I Just Watched.....

[roybus14]

the Arizona Cardinals cough up a game they clearly had won and would have with a Rookie QB that threw the ball 42 times without one int. They were able to put 23 points on the board with a rookie QB and no running game against a defense that are drawing comparisions to the '86' Bears defense.

Whomever the Offensive Coordinator is for Arizona called a great game that tailored to his Rookie QB. He set this kid up with simple rollout passes and intermediate stuff to the outside. Pretty basic throws for a QB. Now I am sure that their OC is not making $2 million a year like ours.

If not for their inability to run the ball, Arizona would have beaten the Bears tonight led by a Rookie QB.


Now I say all of this because it's time for us to make that change and for Al Saunders to look in his 700 page play book and come up with a game-plan that will protect Campbell but also give him valuable game-experience. PLAY THIS KID OR TELL US, THE PAYING FANS, THAT JC IS NOT THE ONE and get it over with. Another team in this league that has a young starting QB.

[Champsturf]

Even without the running game, they should've won. They did get too conservative at then end, on the FG attempt drive. They should've tried to get a first down PASSING...after all, they have a QB.

[die cowboys die]

the Arizona Cardinals cough up a game they clearly had won and would have with a Rookie QB that threw the ball 42 times without one int. They were able to put 23 points on the board with a rookie QB and no running game against a defense that are drawing comparisions to the '86' Bears defense.

Whomever the Offensive Coordinator is for Arizona called a great game that tailored to his Rookie QB. He set this kid up with simple rollout passes and intermediate stuff to the outside. Pretty basic throws for a QB. Now I am sure that their OC is not making $2 million a year like ours.

If not for their inability to run the ball, Arizona would have beaten the Bears tonight led by a Rookie QB.


Now I say all of this because it's time for us to make that change and for Al Saunders to look in his 700 page play book and come up with a game-plan that will protect Campbell but also give him valuable game-experience. PLAY THIS KID OR TELL US, THE PAYING FANS, THAT JC IS NOT THE ONE and get it over with. Another team in this league that has a young starting QB.

i was almost sick to my stomach watching him play so well tonight. i particularly noticed how he actually bothered to look at both sides of the field and go through a progression of reads on many plays (after watching MB04 for 3 years i didn't realize that was permitted within the rules). it seems like it's happening all over the league... it makes me sick. it's kind of like when you've just had a really bad breakup and you're miserable being single and you see some really happy couple in love...

WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THAT?

[die cowboys die]

Even without the running game, they should've won. They did get too conservative at then end, on the FG attempt drive. They should've tried to get a first down PASSING...after all, they have a QB.

i agree. the defense was just about selling out on the run... just tell the kid "if it's not open, THROW IT AWAY IMMEDIATELY!" and trust him. they probably could've play-faked for a TD to ice the game.

[Mursilis]

I only saw the first half (had to get some sleep), but yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. Leinart, in two starts (against the #2 and #11 defenses), has not only shown great play, he's posted better ratings, against tougher defenses, than Brunell, our veteran who allegedly gives us so much experience. If rookie QBs aren't ready yet, how are so many (Leinart, Young, Gradkowski) looking better than Brunell? It's not like those teams have to much more talent. Heck, even thought the Cards have E. James, their line is so bad that he still hasn't broken 100 yrds in a game, yet Leinart comes out, behind that same line, and posts consecutive 91 and 89 passer ratings in his first two starts. Better numbers than Brunell, yet rookie QBs aren't ready!

At this point, I think Gibbs has lost all objectivity. If you remember back, Brunell was the FIRST player Gibbs brought in, and he recruited him personally. Brunell is Gibbs' guy, and Gibbs is determined to prove Brunell still has it, no matter how long it takes, how poor he plays, or how many games are lost. What do you bet, if Brunell doesn't retire, Gibbs will name him starter for '07 too? So Brunell is actually helping us lose two games at a time - by robbing Campbell of valuable on-the-field experience, Brunell is not only helping us lose now, but lose in the future as well.

[redskindave]

What a game that was, Just when i thought no one could blow a game like we did, Along come the Cardinals, What a choke job they pulled.. made me feel better about the Redskins though

[roybus14]

I only saw the first half (had to get some sleep), but yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. Leinart, in two starts (against the #2 and #11 defenses), has not only shown great play, he's posted better ratings, against tougher defenses, than Brunell, our veteran who allegedly gives us so much experience. If rookie QBs aren't ready yet, how are so many (Leinart, Young, Gradkowski) looking better than Brunell? It's not like those teams have to much more talent. Heck, even thought the Cards have E. James, their line is so bad that he still hasn't broken 100 yrds in a game, yet Leinart comes out, behind that same line, and posts consecutive 91 and 89 passer ratings in his first two starts. Better numbers than Brunell, yet rookie QBs aren't ready!

At this point, I think Gibbs has lost all objectivity. If you remember back, Brunell was the FIRST player Gibbs brought in, and he recruited him personally. Brunell is Gibbs' guy, and Gibbs is determined to prove Brunell still has it, no matter how long it takes, how poor he plays, or how many games are lost. What do you bet, if Brunell doesn't retire, Gibbs will name him starter for '07 too? So Brunell is actually helping us lose two games at a time - by robbing Campbell of valuable on-the-field experience, Brunell is not only helping us lose now, but lose in the future as well.

I agree 100%. It looks like Kurt Warner has accepted his role and his mortality. He is not pouting and is very animated with Leinhart on the sidelines and is helping this kid along nicely. This is exactly what Brunell should be doing for Campbell right now. It's coming to a point where he and Joe are hurting this team and being real selfish.

Here's the line:

Leinart 24-42 232 2 TD 0 Int.

Bolden 12 Rec. 136 Yds. 1 TD

They did this against a defense that is being compared to the '86' Bears. The offensive coordinator called a "genius" of a game to put this kid in the right position to succeed with no running game. If not for the fact that they could not run the ball, Leinart would be king of the league right now....


I am salty right now. I feel really bad for the Cardinal fans but I am pissed off that everybody else around the league are playing and not doing to bad with their young QBs while we toil with this broken down 78' Mustang...

[SkinsJock]

IMO Arizona lost because they did not allow Leinart to throw on 2nd and 3rd down at the very end. They tried 3 running plays against that defense because they were in position to kick the FG with a very dependable kicker. This also because IMO Leinart is a rookie QB! Even though he had been having a great game and Boldin looked like a lot better option to get a first down. Bad play calling by the Cardinals - Leinart could have won that game for them and they should have had more faith. BUT that is how successful coaches coach and they do not like to try young QBs because they have all learned from many examples of how bad that can be.

Let's take Grossman as an example. All the examples quoted here about a youg QB do not mention the "fantastic" young QB for the Bears! Why do we not use this as an example of what can happen with a young QB. He had an awful game - but then he did play at Florida and like many young QBs they make a lot a bad decisions. Gibbs hates that!

Why do we also not consider that there were many NFL experts this year saying that Roesthlisberger maybe was forced into playing too early and that is why he was struggling?

Gibbs will go with Campbell when he thinks he gives him the better chance to win. I think that will be soon but there are other aspects of our team that need rectifying before we become the team we are capable of being.

[roybus14]

Yes Grossman did look awful and that is a possibility of what could happen with a young QB but how will we know if we don't play JC????

The same argument that people are putting up against putting in JC the opposite can be made for putting him in. We won't know unless we put him. And now, when JC does get his shot, he will not by any fault of his own, under a tremendous microscope of people that will be ready to pounch on every little thing that he does so that they can say, "see I told he was not ready".

I would rather live with what we get out of JC than continue to ride a broken down horse and get no better results.

[SkinsJock]

I think that everyone including TRO agrees that Campbell will be the starting QB soon. Fact is that will not happen until Gibbs thinks he gives the team the best chance. Nobody is disputing that Campbell will most likely be very good. The only thing that concerns me, and maybe some others, is that nobody has been able to convince me that we are not playing well solely because of the play at the QB position.

The QB position is difficult to change for Gibbs because he likes to have the leaders be veterans - we will see Campbell but we have other issues to resolve first and then we will see Campbell.

I predict that Campbell will start soon and even if the team wins the next 2 games but only because Gibbs thinks that Campbell gives him the better chance to win.

[Mursilis]

IMO Arizona lost because they did not allow Leinart to throw on 2nd and 3rd down at the very end. They tried 3 running plays against that defense because they were in position to kick the FG with a very dependable kicker. This also because IMO Leinart is a rookie QB! Even though he had been having a great game and Boldin looked like a lot better option to get a first down. Bad play calling by the Cardinals - Leinart could have won that game for them and they should have had more faith. BUT that is how successful coaches coach and they do not like to try young QBs because they have all learned from many examples of how bad that can be.

First, are you saying veterans can't stink as well? Would you ever want Kerry Collins as your starter? Why not? He's been in the league 10+ years! What about Aaron Brooks? He's a veteran!

Arizona lost that game because Dennis Green is a poor coach. They have decent talent on that team - last year, both their offense AND their defense finished in the top 10, but not only did they not make the playoffs, they finished 6-10!! Dennis Green finds ways to lose.

Let's take Grossman as an example. All the examples quoted here about a youg QB do not mention the "fantastic" young QB for the Bears! Why do we not use this as an example of what can happen with a young QB. He had an awful game - but then he did play at Florida and like many young QBs they make a lot a bad decisions. Gibbs hates that!

And Brunell doesn't make bad decisions? Did you see that pick he threw at the end of the Titans game? Was that a smart decision? Brunell is 15-17 as a Redskins starter. He may not be the only problem on this team, but he's certainly not helping anything. And you can't possibly be busting on Grossman - he's still 6-0! Sure, that defense carried him last night, but he's still performed better than Brunell otherwise. Their offense is still rated higher than ours.

Why do we also not consider that there were many NFL experts this year saying that Roesthlisberger maybe was forced into playing too early and that is why he was struggling?

I haven't seen that - I've seen people saying Big Ben shouldn't have put his head through a windshield in the off-season, nearly dying. Nearly dying will cause you to struggle. Fact is, in his first two seasons in the league, he led his team to the playoffs and then the Super Bowl, and finished with a higher passer rating than Brunell has ever earned in 14 years. No way he was rushed.

Gibbs will go with Campbell when he thinks he gives him the better chance to win. I think that will be soon but there are other aspects of our team that need rectifying before we become the team we are capable of being.

Gibbs will stick with Brunell to prove a point about veteran QBs, no matter how much it hurts this team.

[Mursilis]

I think that everyone including TRO agrees that Campbell will be the starting QB soon. Fact is that will not happen until Gibbs thinks he gives the team the best chance. Nobody is disputing that Campbell will most likely be very good. The only thing that concerns me, and maybe some others, is that nobody has been able to convince me that we are not playing well solely because of the play at the QB position.

The QB position is difficult to change for Gibbs because he likes to have the leaders be veterans - we will see Campbell but we have other issues to resolve first and then we will see Campbell.

I predict that Campbell will start soon and even if the team wins the next 2 games but only because Gibbs thinks that Campbell gives him the better chance to win.

No way Gibbs pulls Brunell if we win vs. Colts and Cowboys. If he won't pull him after 2 losses, why would he pull him after 2 wins!?!? I don't understand that at all.

[wbbradb]

That was one of the most amazing fourth quarters I've ever seen. I forgot what it looks like when every player gives an amazing effort. That Bears defense is something else.

[BearSkins]

Let's take Grossman as an example. All the examples quoted here about a youg QB do not mention the "fantastic" young QB for the Bears! Why do we not use this as an example of what can happen with a young QB. He had an awful game - but then he did play at Florida and like many young QBs they make a lot a bad decisions. Gibbs hates that!

Yeah, Rex had a dreadful game - but what about the 5 other games before it where he made great decisions? JC could turn out the same way for the Skins... Also, while Rex has barely played in the NFL he HAS had two years out (enforced through injury) where ha has had to sit and LEARN and DEVELOP - and isn't that they way it iused to be in the NFL before the "need to won NOW" mentallity that has set in during recent years? Could be that JC will be all the better for his time riding the pine.

I agree with you about the Cards being too conservative though - it gave my Bears all the chances they needed. Wish we could see the Skins D have that kind of passion again and never say die attitude. Is there, perhaps, a case of too many big-money egos? (And I mean in the booth AS WELL as on the park).

[BearSkins]

Whomever the Offensive Coordinator is for Arizona called a great game that tailored to his Rookie QB. He set this kid up with simple rollout passes and intermediate stuff to the outside. Pretty basic throws for a QB. Now I am sure that their OC is not making $2 million a year like ours.

For what it's worth, the Arizona OC just got canned. I can see why as they DID get waaaay conservative when the Bears were there for the taking but is this really just a case of a guy being a fal-guy for Denny Green??