but he also had guys in his face every time he droppped back...our pass protection is slighly better than it was with the Fun and Gun...and thats sad. Its weird that we can't pass pro better when we run block so well....

We have the ATL offense pinned on the 1 yard line and we give up a 99 yard 'drive'...really 70 yard run killed us. Thats pathetic.

Should have kicked a FG on the first trip into the Red Zone, then when we got it back and didn't kick it with under a minute...that was just retarded.

Its our fault that we're going through Growing Pains now...Campbell has been sitting on ice for a year and a half....still Brunell wouldnt have done any better...he may not have thrown any picks, but he never would have thrown that 42 yarder down to Moss.

fredp45 · Post by **fredp45** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:11 pm

Linebackers C+??? NO way... I didn't see Lemar Marshall in on any runs up the middle. Holdman was around vick when he dove to the ground -- don't remember him beyond that. Washington didn't do much either...That unit has been playing at a D or worse the whole year.

I sure hope Wms realizes he needs to make a change and he puts Rocky in.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:15 pm

Linebackers C+??? NO way... I didn't see Lemar Marshall in on any runs up the middle. Holdman was around vick when he dove to the ground -- don't remember him beyond that. Washington didn't do much either...That unit has been playing at a D or worse the whole year.

I sure hope Wms realizes he needs to make a change and he puts Rocky in.

Agreed. The linebackers, including Washington, haven't played at a high level this season. Holdman is pathetic. How he is still starting is a total mystery. Marshall hasn't done much better and is totally playing out of his natural position. He needs to be on the outside and we need to find a realy MLB.

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:25 pm

Oh, what a relief. Such a disappointing result, and I now I find that it's down to playcalling, Holdman, the new kicker. Thank God it's not down to poor execution by the whole darned team. Otherwise, we'd really be in trouble.

It's the reverse. No, it's the draw plays. No, it's the interceptions. No, the runs up the middle. It's Gregg Williams. It's going for a field goal when the game is tight, and we're within 50 yards.

It's a simple game. Run, block, catch and tackle. Any amount of playcalling and game-planning will not overcome an inability to execute the basc requirements of NFL football. Something is seriously wrong when a running back on a Joe Gibbs team runs for 150+, and the team still loses.

By the way, Andre Carter did have a good game, or so the stats say.

Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to bed.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:33 pm

Oh, what a relief. Such a disappointing result, and I now I find that it's down to playcalling, Holdman, the new kicker. Thank God it's not down to poor execution by the whole darned team. Otherwise, we'd really be in trouble.

It's the reverse. No, it's the draw plays. No, it's the interceptions. No, the runs up the middle. It's Gregg Williams. It's going for a field goal when the game is tight, and we're within 50 yards.

It's a simple game. Run, block, catch and tackle. Any amount of playcalling and game-planning will not overcome an inability to execute the basc requirements of NFL football. Something is seriously wrong when a running back on a Joe Gibbs team runs for 150+, and the team still loses.

By the way, Andre Carter did have a good game, or so the stats say.

Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to bed.

Bottom line is that this team just isn't very good. People can point to the 5 game winning streak last season but that looks more and more like an abbaration.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:48 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Coaching - F
Horrible time management. Bad play calling. Run, run, pass is not going to cut it. Running draw plays with no timeouts left and 1 min left is retarded.

QB - C
RB - A
TE - D
WR - B
Offensive line
running - A
passing - D
Defensive line
pass rush - C
run stop - C+
LB - C+
DB - B-
Safety - C+
S/T - A
K - F+

Just my humble opinion on performances.
Some quick thoughts.

+ The play calling is still a big issue.

+ Why didn't we kick the FG at the end?

+ Why does it seem hard to get B Lloyd more involved?

+ Jason shouldn't have had to throw as much as he did.

+ The offense tired out the defense.

+ The organization is stupid for not getting Vanderjerk.

+ The reverse to ARE is getting played out. They run the reverse every week.

+

You're wrong on the FG. Consider we went quickly inside the 10 yard line. That means:

- TD (5 yards), onside kick, drive to about the 30 (30 yards). We only need to move the ball 35 yards to do that.

- FG. Now we need a TD to tie, that means we need to cover 60 yards.

The rest I pretty much agree on though. We went to the no-huddle too slow, Cool

ey not going out with 2:03 hurt. Yes, the clock stopped, but if he goes out of bounds we get a free shot anywhere on the field with the clock stopping. Then we kept handing off and getting under 5 yards and burning major time. And how is Betts on 3rd down fooling them when we kept calling that play for real?

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:03 pm

Charm City Sports wrote:GW's refusal to bend, and make ajustments cost us

What does that mean?

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:05 pm

Tough game to watch. We're tackling better than we did 4 weeks ago, but not as well as we did last week.

Our o-line looked sick (in the good way, not the bad way).

Campbell showed his first rookie moments this week, in my opinion. I suppose the learning process is expected, and there is the optimism attached to it, but it doesn't make it any less painful when a pick is thrown or a ball skips a few yards in front of a receiver. Still, he played well for where he is and I loved some of the downfield shots.

If there were any doubts that we should hold on to Betts, I'd think they'd be erased after today's performance. I know that we have Duckett, and I'm not sure exactly how that's going to play out, but Betts was a monster today.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:14 pm

Our o-line looked sick (in the good way, not the bad way).

Running blocking, yes. But they were horrible in pass protection.

Skins2daGrave · Post by **Skins2daGrave** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:09 pm

the only positive thing about this game was Jason Campbell's learning. he had a couple nice throws and a couple bad ones but atleast he's learning.

USAFSkinFan · Post by **USAFSkinFan** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:24 pm

how often do we bring a blitz and the guy gets a free run at the QB... ever? But how often do other teams blitz and get a free run at our QB... often! What do we not understand about blitz pickup... they left Jason hangin' out to dry several times... you can't expect a guy in his 3rd game to read and react that fast... they set him up for failure...

oh and is there any team not expecting the Randel El reverse when he comes in the game? No!

RedskinsFreak · Post by **RedskinsFreak** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:42 pm

As contradictory as this sounds, the Redskins were a team that ran 35 times for 177 yards (Betts for 155) and yet it can be said they abandoned the run when keeping control was at its highest importance.