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If this team was coached by anybody other than Joe Gibbs, would you call for their heads on a pike for this utterly rancid season?
Be honest please.
For the record, I want Gibbs fired....as general manager, he is in way over his head but he needs to bring an edge back next year.
Be honest please.
For the record, I want Gibbs fired....as general manager, he is in way over his head but he needs to bring an edge back next year.
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i don't think there's any question that any other human being on the planet would at a MINIMUM be stripped of his GM duties after this year's personnel debacles. that is simply beyond any rational disagreement.
as for gibbs as a coach... as i've said a billion times, it's obvious that the nonsensical devotion to brunell was shockingly indefensible. combine that with a 3-year history of horrifically abysmal game management (not limited to, but exemplified by the "we have a 3 point lead at the beginning of the 4th quarter! let's try to "grind out the clock!" strategy, which inevitably resulted in 3 runs for a yard each then a punt, over and over until we were suddenly in catch-up mode and ran out of time.) i would say just about anyone else would be in serious danger of being sent packing.
as for gibbs as a coach... as i've said a billion times, it's obvious that the nonsensical devotion to brunell was shockingly indefensible. combine that with a 3-year history of horrifically abysmal game management (not limited to, but exemplified by the "we have a 3 point lead at the beginning of the 4th quarter! let's try to "grind out the clock!" strategy, which inevitably resulted in 3 runs for a yard each then a punt, over and over until we were suddenly in catch-up mode and ran out of time.) i would say just about anyone else would be in serious danger of being sent packing.
Well of course if it was any other coach than say maybe Vince Lombardi. We all would be calling for his head. But this is Joe Gibss nuff said bout that. Well Gibbs did show alot of faith in Brunell but at least hes man enough to make the change.
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Re: I want to know
ChampGreen2428 wrote:If this team was coached by anybody other than Joe Gibbs, would you call for their heads on a pike for this utterly rancid season?
Be honest please.
For the record, I want Gibbs fired....as general manager, he is in way over his head but he needs to bring an edge back next year.
Humm....So let me get this straight. You are pointing out that were it not the coach who had won 3 superbowls, the only 3 superbowl wins in our history, then we would treat him differently.
no duh.
And by the way, we have tried the coaching carosel you propose and that wasn't working out so well. Maybe we should try sticking to a coach and team for awhile rather than continuing to churn. And I can't think of any better leader to make this attempt than the only guy who's led us to a superbowl win in our history.
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Great question.
Gibbs isnt even a coach anymore. There are 15 Coaches with some kind of "Head Coach" in their title on the staff.
It's a freaking joke.
How can you coach like that?
Nothing this team does works out. Free Agency. Their drafts are pretty weak and they bring back a freakin Hall of Fame deity and its a bust!
The D was ranked 9th last year and this year it's 30th...
I love Gibbs for what he did in the 20th century but his weak .400 winning percentage aint cutting it. That's Spurrier territory.
Gibbs isnt even a coach anymore. There are 15 Coaches with some kind of "Head Coach" in their title on the staff.
It's a freaking joke.
How can you coach like that?
Nothing this team does works out. Free Agency. Their drafts are pretty weak and they bring back a freakin Hall of Fame deity and its a bust!
The D was ranked 9th last year and this year it's 30th...
I love Gibbs for what he did in the 20th century but his weak .400 winning percentage aint cutting it. That's Spurrier territory.
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I personally wouldn't be calling for anyone else's head, and it seems to me like it would be a mistake to do so.
Forget about Gibbs for one moment. What coach should lose his job when:
* He took over a Spurrier-led team.
* He had a disappointing 6-10 season but made solid moves to build the squad and even showed some promise at the end.
* He led us to the divisional playoff round in his 2nd season.
* He's now struggling this year, but has some things going that are very promising. (Al Saunders, our WR core, our QB. . .)
Only 3 years into his contract, only 1 year removed from the playoffs, and when our coach presides over a single mediocre / bad season we're going to call for Snyder to fire the guy?
Aye aye aye, no wonder Washington hasn't built any consistency in the last decade or so.
Forget about Gibbs for one moment. What coach should lose his job when:
* He took over a Spurrier-led team.
* He had a disappointing 6-10 season but made solid moves to build the squad and even showed some promise at the end.
* He led us to the divisional playoff round in his 2nd season.
* He's now struggling this year, but has some things going that are very promising. (Al Saunders, our WR core, our QB. . .)
Only 3 years into his contract, only 1 year removed from the playoffs, and when our coach presides over a single mediocre / bad season we're going to call for Snyder to fire the guy?
Aye aye aye, no wonder Washington hasn't built any consistency in the last decade or so.

Re: I want to know
KazooSkinsFan wrote:And by the way, we have tried the coaching carosel you propose and that wasn't working out so well. Maybe we should try sticking to a coach and team for awhile rather than continuing to churn. And I can't think of any better leader to make this attempt than the only guy who's led us to a superbowl win in our history.
This is really what it comes down to.
I thoroughly believe that our "system" of aquiring free agents and giving away draft picks is the beggest issue that we have now. Constant turnover, changing philiosophies, etc. is what stops us from being competetive. So, no! If we had another coach I wouldn't be calling for his head either. We need some consistency. And as much as I am upset at the "system," I can't deny that our player decisions have improved under Gibbs. We still have busts, but at least they are young busts in positions of need.
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I think that there are several things going on here that we can place blame all around.
Coaches - poor game managment; lack of intensity in training camp; lack of game time adjustments; blindling loyalty to an aged and injured QB; arrogance into thinking that you can plug anymore into your defensive scheme and not keeping "core guys"; not holding players accountable; inability to "coach'um up"; failure to develop from within;
Players - lack of respect for a HOF Coach resulting in lack of effort; lack of pride in their jobs; lack of respect for the fundamentals of the game; getting punked in the 3rd Quarter; lack of respect for the legions of fans by playing so awful;
Management - Einsteins at marketing, dum-azzez at player managment; inability to hire a qualified and experienced GM; over spending for has beens or players that can't play; failure to develop continuity in the organization with the revolving door of coaches and players; failure to develop from within; lack of respect for the fans by jacking up the price of going to a game and putting a crapping product in front of them to see;
Coaches - poor game managment; lack of intensity in training camp; lack of game time adjustments; blindling loyalty to an aged and injured QB; arrogance into thinking that you can plug anymore into your defensive scheme and not keeping "core guys"; not holding players accountable; inability to "coach'um up"; failure to develop from within;
Players - lack of respect for a HOF Coach resulting in lack of effort; lack of pride in their jobs; lack of respect for the fundamentals of the game; getting punked in the 3rd Quarter; lack of respect for the legions of fans by playing so awful;
Management - Einsteins at marketing, dum-azzez at player managment; inability to hire a qualified and experienced GM; over spending for has beens or players that can't play; failure to develop continuity in the organization with the revolving door of coaches and players; failure to develop from within; lack of respect for the fans by jacking up the price of going to a game and putting a crapping product in front of them to see;
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Fios wrote:If I understand the poll correctly, are we assuming we'd have some other coach with several heads? Because I might have to opt for that just for the novelty
It's a pointless poll anyway.
- Gibbs is completely to blame for everything in Washington including Spurrier, the traffic and partisan bickering in congress
- Gibbs is angelic and above reproach and anyone who even questions the color of his socks is a devil worshiper going straight to hell.
Pick one
no way you call for any coaches head at this point.
gibbs said it best just the other day,
we need to find a sense of team. what kind of team are we? if we change coaches is that going to help the team gel? is that going to inspire confidence? nope.
part of the problem, IMO, that we are having this year is the fact that we changed O styles. we got a new OC! do we need to change coaches again and confuse the crap out of campbell?? nope.
Gibbs has a contract. let him organize the system he thinks cen help us win and when he moves to a different position within the organization we can judge his moves then. till then trust in gibbs and let it ride!!
gibbs said it best just the other day,
we need to find a sense of team. what kind of team are we? if we change coaches is that going to help the team gel? is that going to inspire confidence? nope.
part of the problem, IMO, that we are having this year is the fact that we changed O styles. we got a new OC! do we need to change coaches again and confuse the crap out of campbell?? nope.
Gibbs has a contract. let him organize the system he thinks cen help us win and when he moves to a different position within the organization we can judge his moves then. till then trust in gibbs and let it ride!!
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im a Gibbs loyal to death. Hell yes he is a great coach but he has made some questionable decisions, first of all, why would you hand over the playcalling duties over when you've won 3 superbowls while calling the plays? this was just stunning to me, and second of all, why bring in all these damn FA on defense and offense when we were doing great with the guys we already had?? a HOF coach should have known that keeping a team together is what makes it better, not getting high priced free agents that bust year in and year out.
nontheless, 07 is our year.
nontheless, 07 is our year.
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Skins2daGrave wrote:im a Gibbs loyal to death. Hell yes he is a great coach but he has made some questionable decisions, first of all, why would you hand over the play calling duties over when you've won 3 superbowls while calling the plays? this was just stunning to me, and second of all, why bring in all these damn FA on defense and offense when we were doing great with the guys we already had?? a HOF coach should have known that keeping a team together is what makes it better, not getting high priced free agents that bust year in and year out.
nontheless, 07 is our year.
I'm a loyal Gibbs fan too. Good points, to take a swipe at your Qs from my perspective:
1) Why would you hand over the play calling duties over when you've won 3 superbowls while calling the plays?
- I think he did this because Saunders was available. Saunders is from the same Air Corelle school Gibbs is from and he has obviously been very successful. That way Gibbs felt part of the O while being "updated" since his first stint. Even Jansen said they were running a "12 year old offense." My hypothisis is Gibbs thinks he will be here longer than Saunders and he will benefit. If it were not a guru from the same system as him, I don't think he would have done it. And I think he deserves a lot of credit for sacrificing his personal control for the sake of the team. I see no reason at all to think their O woes are becuase of Saunders.
- why bring in all these damn FA on defense and offense when we were doing great with the guys we already had??
On O, you have to admit 2 receivers made sense. They have actually been good too, when the QB gets them the ball. We weren't kicking anyone out, we had

On D, that's Williams, but certainly going for pass rush and improving the secondary made sense, though the choices have not worked out.
- a HOF coach should have known that keeping a team together is what makes it better, not getting high priced free agents that bust year in and year out.
I agree, but now it's time to learn from that mistake and do it. Though is this really that different from Gibbs first stint? We were always trading draft picks then too. Just now we have a more open free agent system as well.
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The coaching staff isn't the problem imo. The main problem with this team is the organization of the front office. Cerrato is an idiot when it comes to football decisions. He ruined the 49ers organization and has sucked here. Snyder knows nothing about football. The scouting department is a joke. Gibbs is spread to thin. This team will continue with the inconsistant play until a GM that understands the value of the draft and believes in continuity and developing your own players is brought in.
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SkinzCanes wrote:The coaching staff isn't the problem imo. The main problem with this team is the organization of the front office. Cerrato is an idiot when it comes to football decisions. He ruined the 49ers organization and has sucked here. Snyder knows nothing about football. The scouting department is a joke. Gibbs is spread to thin. This team will continue with the inconsistant play until a GM that understands the value of the draft and believes in continuity and developing your own players is brought in.
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