First - I don't care if you think you he made good points. That is your opinion, which you have a right to.
Understand - I am not knocking that. I am knocking the delivery - ok?
Secondly - Arrington was one of the guys calling him 50/50. I think it might have been Bruce that coined it though.
I agree with you that Gardner is better than most people think, which is why I thought it was really strange you jumped on me when I essentially was arguing for him not to be gone because he showed his potential in 2002, but had a bad year in 2003 - go back and read what I put up there in my first post.
As far as the stats - go down to the current year- there is a neat stat here called "trgt" which is the number of times Gardner was targeted. 59 divided by 115 = 51.3%
Here is the URL:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/5462/
You might want to think that as a moderator and a writer on here I don't just pull numbers out of thin air - I usually have proof. If I screw up - I admit it - but in this case he was nearly 50/50.
I would expect Gardner to have better stats with a better QB, absolutely. I am not arguing that he didn't have good stats - what I said was that FOR HIM, IN COMPARISON TO 2002, it was a bad year.
However - in regard to your assertion that Gardner was not far behind Coles:
Coles - 59 rec - 880 yds - 4 TD - 14.91 ypc through game 11
Gardner - 45 rec - 467 yds - 4 TD - 10.37 ypc
He was behind him. I made a mistake regarding the number of balls thrown Coles, but not in the number thrown Gardner. Yes - they both had problems after Hasselbeck came in. (which is the perfect argument for the Brunell pickup).
If you want to see a great WR - look at Coles #'s from 2002 to 2003. Wanna talk having issues? He changed Teams, QBs, Offenses, had a broken foot for 12-13 games and still ended up either a mirror image of 2002 or slightly better.
My main problem is that you and Superman did two things - you didn't read before you jumped, because if you had you would have seen I was arguing FOR Gardner OVER McCants. Secondly, you made statements in a tone that was inappropriate. Everyone has a right to state their opinions on here. I don't care if you disagree, just be polite.
As a moderator, it is my job, and one I respect and do well, to enforce that people are not jumping on people rather than arguing points. I understand that you have good points, such as the Hasselbeck thing, but there are two ways to bring that up.
I hope you understand the difference.
, first of all everyone who is drafted into the NFL has potential, it is those with the desire and who persevere that succeed. Does Gardner have desire? How about D-Mac? You bet they do! As for who has more, we'll let that be decided at camp. Both of them will thrive off from one another as will Coles in Gibbs' offense. No desire and No Burgundy and Gold, thats how it works under Gibbs. Let him decide, and we'll support him like we always had, have, and will.
