Overcoached????

[roybus14]

Is the defense being overcoached or overloaded with too much information in the days leading up to the game that has them thinking too much on the field instead of just playing?

The reason I ask is because I listened to Joe Sa'l. on the radio last night and he said that they are given so much information leading up to game. These guys are defensive players that are reacting to what the offense does or anticipates what they will do. Why are they getting all of this information? Is all of this information got them thinking instead of playing and therefore making them incapable of making plays.



Your Thoughts???

[gay4pacman]

you got me thinking too much...

[SkinzCanes]

Is the defense being overcoached or overloaded with too much information in the days leading up to the game that has them thinking too much on the field instead of just playing?

I don't think that it has anything to do with coaching. The problem on defense is lack of talent. There is no depth and most of the starters that we have are either too old (Wynn, Daniels), aren't very good (Carter, Holdman, AA, Wright, Rumph), or are playing out of position (Marshall). Aside from Taylor, Washington, and Springs we don't really have any players on defense that are capable of making plays on a consistant basis. You can't lose key guys every offseason (Pierce, Smoot, Clarck) and expect to continue playing at a high level. Throw in the total wasting of draft picks and you end up having guys like Montgomery and Boschetti playing serious minutes. These guys don't even belong on an NFL roster, let alone a starting lineup.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Is the defense being overcoached or overloaded with too much information in the days leading up to the game that has them thinking too much on the field instead of just playing?

I think they would be giving up fewer points if they played better.

[nnskinsfan]

Is the defense being overcoached or overloaded with too much information in the days leading up to the game that has them thinking too much on the field instead of just playing?

The reason I ask is because I listened to Joe Sa'l. on the radio last night and he said that they are given so much information leading up to game. These guys are defensive players that are reacting to what the offense does or anticipates what they will do. Why are they getting all of this information? Is all of this information got them thinking instead of playing and therefore making them incapable of making plays.



Your Thoughts???

It appears to me that some of the players don't know the defense very well. There have been too many big plays with guys wide open (not even a defender close). Williams has said more than once they've had a coverage called that was supposed to protect against a certain play only to have that exact play work against us for a big gain. So, I guess in a sense I agree with what you said. The uncertainity might be causing them to hesitate a little and by the time they've figured it out, the receiver is long gone. I seem to recall reading about another defense recently that was really struggling and over their bye they simplified the D and have been doing great since then (can't recall the team at the moment). Maybe with some newer guys in the secondary, we should be doing the same thing until everyone is on the same page.

Also, if we had a fierce pass rush, I think a lot of this would be offset but since we don't, the problems in the secondary are magnified.

[I remember the good]

It's coaching as well they get beat by the same play every game week after week the middle post route. If your starter keeps getting burned you bench him to teach accountability. Williams is so arrogant and to have the worse converage safety starting and then on top of that give him the richest contract ever for a safety? PLEASE that is INSANE, but hey Williams said anyone can play in his defense provided he does his assignment! That is a crock and honestly the arrogance is ridiculous, these defensive coaches are acting out Madden 07 in real life and we are forced to have to deal with this crap.

[roybus14]

It's coaching as well they get beat by the same play every game week after week the middle post route. If your starter keeps getting burned you bench him to teach accountability. Williams is so arrogant and to have the worse converage safety starting and then on top of that give him the richest contract ever for a safety? PLEASE that is INSANE, but hey Williams said anyone can play in his defense provided he does his assignment! That is a crock and honestly the arrogance is ridiculous, these defensive coaches are acting out Madden 07 in real life and we are forced to have to deal with this crap.

I think that says it all. Alot of people want to put why guys like Clark, Pierce, and Smoot walked on those guys but the question is why did they REALLY leave????

[The Hogster]

The problem is in our scouting and personell. In Greg Williams' first year here, the defense was ranked #3 without having a great pass rusher and without Lavar Arrington.

Our mistake was underestimating the worth of Antonio Pierce ( who was not even slated the starter until Barrows knees went bad)

We also underestimated the value of Fred Smoot and Ryan Clark.

I think Greg Williams fell victim to all of the praise that he was getting...the top notch defense, and the so called genius scheme....coaches get big-headed too...and they think that "Hey it's MY scheme ...and its not the players.

Greg Williams just like any other coach must understand that you win with good players....you can't just plug and play with lesser talent because everyone tells you that "your scheme" is awesome.

To further compound the problem....we have been hypocrites....we say that we won't pay Smoot more than Springs because Springs is the better corner..then we sign a guy like Archuletta and pay him more than Sean Taylor (who's the better safety there?"

We say we can't afford to resign Ryan Clark, but promptly pay Archuletta a ton of money to come in and play the exact same position ( worse than Clark I might add)

We talk about keeping the "team together" well how can you do that when you are constantly slapping your homegrown talent in the face by not rewarded great play for Redskins, but rewarding some guy for his play while on another team? Sounds like real team stuff to me.

At this point, we don't have a team, we have a group of individuals.

[BearSkins]

At this point, we don't have a team, we have a group of individuals.

Perfect summation. Ya just hit the nail on the head with the hammer. Wuestion is: who's to blame for that? Is it down to coached or is it down to personnel selection?

[roybus14]

The problem is in our scouting and personell. In Greg Williams' first year here, the defense was ranked #3 without having a great pass rusher and without Lavar Arrington.

Our mistake was underestimating the worth of Antonio Pierce ( who was not even slated the starter until Barrows knees went bad)

We also underestimated the value of Fred Smoot and Ryan Clark.

I think Greg Williams fell victim to all of the praise that he was getting...the top notch defense, and the so called genius scheme....coaches get big-headed too...and they think that "Hey it's MY scheme ...and its not the players.

Greg Williams just like any other coach must understand that you win with good players....you can't just plug and play with lesser talent because everyone tells you that "your scheme" is awesome.

To further compound the problem....we have been hypocrites....we say that we won't pay Smoot more than Springs because Springs is the better corner..then we sign a guy like Archuletta and pay him more than Sean Taylor (who's the better safety there?"

We say we can't afford to resign Ryan Clark, but promptly pay Archuletta a ton of money to come in and play the exact same position ( worse than Clark I might add)

We talk about keeping the "team together" well how can you do that when you are constantly slapping your homegrown talent in the face by not rewarded great play for Redskins, but rewarding some guy for his play while on another team? Sounds like real team stuff to me.

At this point, we don't have a team, we have a group of individuals.

Well I think that sums up our defensive woes......

And you know, by this organization "poo-pooing" in the faces of homegrown guys, players are only going to come for the money and nothing else. Not to win but to get paid.

The best post about our problems on this board to date. Great job!!!!!!!

[die cowboys die]

At this point, we don't have a team, we have a group of individuals.

Perfect summation. Ya just hit the nail on the head with the hammer. Wuestion is: who's to blame for that? Is it down to coached or is it down to personnel selection?

either way, it is the responsibility of joe gibbs.

[tcwest10]

No, no. Not overcoached. We don't have any more coaches than most other teams do. We'll be fine. Indy can't beat us this week.
These last few years, we do our best playing when our backs are against the wall.

[Britskin]

It does seem that we need to be up against it to get our best done but it shouldn`t be that way. That last defeat was gut wrenching - good teams do not lose at home (when they really need the win ) to winless teams who can`t stop the run , particularly after being 14-3 up. There has been a huge investment on the coaching side of things. I think that coaching is the problem - I`m not close enough to the action to know exactly what the issues are. Are the offensive and defensive coordinators having their own separate competition and taking their eyes of the real job? Certainly, Daniel Snyder isn`t getting a fraction of value for money with the job they`re doing - its already past rolling sleeves up time!