Very Interesting Piece on Coaching Staff

skinsfano28 · Post by **skinsfano28** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:01 pm

This is an article from ESPN.com regarding the 'arrogance' of the coaching staff and the problems surrounding the Skins. I found that the player's testimony speaks volumes about the internal problems no one sees, the problems that are masked by Joe's stern face and rehearsed postgame comments.

According to the Redskins player, Jackson then began berating his players profanely -- although he tends to go lighter on Taylor -- and they reached bottom in Philadelphia, when Donte' Stallworth beat Taylor deep for an 84-yard touchdown. Witnesses say that at that point, the other defensive coaches became officially peeved at Jackson for making Taylor "play like a robot," and for turning him into a confused, regressing player who now tunes out coaches and teammates.

"And then Steve Jackson began pouting at practice," the player said. "He pouts at practice. He'll stand by himself and won't coach anybody. This last game in Tampa, we had a player at halftime go up to him and say, 'Are you going to just sit there and pout, or are you gonna f------ coach your guys up?'"

The rest of the article is located here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2672668

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:50 pm

I knew I smelled something Fishy about GW! First horrible mistake was letting Lavar Go. Even worse is not realizing that the players make up the core of the team. Scheme without talent is nothing.

aswas71788 · Post by **aswas71788** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:55 pm

Good editorial about the Redskins. It points to what I have thought and asked several times. What is going on internally in the Redskins that has destroyed a team that played inspired football for the last half of last year?

With the talent on this team, it should not be in such disarray. Maybe it is time to get rid of some coaches.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:48 pm

I am so happy to not be a person in the public eye. That is why I do not give interviews nor do I seek the attention of the media in any way. :wink:

Here we have a piece that is mostly based on unnamed sources and speculation. Anybody that is actually named speaks positively about the team and its staff.

People, we are not going to be misguided by the media, are we?

That is why losing is so tough, if we were 7 and 3 instead, Williams would still be a genius and nobody would dare to ridicule Joe. This is garbage.

RedskinsFreak · Post by **RedskinsFreak** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:57 pm

We are being misguided by the public face the Redskins present -- and expect us to believe every word uttered.

They have a Pied Piper complex over there. They still think 'the fans' will buy into every word uttered and issued from within the walls of Fort Ashburn.

I can't see how anyone can truly think that 'If we say it, they'll believe it' has any chance of actually working in the 21st century.

old-timer · Post by **old-timer** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:04 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:I am so happy to not be a person in the public eye. That is why I do not give interviews nor do I seek the attention of the media in any way.

Here we have a piece that is mostly based on unnamed sources and speculation. Anybody that is actually named speaks positively about the team and its staff.

People, we are not going to be misguided by the media, are we?

That is why losing is so tough, if we were 7 and 3 instead, Williams would still be a genius and nobody would dare to ridicule Joe. This is garbage.

If Williams was succeeding, we'd be 7-3. He is not, that's why there are questions.

And I don't think there is any question, based on the article, that Williams' ego has been instrumental in getting rid of some very good, solid players, and replacing them with people who are not performing. Since he chooses to play GM, he should be judged on his GM abilities. And the record says, they suck. This guy needs a major ego downsizing, and if he doesn't get it, he needs to be shown the door.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:05 pm

That is why losing is so tough, if we were 7 and 3 instead, Williams would still be a genius and nobody would dare to ridicule Joe. This is garbage.

You're right, if we were 7-3 and the defense was playing well then players probably wouldn't be unhappy and GW wouldn't be catching so much flack. But we aren't 7-3 and our defense is DEAD LAST in the NFC. That is beyond pathetic. GW is in charge of that defense so he must take the blame for the way they are performing. In the last few years he has had a lot to do with us losing Pierce, Smoot, Clark, etc. so he deserves the blame for those decisions. He's the one that brought in Jackson to coach so he deserves the blame for that too. He wanted Arch and Carter and hasn't used them the way they need to be used to be succesful. Again, his fault. Not speaking to Arch since week 4, whose fault is that?? Not speaking to Lavar last season....yea that's really a great way to run a football team. Holding seperate meetings for the corners and safeties, and having seperate coaches in charge of those units is absurd. With these kinds of decisions being made by GW and the defensive staff no wonder the D is struggling so much.

If even half of this stuff about GW and his coaches is true then he deserves to get canned after the season. I've been harping about the need for continuity, but you can't keep a coach around that has lost the respect of his players.

DaSkins24 · Post by **DaSkins24** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:09 pm

Good riddance Mr. Williams.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:40 pm

DaSkins24 wrote:Good riddance Mr. Williams.

He may just need a wake up call.

First of all it's only one un-named player. this isn't coming from the whole team but I'm sure this guy isn't the only one that feels that way.

I think Gray and/or Jackson needs to go. The secondary hadn't been meeting as a unit? How do you break a Sean Taylor? If there is a saftey coach and a coners coach, shouldn't both be in the meetings TOGETHER?

I think one of them should be gone now and if things don't improve over the rest of the season I start looking at Williams and whichever one of them that was left

roybus14 · Post by **roybus14** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:52 pm

If you ask me, I think that the story is about 80-90% accurate. There have been rumblings about his arrogance before this story came out.

If you really take an honest and hard look at all that has gone on with this team this year and how a defense can fall so fast and hard like it has, something is going on over there in Ashburn and I think that Tom Friend has found the answer. So what if there is "one un-named player" that has spoken up. I seriously doubt that Tom Friend could pull the stuff going on with the Secondary Coaches out of thin air with that much detail.

How much more proof does anybody need besides this team being 3-7 with all of the talent it has and Gibbs going off on them on Wednesday. Nobody from Redskins Park has refuted what happened on Wednesday so there you have it.

Also, someone please tell exactly why all of those guys like Pierce, Clark, Smoot, Stoutmire, and Harris went elsewhere for less money, probably combined, than Carter and Archuleta??? It was reported that all Clark wanted was what Bowen's contract was. Which is close if not right on what he is getting in Pittsburgh, 4-years $7mill. with $1.6 or $1.5 mill. signing bonus.

The reported tirade that Gibbs threw on Wednesday indicated why guys are not talking. He told them he was tired of talking the blame for them. That was probably his deal with them to keep them quiet and loyal.

As soon as Gibbs figures out whether or not he is going to just let Al Saunders do his thing, you will see what this offense can really do. And until he can check Williams' attitude with this "scheme is better than the player" mentality, the defense will continue it's downward spiral.

I think that Gibbs has had it and what Mrs. Gibbs reminded him about his legacy being tarnished coming true. But I will wait and see if any similance of the Joe Gibbs 1.0 is there because Gibbs 2.0 needs to be re-installed, re-patched, and updated....

unter13 · Post by **unter13** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:09 am

HEROHAMO wrote:I knew I smelled something Fishy about GW! First horrible mistake was letting Lavar Go. Even worse is not realizing that the players make up the core of the team. Scheme without talent is nothing.

This guy brings up Arrington every chance he gets. herohamo is either a fake Redskins fan or the biggest wise guy ever.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:21 am

herohamo is either a fake Redskins fan or the biggest wise guy ever.

Maybe HEROHAMO is Lavar.

aswas71788 · Post by **aswas71788** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:30 am

The editorial is note presneting anything that is new. There have been several articles where players have made some comments about performance issues. If it is true that one of the coaches is standing around pouting, he needs to be gone.

I do not know why Williams failed in Buffalo but I seem to remember that the team just kind of quit, sorta like our defense.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:34 am

1niksder wrote:
DaSkins24 wrote:Good riddance Mr. Williams.

He may just need a wake up call.

First of all it's only one un-named player. this isn't coming from the whole team but I'm sure this guy isn't the only one that feels that way.

I think Gray and/or Jackson needs to go. The secondary hadn't been meeting as a unit? How do you break a Sean Taylor? If there is a saftey coach and a coners coach, shouldn't both be in the meetings TOGETHER?

I think one of them should be gone now and if things don't improve over the rest of the season I start looking at Williams and whichever one of them that was left

One player? Why have so many of our good players left? Smoot,Pierce,Arrington,Clark. Whos next? Will this trend continue? If this keeps happening we will know by next off season if it is GW.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:39 am

unter13 wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:I knew I smelled something Fishy about GW! First horrible mistake was letting Lavar Go. Even worse is not realizing that the players make up the core of the team. Scheme without talent is nothing.

This guy brings up Arrington every chance he gets. herohamo is either a fake Redskins fan or the biggest wise guy ever.

Dude u with 65 post questions me as a fan! Son I am a true fan. Lavar was a true redskin he played his heart out for this team. How did we treat him by cutting loose because our second year coach wanted him gone. That is exactly why we are where we are. NO LOYALTY!! The Redskins of the Past built theyre success one player at a time. They sure didnt betray theyre players.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:02 am

skinsfano28 wrote:This is an article from ESPN.com regarding the 'arrogance' of the coaching staff and the problems surrounding the Skins. I found that the player's testimony speaks volumes about the internal problems no one sees, the problems that are masked by Joe's stern face and rehearsed postgame comments.

According to the Redskins player, Jackson then began berating his players profanely -- although he tends to go lighter on Taylor -- and they reached bottom in Philadelphia, when Donte' Stallworth beat Taylor deep for an 84-yard touchdown. Witnesses say that at that point, the other defensive coaches became officially peeved at Jackson for making Taylor "play like a robot," and for turning him into a confused, regressing player who now tunes out coaches and teammates.

"And then Steve Jackson began pouting at practice," the player said. "He pouts at practice. He'll stand by himself and won't coach anybody. This last game in Tampa, we had a player at halftime go up to him and say, 'Are you going to just sit there and pout, or are you gonna f------ coach your guys up?'"

The rest of the article is located here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2672668

Harsh article!!!! Call me a homer, but I can't believe it! I just can't believe a member of Gibbs coaching staff would pout!!! But we are losing and if this story is true then this coach better find his place or go away! This is Coach Gibbs we're talking about! He's in the Hall of Fame! If you can't coach with him GET OUT!!!!

On second thought.......what am I saying!!!! 'SCREW' ESPN!!!! Didn't they say that they would walk from Bristol to Washington Butt Naked and didn't do it!!!! Coach Gibbs called them out on it and this is just their bullcrud pay back!!!!!!

I"m sick of these negative articles!!!! I just hope Gibbs can call them out again!!!

skinsfano28 · Post by **skinsfano28** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:23 am

they were discussing this article all night on triplexespn radio...really interesting to hear what they were saying.

the part about jackson running his own meetings and gray running his own meetings was baffling to me, why would you ever do that? that's like running meetings for OLBs and MLBs separately, just because they play a differently named position in the same area...it doesn't make sense.

my opinon? you have one head coach-Joe Gibbs. you have one offensive coordinator-Joe Gibbs. you have one offensive line coach-Joe Bugel. you have one passing game coordinator-Don Breaux.

Defensively...one guy to run the defense. Gregg Willliams sans the attitude. if anyone can get it through his thick skull that he's hurting the team with this reported arrogance, its Joe Gibbs. This whole operation is his, and he needs to not take responsibility for the players, but for his team of coaches. too many chefs in the kitchen, but none of them know how to boil the water.

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:50 am

I've said it elsewhere - I'm concerned that for all the former head coaches that this team has, Joe Gibbs may have removed himself too far from the role of head coach right now. He may just be starting to realise that he is still head and shoulders above everybody else in Washington in terms of managing a team, and if that means that he starts to hold coaches as well as players accountable for this year's debacle, then this show can soon be back on the road.

I don't believe everything that I read in articles that endlessly quote unnamed players, but something is definitely broken in Washington, and nobody should be above taking the blame.

cleg · Post by **cleg** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:05 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:I am so happy to not be a person in the public eye. That is why I do not give interviews nor do I seek the attention of the media in any way.

Here we have a piece that is mostly based on unnamed sources and speculation. Anybody that is actually named speaks positively about the team and its staff.

People, we are not going to be misguided by the media, are we?

That is why losing is so tough, if we were 7 and 3 instead, Williams would still be a genius and nobody would dare to ridicule Joe. This is garbage.

Are you a famous person?

cleg · Post by **cleg** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:07 am

I am starting to get a feeling that Gibbs is going to blow up this team. Not neccisarily the players but all the coaches. He's gone on record saying that he is planning on being here next year and he is not too proud to admit mistakes. I could really see him dumping some of these assistant coaches and being more hands on. Maybe I am just being optimistic.,

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:39 am

cleg wrote:I am starting to get a feeling that Gibbs is going to blow up this team. Not neccisarily the players but all the coaches. He's gone on record saying that he is planning on being here next year and he is not too proud to admit mistakes. I could really see him dumping some of these assistant coaches and being more hands on. Maybe I am just being optimistic.,

I actually agree with you. I heard that Gibbs also was bashing the coaches in his tirade on Wednesday, not just the players. Gibbs is a character guy. If Williams / Jackson are truely walking around with an arrogant attitude, I'm quite sure Gibbs won't stand for that sh..tuff.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:47 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:..Here we have a piece that is mostly based on unnamed sources and speculation. Anybody that is actually named speaks positively about the team and its staff.

and by that bastion of accurate reporting - ESPN!

People, we are not going to be misguided by the media, are we?

That is why losing is so tough, if we were 7 and 3 instead, Williams would still be a genius and nobody would dare to ridicule Joe. This is garbage.

I agree RiC _ everyone is entitled to their opinions and I'm sure there are some issues in the locker room, but IMO, this is primarily because we are not doing well. These guys are very frustrated but I do believe the problems will be quickly put aside when we start to get things together. This has got to be very frustrating for both players and coaches.

But this is garbage - I am sure that this is mostly conjecture.

ii7-V7 · Post by **ii7-V7** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:35 am

At first I didn't want to believe this. My thought was that Joe would never allow this to happen. But Joe also isn't likely to fire his D-Coord and Safeties coach mid season. Joe knows that Gregg Williams is (was?) a hero in this town. But that makes me go back to the hiring of Saunders. Did Gibbs forsee the players quiting on Williams....like they did in Buffalo. (It would be interesting to speak with some Bills fans to see what they think about G.W.) Perhaps Gibss started to feel less and less sure about his choice of predecessor? But if thats true why give him a 1 million dollar bonus? Why give in to his bad personnel decisions?

I'm surprised that know one has tried to guess who the unnamed player is? I'm pretty confident that its Shawn Springs. It has to be a secondary guy, and it can't be Carlos, or Taylor, because the "player" mentions them in the third person. It can't be Archuletta, Fox, Wright, Rumph or Vincent.....because they haven't been here long enough. If you look at the language it seems to follow his speech patterns. It just sounds like Springs. I have respect for Shawn Springs, and I buy what he is saying.

Chad

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:07 am

aswas71788 wrote:Good editorial about the Redskins. It points to what I have thought and asked several times. What is going on internally in the Redskins that has destroyed a team that played inspired football for the last half of last year?

With the talent on this team, it should not be in such disarray. Maybe it is time to get rid of some coaches.

Good editorial? It is repeatious and shallow with the author demonstrating a firm grasp of the obvious. He simply repeats issues everyone has been poiting to all year with a lot of smack thrown in.

I'm not defending anyone on the Redskins, but I'd like to hear some insights or specific proposals, not just another Redskin hater jumping at the chance to pile on and repeat what everyone knows.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:10 am

HEROHAMO wrote:
unter13 wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:I knew I smelled something Fishy about GW! First horrible mistake was letting Lavar Go. Even worse is not realizing that the players make up the core of the team. Scheme without talent is nothing.

This guy brings up Arrington every chance he gets. herohamo is either a fake Redskins fan or the biggest wise guy ever.
Dude u with 65 post questions me as a fan! Son I am a true fan. Lavar was a true redskin he played his heart out for this team. How did we treat him by cutting loose because our second year coach wanted him gone. That is exactly why we are where we are. NO LOYALTY!! The Redskins of the Past built theyre success one player at a time. They sure didnt betray theyre players.

LaVar betrayed us. Wahhhh, I want another bonus. Sob, sob. I can't play for 60 million. Sniffle, sniffle. It was worth getting rid of him just to get him to shut up. BTW, the Giants are up the road, you can watch your beloved Lavar there. Oops, you can't, he's on IR AGAIN.

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