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Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:46 pm

wbbradb, I would say that you are missing:

Griffin
Daniels
Springs
Washington
Marshall
Sellers
Rock
Cool

ey

All talented by your definition, as I see it.

wbbradb · Post by **wbbradb** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:55 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:wbbradb, I would say that you are missing:

Griffin
Daniels
Springs
Washington
Marshall
Sellers
Rock
ey

All talented by your definition, as I see it.

I will give you Washington. The others are all GOOD players, don't get me wrong, but I don't think they are game changers. Springs is very good, and of course he's extremely important to the team--but I just don't think he's that much better than number 1 corners on other teams. Guys like Sellers and Rock are solid players with real heart and 100% effort every down, but I would not consider them extraordinarily talented (compared with other NFL players).

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:09 pm

the only reason gibbs' blind devotion to MB04 isn't considered insanity is because we live in a country where dogmatic faith that disregards all rational evidence is inexlicably still considered to be within the standards of rational thought.

QB ratings and the stat sheet don't reflect "errors" like they do in the baseball. a QB can commit many other errors than simply throwing an interception. yes, he is the worst QB in the league, or at least one of the worst 3 or 4.

Like Brian Mitchell said on postgame, there is no other team in the NFL that would let Boonell start for them. I thought about what he said and I think he's right. While some qb's are struggling more, like Walters, atleast they are young and their teams are building for the future. Boonell has to go now. Playoffs are out of the question for this team and its time to start building for the future with Campbell.

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:33 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:
the only reason gibbs' blind devotion to MB04 isn't considered insanity is because we live in a country where dogmatic faith that disregards all rational evidence is inexplicably still considered to be within the standards of rational thought.

QB ratings and the stat sheet don't reflect "errors" like they do in the baseball. a QB can commit many other errors than simply throwing an interception. yes, he is the worst QB in the league, or at least one of the worst 3 or 4.

Like Brian Mitchell said on postgame, there is no other team in the NFL that would let Boonell start for them. I thought about what he said and I think he's right. While some qb's are struggling more, like Walters, atleast they are young and their teams are building for the future. Boonell has to go now. Playoffs are out of the question for this team and its time to start building for the future with Campbell.

yes, absolutely. and i would add, any other coach who insisted on sticking with brunell would almost certainly be in serious jeopardy of losing his job. take that for whatever it's worth, but i am sure it is true.

El Mexican · Post by **El Mexican** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:31 pm

The key word is "consistency".

Our defensive and offensive lack of consistency are reflective of what happens year in and year out personel-wise.

Right now we are looking a lot like those middle and late 90's Skins teams that every week invented news ways to loose. Absolutely exasperating games. Yet, when really wanted to win they comitted to the run.

The only two times I have seen these Danny-era Skins play with consistency was last year's five game winning strech and the last five games of the Marty era, when we finished 8-8 and looked inspired.

So, yes, we suck.

Oh, and one other thing: for all you fans who think we should fire Gibbs--try to make a bit more sense. Gibbs will NEVER be fired from Washington. Can you honestly fantom the animosity towards The Danny if he does that? The only way we see Gibbs go is if he walks out by himself.

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:09 am

El Mexican wrote:The key word is "consistency".

Our defensive and offensive lack of consistency are reflective of what happens year in and year out personel-wise.

Right now we are looking a lot like those middle and late 90's Skins teams that every week invented news ways to loose. Absolutely exasperating games. Yet, when really wanted to win they comitted to the run.

The only two times I have seen these Danny-era Skins play with consistency was last year's five game winning strech and the last five games of the Marty era, when we finished 8-8 and looked inspired.

So, yes, we suck.

Oh, and one other thing: for all you fans who think we should fire Gibbs--try to make a bit more sense. Gibbs will NEVER be fired from Washington. Can you honestly fantom the animosity towards The Danny if he does that? The only way we see Gibbs go is if he walks out by himself.

i don't think anyone thinks gibbs ever WILL be fired.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:28 am

I have yet to see anybody name a candidate to replace Gibbs. You hear people want him fired but have no plan afterwards.

SCSkinsFan · Post by **SCSkinsFan** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:05 am

wbbradb wrote:Whoever was asking about the play where Carlos Rogers didn't look back for the ball has to be more specific. Carlos NEVER looks back for the ball. I honestly don't know how you can ever expect to intercept a pass if you don't ever look for the ball. Kenny Wright looks much better than Carlos right now, and that's not a good thing.

Does anyone know how long that field goal would have been when we were around their 35 yard line with about 4 minutes to go and decided to punt? I don't know exactly what yard line it was, but I thought, you've got to try to get the points and at least tie it up...

My real point was that if his technique is to wait for the receiver to run by him and get two strides on him before he starts trying to catch up and cover him, then he will never have any idea where the ball is, and will continue to get burned. And Kenny the Cushion is always 2 - 3 strides of the receiver too. Jerry Gray needs to put some serious schooling on the DB's. Should have all been done in Pre-Season. And lastly, while ST is obviously a great tackler, it is obvious that he also lacks coverage skills. He is looking lost when he has to cover someone.

ClintonHill · Post by **ClintonHill** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:30 pm

Re: The lack of rush attempts against the Titans...

Does anyone else think the Titans were just stacking the line, daring us to pass deep? (which, of course, we can't do.) Something tells me Al Saunders knows the value of a good running game. But you can't run when teams don't respect the passing game. Right now we have no downfield passing game. All we have is screen passes that Santana sometimes takes to the house.

This leads us to Brunell, I guess. I think he's the reason we don't have a downfield passing game. I also think he never gets beyond Moss & Cool

ey in his progressions. It's very hard to get a passing game going when you never even look to your 2nd WR.

Basically stack the run and double cover Santana and you have us stopped.

twocatscats · Post by **twocatscats** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:29 pm

It's not Gibbs who needs to be fired, it's Snyder. How do you have a payroll so fat with talent so thin you have Brunell, a borderline backup QB, as your starter? Why do you trade away a Champ Bailey? So we can watch him make world-class defensive plays every week for the Broncos?

I don't get it. :roll:

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:07 am

Gibbs wanted Brunell, not Snyder. Lately, Snyder has simply been writing the checks. If you're going to complain about personnel, complain to Gibbs.

Judge · Post by **Judge** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:01 pm

Our team is a joke again.

All the good that was done last season (sweeping the Cowboys, winning five in a row to make the playoffs, and then winning a playoff game) has been turned into a very distant and fading memory.

They will be very lucky to win a total of five games at this point. The cellar of the division is theirs to lose.

So, how to fix it?

Well, I'm no expert, but...

Dump Saunders' offense.

Dump Brunell.

Get aggressive on defense again.

Quit taking STUPID penalties.

Those things sure wouldn't hurt. And since this season is already lost, they might as well tinker and experiment right now. No need to wait till training camp.

I'm past caring about them having a respectable record this season. I just want to see that they give a damn about the future.