Post game discussion here please - PG

[Mursilis]

But doesn't Gibbs have final say/veto power over all personnel moves? I thought that part of his powers as Team President.

[dnpmakkah]

There seems to be two types of Redskin fans on this board. One who thinks everything is fine and those who see a struggling team. Since preason I beleive this is a struggling team. I hope a loss to an 0-5 team like the Titans with a rookie as the starter can finally shed some light that this team is no where near good "RIGHT NOW".

Can things get better? Yes they can. Will they get better? Who knows. I Don't have a problem with our coaching so much as I have a problem with the coaching mindset. Most of my blame falls on the players. Besides Randy Thomas I feel our line stinks. Samuels has been a BUST not worthy of 3 overall pick status. Jansen was a second rounder that turned out to be a gem but his time as come and gone. The other two is "whatever".

Moss, Portis, ey, and Sellers are studs. These 4 are our offense game in and game out. I also like Rock and Betts as backups - no problems there. I really like ARE's ability as well as Lloyd. The MAIN....MAIN problem is Brunell.

Please take a look at McNabb. Imgaine if he had Portis, ey, Moss, Lloyd and ARE....would be a nightmare huh especially looking at what he does with such little talent as he has now. Many on this board are right when they say Brunell does not look towards anyone in the WR corps except Moss. The dude rarely throws beyond 10 yards. I don't know how many losses it will take before people realize this. I'm not going to say he should retire...but we need to start looking at our future. Brunell is not going to be around for 10 more years. So lets take our lumps with Campbell so we know if he is the future or not. If he isn't at least we will find out sooner rather than later.

Defense is a mess. Line can't get any penatration and they can't tackle. Our ends have sucked since they got here. They are slow and weak. Our tackles this year have taken a HUGE step back. Griff and Salavea have played poorly. Maybe they are injured or maybe age is finally catching up to them. This is why we need to build through the draft. You need a good continous inflow of young talent. Football players rarly last many years at high standards. Linebackers can't tackle and take bad angles. Don't even get me started on the secondary. The only 2 people I have confindence in with our defense is Washington and Taylor. Thats it, just 2. Rogers always gets burned. Can you guys finally see that or no?

Anyways in light of all this doom and gloom I've mentioned above..something has gotten over me. I kind of feel bad for this team. I know the coaches see a problem, I know the players are embarassed. Even more than the other losses, I feel more inclined to support them after this loss than the other ones.

Overall this team is just bad. If we change quaterbacks it doesnt mean we will win. Our defense will still continue to lose it for us by giving up big play after big play and allowing huge points to teams.

If our defense improves it too doesn't mean we will win because our offense might still not score. The only thing we can do now is realize the problem and hope it gets correct. The necessary changes need to be made and possibily make a push this year or start planning for the future. But we are all in a agreement. This team is a good/ok team that is playing awefully bad right now.

[SkinzCanes]

Rogers always gets burned. Can you guys finally see that or no?

I would hope that people finally realized that today. Rogers was not worthy of a top 10 pick, especially when you consider that we could've had Merriman instead. Pac Man Jones played like a top 10 pick today and Rogers played like he was still in college. Just another example of the management and talent evaluation problems on this team.

[old-timer]

There seems to be two types of Redskin fans on this board. One who thinks everything is fine....

Good luck finding one of those today, they're getting scarce. Getting humiliated at home to an 0-5 team with a rookie QB tends to bring reality where it has been lacking.

[Mursilis]

There seems to be two types of Redskin fans on this board. One who thinks everything is fine....

Good luck finding one of those today, they're getting scarce. Getting humiliated at home to an 0-5 team with a rookie QB tends to bring reality where it has been lacking.

Bet Brunell keeps his job, though. The fans may finally be brought into reality, but the coaching staff won't.

[mastdark81]

22 points should be enough to beat the Titans. Yes Brunell threw a bad pick at the end of the game but it shouldn't have came down to that. Travis Henry broke tackles and manhandled our defense all day...you think its a stop for a loss but somehow he gets 5 yards.

I'm more sick of the defense staying on the field more then the inconsistency of the offense. We have lost every game that we lose the time of possession.

I felt the key turn of this game was the Randel El fumble in the first half, no they didn't score but it kept us from increasing the lead. Also the delay of game on 3rd down was crucial.

This game was not one of our bad coaching games, the players performed terrible.

[PulpExposure]

I don't know about that. Brunell didn't play well, but I think it's a mistake to assume that Campbell makes all of those throws.

I hope they play Campbell if we do lose to the Colts, but unlike some people, I won't be expecting Pro Bowl play. I would be shocked if he comes anywhere close to Brunell's 86.37 quarterback rating.

Sure Campbell could come in and struggle. Most young qb's do. But atleast we would be building towards something, getting him more experience for next season.

Yeah, if we put him in, the worst that happens is we lose.

Guess what? We're losing...

[PulpExposure]

I felt the key turn of this game was the Randel El fumble in the first half, no they didn't score but it kept us from increasing the lead. Also the delay of game on 3rd down was crucial.

I actually think the key play was the play where Brunell tried to hit Santana Moss (who had beat his coverage), only to have the Titans safety Thompson(?) break up the pass. If he hadn't, it was a TD.

Pretty much a microcosm of the game right there. They made the plays when they had to, and we didn't.

[SkinzCanes]

22 points should be enough to beat the Titans. Yes Brunell threw a bad pick at the end of the game but it shouldn't have came down to that. Travis Henry broke tackles and manhandled our defense all day...you think its a stop for a loss but somehow he gets 5 yards.

They gave up 22 points but they gave the offense plenty of chances late in the game. After we tied the score at 22 the defense forced the Titans to go 3 and out, and the offense came out and gained no yards and gave the ball back right away to the Titans on our side of the field. At the end we had a chance to go down and tie the score but Brunell made one of the worst throws I have ever seen to give the game away. The defense sucked, but atleast they have had injuries this season. The offense has been flat out awful with the full starting team healthy.

[PulpExposure]

The offense has been flat out awful with the full starting team healthy.

Not true. They had back to back almost 500 yard games, and that's impressive.

The offense has been uneven, ranging from excellent (manhandling a very good Jaguars defense) to awful (hi Giants game).

But the defense has been awful every week.

[elprez19]

carlos rogers has been awful every game, he can not break a play up nor catch a pick to save his life and is still cocky every play. What the hell happend to our defense from last year. How can we not get to the qb on an all out blitz nine times out of ten

[SkinzCanes]

Not true. They had back to back almost 500 yard games, and that's impressive.

The offense has been uneven, ranging from excellent (manhandling a very good Jaguars defense) to awful (hi Giants game).

But the defense has been awful every week.

Wow almost 500 yards against the Texans. It would be harder to gain 500 yards againt Ohio State than Houston.

[Gnome]

For those of you who say fire Gibbs, shame on you.

Seriously.

The man knows how to win. We made the playoffs last year. And he's not the only coach on the team. Yada Yada Yada.

The fate of this team this year isn't due to Brunell, it's due to the Defense being the worst in the league and our special teams suck.

We give up every third down. And when we punt or kick off we give up good field position.

The offense is good enough. Not great.

Putting in Campbell is the right thing to do - because the season is junk - but he's not going to punt or tackle.

And again, Gibbs will fix this. Firing him is not an option. Get real.

[SCSkinsFan]

So, will I be seeing Jason Campbell starting against the Pukes when I get up to Fed Ex for the revenge game? I'm willing to see if the kid can play becasue we will be 2 -5 by then. We can also put Rocky in on D and see if there str any future stars on this team.

[admin]

Putting in Campbell is the right thing to do - because the season is junk - but he's not going to punt or tackle.

Great sentence.

I agree. As bad as Brunell and the offense have been, the defense has been worse.

[SCSkinsFan]

One note on C Rogers also. Did anyone else watching the game notice when he was covering Drew Bennett on one particular play that he waited until Bennett was 2 strides past him before he started trying to catch up, had no idea where the ball was, and got burned for 26 yds when we really needed a stop?

[redskins12287]

I've been saying all along our draft picks have been a joke since 04. Remember what Gibbs said when he was asked why we drafted Rocky? It was something along the lines of "well, we know alot about him."???? I'm sure if they spent enough time with me, they would know alot about me, so why not sign me too?

Gibbs hands out picks like candy and come draft day, who knows what the deciding factors are.

[SCSkinsFan]

Canning Gibbs is definitely not the answer and is absurd. Until he, or any other of our coaches gets on the field and starts making the mistakes this teams makes, too many to list, you can't put it all on him.

[Mursilis]

Putting in Campbell is the right thing to do - because the season is junk - but he's not going to punt or tackle.

Great sentence.

I agree. As bad as Brunell and the offense have been, the defense has been worse.

True - they were 21st going into this game, and will probably drop more afterward. But it's not like we've got another defense holding a clipboard, waiting to play. But we do have another QB. Maybe better, maybe worse, but we've got to play him to find out.

[SkinzCanes]

One note on C Rogers also. Did anyone else watching the game notice when he was covering Drew Bennett on one particular play that he waited until Bennett was 2 strides past him before he started trying to catch up, had no idea where the ball was, and got burned for 26 yds when we really needed a stop?

You mean the play on which he got burned deep and didn't even look back to see where the ball was?

[SkinzCanes]

The fate of this team this year isn't due to Brunell, it's due to the Defense being the worst in the league and our special teams suck.

We give up every third down. And when we punt or kick off we give up good field position.

I'm really not sure what exactly people expect from the defense. In 2004 our D was dominant. Since then we have lost key players every offseason and replaced them with worse players, plus many of the players that we have are simply getting older and/or hurt (Griffin, Springs). On top of that we have less depth than we have had in the past. It doesn't matter how bad of a team you're playing if you're going to relly on guys like Holdman, Rumph, Wright, Wynn, Boschetti, etc. to make plays. Most of those guys shouldn't be backups, let alone starters. Add in injuries to Griffin, Salavae, Springs, Daniels, plus substandard play from Marshall (who is out of position), Carter (who can't do anything right), AA (who cant cover), Rogers (looks lost) and these are the types of results that you're going to get. The only consistant playmakers that we have on defense right now are Taylor and Washington. That's not enough for the unit to play the way people expect them to.

[die cowboys die]

Putting in Campbell is the right thing to do - because the season is junk - but he's not going to punt or tackle.

Great sentence.

I agree. As bad as Brunell and the offense have been, the defense has been worse.

True - they were 21st going into this game, and will probably drop more afterward. But it's not like we've got another defense holding a clipboard, waiting to play. But we do have another QB. Maybe better, maybe worse, but we've got to play him to find out.

yes, exactly.

but in regards to the defense, folks, who signed off on all the personnel decisions this offseason? i'm just not understanding gibbs's's's "Untouchable" status. i never said we should fire him now, only if he insists on playing brunell much longer. i've calmed down a little and realize that is probably not the answer, though part of me truly wonders if a coach who would keep brunell in has any business or hope being out there at all. firing isn't the answer but sticking with brunell is not even remotely acceptable. so we just have to hope gibbs has the common sense to get rid of him.

one thing IS for certain though:

it is time to take gibbs down from the pedestal and realize that he is currently as much a part of the problem as anyone else.

[Redskin Don]

the team was putrid almost the entire day after we took a 14-3 lead. As bad as we were, though, we did tie the game up and then the defense promptly let Tennessee pretty much eat up the clock. the redskins couldn't have beaten a team of retards today and tennessee is the closest thing to that you'll find in the nfl. absolutely pathetic. a playoff calibre team doesn't lose to teams like minnesota and tennessee at home, yet these morons have done just that. i read an article in the washington times that I agree with and the synopsis of that article is that we've made some really horrible, headscratching personnel decisions over the last few years. We let pierce go to the giants, and not resigning fred smoot are the 2 big ones that come to mind.

My personal opinion is that we have an offensive line that just isn't very good and you can make the same argument about the defensive line. How many times have we seen Jansen and Samuels get beat like drums this year? We generate absolutely no pass rush and now we can't stop the run either. It's going to be a long rest of the year. I thought last year was the start of something beautiful, but I guess this is going to be yet another year of getting kicked in the teeth by these idiots.

[elprez19]

we could be only one game better than the Raiders after tonight....thats sick

[PulpExposure]

we could be only one game better than the Raiders after tonight....thats sick

We're only one game better than the Titans.