Post game discussion here please - PG

Post by **admin** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:21 pm

I know the board will be hopping mad.. so do me a favor... I'm going to start two threads... this one for any civil discussion that might go on... and one in smack for people to speak their mind without any retribution...

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PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:28 pm

Hi season. Meet toilet.

redskins-28 · Post by **redskins-28** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:28 pm

What is our problem???? You can run and pass all over our defense with little or no resistance, we went from one of the best in the NFL last year to the worst this year..... what gives???

Our offense is just plain boring with the exception of a few plays every game. Screen pass, screen pass, screen pass etc. It's just SOOOOOOOOOOO frustrating, especially to lose at home..... to a team like this.

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Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:29 pm

What is there to say? This team just isn't very good. The defense can't really stop the run or the pass. The offense looks All-World one quarter and abysmal the next. Injuries have played a big part in the defensive woes, but staying healthy is part of football.

Looking ahead, if we lose to the Colts, I think it's time to start Campbell. Not because all of this is all Brunell's fault, or because Campbell gives us a better chance to win, but because the team will be 2-5, and will probably need to go 8-1 to make the playoffs.

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:31 pm

I'm starting to wonder if Gibbs still has it anymore. He's 19-21 since he came back. That says it all.

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:33 pm

Steve Spurrier III wrote:What is there to say? This team just isn't very good. The defense can't really stop the run or the pass. The offense looks All-World one quarter and abysmal the next. Injuries have played a big part in the defensive woes, but staying healthy is part of football. Looking ahead, if we lose to the Colts, I think it's time to start Campbell. Not because all of this is all Brunell's fault, or because Campbell gives us a better chance to win, but because the team will be 2-5, and will probably need to go 8-1 to make the playoffs.

It was time to start Campbell at the beginning of the season. Brunell doesn't give us a thing 20-30 guys in this league can't do as good or better. Where are all the people who said "Brunell gives us the best chance to win now"? Where are the wins?!?! This is just pathetic.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:33 pm

I have offically decided not to support Brunell this week. He has lost all of my confidence. The decisions he made today was a direct reflection of his lack of physical ability. I think that now is the time to move tward the Jason Campbell era or if Gibbs wants a vet then trade and get someone. Hell I don't care but I can not sit back and watch our team and see the QB cost us game after game. Not to mention the worst defensive performance I have ever seen in my life.

thaiphoon · Post by **thaiphoon** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:37 pm

Offense - We can't score consistently when we need to. We can't move the chains against the opposing teams when we need to with any consistency. Our QB keeps locking down on his primary receiver and throwing into triple coverage. We keep running stupid reverse screens on 3rd and long.

Defense - we can't tackle, cover, stop the run or anyone on 3rd down (no matter the distance even if its 3rd and 50 !!)

Other than that, we're Super Bowl bound baby.

In all seriousness... any talk of the playoffs by anyone should be quashed right now. Playoff calibre teams win at home against the Titans and the Vikings. We aren't there yet. We need to get a whole lot better and focus on winning just 1 game.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:43 pm

thaiphoon wrote:In all seriousness... any talk of the playoffs by anyone should be quashed right now. Playoff calibre teams win at home against the Titans and the Vikings. We aren't there yet. We need to get a whole lot better and focus on winning just 1 game.

Yeah, you hold at home, and you can go 2-6 on the road. Considering how badly the Skins traditionally play against the Cowboys in Texas, the Giants in New Jersey, and the Eagles in Philadelphia, that's realistic.

Us going 8-2 the rest of the season isn't. Especially if we can't beat the sad-sack Titans.

This was freaking awful. There is no other way to describe it. It's almost worse to lose to these guys than it would have been to lose to the Texans, because at least Houston had a QB who had played in the NFL longer than 3 games. My god. The horror.

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:47 pm

i feel sick.

i'm at a loss for words. brunell sucks.

no run defense. i think i'll go :puke:

reggiebrooks4life · Post by **reggiebrooks4life** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:56 pm

man, that was not good. not really sure where we go from here

mulkey · Post by **mulkey** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:00 pm

I'll tell you what i really don't understand. Why do you go Pass, Pass, Pass. Three and out with over 4 minutes to go. You have Clinton Portis, and from what little i saw of the game he looked to be picking up positive yards. We threw the bomb to Lloyd and now all of a sudden we have to throw every play. Our last four offensive plays were passes. Ridiculous. Another issue I would like to address is if Joe Gibbs retired today I pray that Greg Williams isn't the man to replace him. His defense for what ever reason has not stopped anyone for awhile now. It's all about what have you done for me lately. He ain't done jack... Now, i feel much better that I got that off my chest.

Post by **admin** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:02 pm

I don't thnk Brunell sucked much worse than anyone else today... or last week for that matter.

Please don't misconstrue that as saying he didn't suck, he's played his way out of the job. I'm just saying that it's been abyssmal from top to bottom.

Who HAS played well?

Seriously.

It's easy to point fingers because truthfully... you can point a finger at amost every one of them. But there is some cause and effect to ALL of them playing badly. Hopefully that means that turning ONE element of their game around will make exponential progress... because right now, this team doesn't like they can beat anyone... let alone someone of quality.

I actually have not minded the decision to stick with Brunell to this point... I think if Brunell were playing like last year, it would be enough for this team to do much better. And I thought that he played well enough down the stretch to earn that right to start this season.

But I also think that he has now categorically proven that he ISN'T the same quarterback that finished last year. Is it injury? Is it age? Doesn't really matter. I think he's proven that he isn't going to win any games for the Redskins right now, and you may as well give the kid a shot. The team needs the spark.

Hopefully it will have the reciprocal effect of making the staff stick with the running game a lot more because in my opinion, bailing on the running game is causing this team huge problems offensively. You'd think that if your quarterback was struggling that you would go to Clinton Portis and put him in a position to win games for you. But they haven't done it yet... and they bailed on the run again today... maybe having Campbell in at qb helps get more run plays called to let him 'ease in'.

Man the two rookie defensive tackles struggled today too... made Travis Henry look all-world. Not having Corny and Salave'a proved very costly indeed. Golston and Montgomery just got slapped around.

I'll sum up by saying that while Brunell sucked, so did the defense, so did the play calling, and so did the special teams. That's how you bark up an 'L' to the Titans.

redskindave · Post by **redskindave** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:03 pm

This is aweful, We cant piss around with Brunell anymore, This joke has got to go, Im completely depressed over this loss, I hate to say it but our team is in deep trouble for the rest of this season

thaiphoon · Post by **thaiphoon** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:07 pm

Very true Boss...if you look, you'll see I've been saying much the same as you did. Everyone played poorly today.

Who HAS played well?

Do the cheerleaders count ??

mulkey · Post by **mulkey** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:16 pm

On Brunnell, You can put money on it that Joe Gibbs won't give up on him this early. As long as we have the possiblity of making a run, or are not mathmatically eliminated from the playoffs he will stick with Brunnell. That my friends you can bank on. It would take an injury of magnitude for him to be replaced this soon.

DCGloryYears828791 · Post by **DCGloryYears828791** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:16 pm

I think it was pretty obvious that there were at least 3 throws, that if Campbell is in there, the ball gets there. Brunell just doesn't have the arm anymore. He missed Santana 2 or 3 times, cooley once, and while he made a play on the Lloyd TD, i think Campbell would have led him more, but its no use in asking for Brunell's head, because we all know what Coach is going to say.

This one hurts but you know we're all in it together, we fought our guts out.....Mark is super smart and blah blah blah.

This loss definately took all the air out of my sail, we could be looking at 7-9, 6-10 again!

Sad day, sad sad day.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:18 pm

admin wrote:Who HAS played well?

Seriously.

Clinton Portis. Santana Moss (whose dropped pass today was one of the rare ones). That's about it.

I actually have not minded the decision to stick with Brunell to this point... I think if Brunell were playing like last year, it would be enough for this team to do much better. And I thought that he played well enough down the stretch to earn that right to start this season.

But I also think that he has now categorically proven that he ISN'T the same quarterback that finished last year. Is it injury? Is it age? Doesn't really matter. I think he's proven that he isn't going to win any games for the Redskins right now, and you may as well give the kid a shot. The team needs the spark.

Yeah, his limitations are really handcuffing the offense. On at least two deep passes (the incomplete to Santana Moss, defensed by the Titans safety), and the complete one to Brandon Lloyd, both WR had beat their defenders. But the pass was underthrown, both times. I can remember another in the first half where Santana was underthrown and had to come back and defense the ball from Pacman Jones. Brunell's inability to stretch the defenses is really hurting us. With a legit deep threat, our screen game would be even better than it is.

Hopefully it will have the reciprocal effect of making the staff stick with the running game a lot more because in my opinion, bailing on the running game is causing this team huge problems offensively. You'd think that if your quarterback was struggling that you would go to Clinton Portis and put him in a position to win games for you. But they haven't done it yet... and they bailed on the run again today... maybe having Campbell in at qb helps get more run plays called to let him 'ease in'.

Yep. We gave up on the running game way too early in this one. Even down by 8, run the ball. Give your defense, which is being beaten like a rented mule, time to catch it's breath.

Man the two rookie defensive tackles struggled today too... made Travis Henry look all-world. Not having Corny and Salave'a proved very costly indeed. Golston and Montgomery just got slapped around.

I noticed that, too. And I want to say this is a byproduct of our management's skipping the draft. We don't have a lot of depth to our team, and when a good player goes down (like Springs or Griffin), we're in deep trouble. Not to beat a dead horse, but that draft pick given up for Duckett is really going to hurt us. Since it's conditional third...and one of the conditions iirc is if we finish with a worse record than the Broncos, they get our 1st rounder and we get theirs, has real potential to be hurtful. We might be looking at a top 10 pick, with the Broncos getting their traditional 22-32 pick, and that's a HUGE difference in talent.

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:22 pm

DCGloryYears828791 wrote:I think it was pretty obvious that there were at least 3 throws, that if Campbell is in there, the ball gets there. Brunell just doesn't have the arm anymore. He missed Santana 2 or 3 times, cooley once, and while he made a play on the Lloyd TD, i think Campbell would have led him more, but its no use in asking for Brunell's head, because we all know what Coach is going to say.

I don't know about that. Brunell didn't play well, but I think it's a mistake to assume that Campbell makes all of those throws.

I hope they play Campbell if we do lose to the Colts, but unlike some people, I won't be expecting Pro Bowl play. I would be shocked if he comes anywhere close to Brunell's 86.37 quarterback rating.

Jeremy81 · Post by **Jeremy81** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:25 pm

ummm...i couldn't even get mad today. I was SO mad that all i could do was laugh. i don't think i've ever been more frusterated with my favorite team than right now.

i think the worst part of all of this is that brunell will play next week. and i think that if he plays like he did today, we actually will give campbell a chance. but here's the best part of it all...he won't play like he did today. he'll have another all-star game, probably break the completion record again, throw for three touchdowns, and win himself yet another three weeks of gibbs believing in him...then he'll lose those three games in the same fashion he always does.

our defense lacks....everything. can't wrap up and tackle...can't get off the field on third down...can't EVER get qb rush, whether they rush 4 or whether they rush 8. if there were only 3 downs we'd be a decent D. but it looks like G. Williams puts his pop warner squad onto the field when it's third down.

i don't know how else to explain how i feel other than i'm tired...just tired.

SKINS#1 · Post by **SKINS#1** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:25 pm

The Fat Lady is on her feet and ready to sing. I expected the offense to struggle but I cannot understand the poor performance of the defense. Having been a Brunell supporter I think it is time for Campbell. We need to see what he can do.

thaiphoon · Post by **thaiphoon** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:30 pm

On Brunnell, You can put money on it that Joe Gibbs won't give up on him this early. As long as we have the possiblity of making a run, or are not mathmatically eliminated from the playoffs he will stick with Brunnell. That my friends you can bank on. It would take an injury of magnitude for him to be replaced this soon.

A la an LT like sack on a Joe Theismann.

Remember how badly Theismann was playing and Gibbs stuck with him??

thaiphoon · Post by **thaiphoon** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:33 pm

and one of the conditions iirc is if we finish with a worse record than the Broncos, they get our 1st rounder and we get theirs, has real potential to be hurtful. We might be looking at a top 10 pick, with the Broncos getting their traditional 22-32 pick, and that's a HUGE difference in talent

Wait a minute...

Did I miss the deal??? Is this part of the deal for DUCKETT ???

Are you kidding me ???

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:36 pm

I am seriously depressed. I would have been seriously depressed -EVEN- if we had scored on that final drive. Where did my Washington Redskins who understood that five in a row or no go attitude was key to our survival?

This is a SERIOUS OVERALL COLLAPSE. I mean, not only ir regards to their terrible quality of game but JUST the effort. I do not feel that I have EVER seen a worse effort by a football team-coached by Joe Gibbs on the field in my life as a fan.

Did you also have the impression that there was NO TRUE EFFORT to win by several players? Did you see ANY spirit and soul in this team?

I do not know where to start, really. Many of you blame Brunell, and I do hold him accountable sure. But SADLY, this is much broader than his play.

Where did our top 5 defense over the last few seasons go? The secondary is playing horrendously but the CBs in particular STINK! I almost shiver every time there is a third and long. I feel that our opponents may get their bigger plays then, and they ACTUALLY do. Shawn Springs return meant NOTHING or worse. True, he has not played this season and came back from injury and surgery. But those of us that felt that he was going to rescue our secondary were WRONG. Our problems seem to be deeper than one or two players.

We have very little, if any, pass rush. Even the all-out blitzes are not getting to ANY QB this season.

How about that poor tackling? I am a great fan of Marcus Washington. But -even- if he was one of our best tacklers today, he missed several key tackles.

We could not stop their run -even- when EVERYBODY knew that they were going to run. Corny and Joe out certainly hurt but come on! This is Henry not Tomlinson running. Where were the safeties and the LBs to help the DL?

Santana Moss and Clinton Portis are GREAT players. But they can not carry the team if the situations and plays they are put into are IMPOSSIBLE to succeed.

EVERYBODY in the WORLD knew that Santana would be under double, triple or quadruple coverage. Why throw to him like that? He is a PLAYER not a MIRACLE MAKER, not every week anyway.

You know what? I feel the TURNING POINT of the game was a penalty called for illegal motion. We had had a 21 yard gain and we were ROLLING all over them. After that penalty, it was DOWNHILL precipitously from there. I do not think that ONE penalty lost us the game. It just seemed to me that the team went into suspended animation, soulless after that drive was stopped.

I am depressed. I am very depressed. I am not throwing the season out the window .... yet. But the playoffs look as distant as a mirage on the horizon in the desert.

The worst part? I have no idea or advice on where to start to fix this mess. Joe help us here PLEASE!!!

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:37 pm

I heard the end of the game while in the car...

Its time to put Jason Campbell in. But its not going to happen. We have to lose at least 2 more games before Brunell gets in. The problem is this, the team will win a game buy Brunell an extra 2-3 games.

Its obvious that the fans are pretty down. This forum is dead right now, I dont think most people even feel like posting the same stuff over and over again.