Rumor: LaVar Gave The Giants The Skins Playbook?

[Chris Luva Luva]

My cousin just told me he saw Crutches on NFL Network saying Gibbs and his assistants dont know what its like to go out there and put pads on.

This guy is an idiot.

[Cappster]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2614587

[hailskins666]

i've had duct tape on my #56 jersey since he signed with ny. duct tape completely covers the name plate and i have 'traitor' scribbled in sharpie...

[aswas71788]

Dear Chris Luva Luva - I wish I knew how to send this as a persoanl email as I do not mean to argue the subject in public nor do I mean to be uncomplimentary towards you. To answer your question.

Let's see.... LB Coach Dale Lindsay and Shaun Springs both made comments about his knowledge of the defense. Those comments were dutifully, no gleefully, reported by the news media. Those things should not have been said, even if they were true. How would you like it if one of your co-workers told the press that essentually you were not able to understand your job as a duelly appointed reporter/moderator/ founding father/upright Redskins fan for THN? You would and should be violently upset and rightfully so even though we all know that your dedication to the Redskins and this board and reporting about the Redskins are exemplary.

This board has rules about personal attacks, I would think that in the real world those 2 should have known to not make statements that could be implied as a persoanl attack by the media. (In my real world, the last thing you want to do is p*** of the opponent. They get mean and even.) But you know how the press is!! Those statements will probably be reported by every newspaper, sports commentator, sports show (probable NFL Network will have e 30 minute special), sports wannabe and hashed out before next Sundays game. Who knows, we may see those comments flashed on the stadium screen.

Now would you please go ask Mr. Sellers to knock his a** down so Mr. Portis can score his touchdown?

[SkinsJock]

I hope Lavar did give the playbook to the NY coaches. I really do not think he had it and is just trying to get some hype for the game and in a very childish way respond to comments by our coaches this week. I really believe that if in fact he did have it and gave it to the NY staff then they would have asked him to not mention it and maybe they could have gained something from it - this is highly unlikely IMO. All of this is conjecture based on some stupid asinine comments by Arrington..

Fact of the matter is we are going to win this game and even though they do not have our playbook, they all, and Arrington, are going to look pretty stupid. Coughlin will be vilified for losing to his division rivals while reportedly (by a known exagerator/liar) holding the secrets to our defense by the NY media.

This is a very edgy team right now and after what Shockey about his coach after the last game can you imagine what will happen when they lose to a division rival while reportedly having the defensive plays handed to you by this low life.

Did not happen but this is a major faux pas by Arrington and I'm sure Coughlin is not at all happy about being compromised by this idiot again.

[joebagadonuts]

Hello? You do the math.

He's seriously asking them to do the math, because he can't do it.

[theoneandonly#9]

LaVar doesn't have a clue as to what our new offence can do. So much has changed since he lelt, for the better I might add. Maybe he can get close enough to any of our recievers to get an autograph, thats about all he'll get.

[Jake]

LaVar doesn't have a clue as to what our new offence can do. So much has changed since he lelt, for the better I might add. Maybe he can get close enough to any of our recievers to get an autograph, thats about all he'll get.

He gave them our defensive playbook.

[roybus14]

Which playbook?? Offense or Defense???

If it was the offense, he just gave them a paper weight. If it was the defense, it shouldn't matter because the "Animal Trainer" is going to mix it up anyway and our guys have to just "man-up" and punch them in the mouth.


As far as Lavar is concerned, I like the guy and I appreciate what he did when he was here. Do I think he is dumb, no. I have to agree with what Rod Woodson said on NFL Total Access last night about Lavar. Lavar is not a true LB and is just a pass rusher and should be used as just that. If you really look at, the same thing could be said about "L.T." but the difference was that Parcells and Belicheck recognized that "L.T." was more of a pass rusher and used him from the start as one. That's why he flourished and had a great career. They built their system around his ability and didn't try to fit a square peg into a round hole. The same thing is happening in Baltimore with Suggs who was drafted by the Ravens as a LB but they took advantage of his strength as a pass rusher when they scouted him in college.

It's not that this guy is dumb, it's just that he was not made to be a LB. Marvin Lewis figured it out for one year and the guy had double digit sacks and made the Pro Bowl because of that. I wish Lavar the best of luck in N.Y. and I hope he does well, just not against us.....

[Jake]

Which playbook?? Offense or Defense???

If it was the offense, he just gave them a paper weight. If it was the defense, it shouldn't matter because the "Animal Trainer" is going to mix it up anyway and our guys have to just "man-up" and punch them in the mouth.


As far as Lavar is concerned, I like the guy and I appreciate what he did when he was here. Do I think he is dumb, no. I have to agree with what Rod Woodson said on NFL Total Access last night about Lavar. Lavar is not a true LB and is just a pass rusher and should be used as just that. If you really look at, the same thing could be said about "L.T." but the difference was that Parcells and Belicheck recognized that "L.T." was more of a pass rusher and used him from the start as one. That's why he flourished and had a great career. They built their system around his ability and didn't try to fit a square peg into a round hole. The same thing is happening in Baltimore with Suggs who was drafted by the Ravens as a LB but they took advantage of his strength as a pass rusher when they scouted him in college.

It's not that this guy is dumb, it's just that he was not made to be a LB. Marvin Lewis figured it out for one year and the guy had double digit sacks and made the Pro Bowl because of that. I wish Lavar the best of luck in N.Y. and I hope he does well, just not against us.....

Read the post above you.

[Burgandyandglory]

I don't personally know whether it's true. If someone can post a link, please do so.

He did pass the book.
Watch the video of his interview.

http://www.giants.com/news/eisen/story. ... y_id=19887

Q: Coach Coughlin spoke with you earlier this week about them coming up?

A: We’ve had our sit-down talks and I told them the little bit that I know about the Washington Redskins. It was like a two minute conversation. But what I didn’t know, I do have your playbook. So if I didn’t understand it, I’m sure Coach Coughlin can decipher it.

http://www.giants.com/news/transcripts/ ... y_id=19885

TRAITOR.

LaVar is full of hot air. Funny how a washed up ex-Redskin who has 0 Sacks, 0 INT's, and 0 Forced Fumbles this season can talk a big game. Hey LaVar, Joe Gibbs is way out of your league! He is in the HoF. A place you'll only see by paying an admission fee.

[floridaskinsfan]

I agree that Dale should not have spouted off about Arrington. I did not mind what Springs said because of his tone and it seemed lighter coming from another player. I'll bet (and hope) Dale was ripped in to by Williams. Arrington has no class but Dale did not need to downgrade him like that. Hopefully we will be able to make Arrington look stupid on the field.

I just want to see him get burned in coverage and then get smacked by an o-lineman, or ey, or Sellers or whif on Brunell on a blitz.

[Burgandyandglory]

That said, now Sellers can go knock him on his a** so Portis can score.[/b]

Too bad we couldn't see Sean Taylor re-introduce himself to LaVar.

[Burgandyandglory]

Please, provide us with quotes of these personal assaults our coaches laid on Lavar?

Good call. I saw the Gibbs interview, and he was very humble in his comments. Like I said before, bashing Gibbs shows no class and LaVar is way out of his league here.

[DEHog]

After watching Lavar’s interview I’ve come to two conclusions..
ONE: Lavar is very bitter about not being a Redskin, the whole comment about only fighting his butt off for two years when he was here for 6?? Hey Lavar it’s easy when everything is going well, it’s the times of adversity you should fight even harder!!

TWO: The whole playbook thing seemed tongue-in-cheek to me. Do we really think any coached in the NFL would accept a playbook from another team?? I was watching the Penn St. vs. Ohio St. game a few weeks ago and the Penn St. coach sprinted across the field at halftime just to give back a wrist band from one of the Ohio St, player which he lost on the field.

Lavar was right about one thing. If Gibbs wanted him to be a Redskin he’d be a Redskin! Gibbs took the high road in saying “that things just didn’t work out” In the end I believe it was Lavar’s unwillingness to not play or learn within Williams defensive system that eventually cost him his jog here.

[Burgandyandglory]

i've had duct tape on my #56 jersey since he signed with ny. duct tape completely covers the name plate and i have 'traitor' scribbled in sharpie...

I saw another guy in the section next to ours at FedEx who did something similar. He had Duct tape over his name with "Giant Mistake" written on it. Priceless.

[JPFair]

I watched his interview to, and here's what I think:

LaVar seemed to get real irritable when they'd talk about what the Coaches said about him. So, I think what it is is that he really DIDN'T know anything about our defense and now it's public so he gets hot and bothered. Not once did he try and say "I did know the defense and I tried to work within it". It's quite obvious now that the Coaches were right when they think of him as a freelancer who isn't able to be disciplined within the system. Clearly, LaVar was being agitated because people have finally found out what kind of a player he is and now his reputation in the NFL is gonna go downhill with Management from every other NFL team.

I wish Dale Lindsay hadn't said what he said, because I don't believe in a war of words, but if nothing else, it did serve to highlight just how angry and irresponsible Arrington is. If he's this angry and irresponsible over people, I can only imagine how hard it must have been for a good defensive coach to work with him.

One other thing, is it just me or does it seem like whenever Arrington rambles on, he makes absolutely no sense. I noticed that when he was with the Redskins, but he seems to talk jibberish all the time and his sentences don't really convey any kind of logic at all. He seems to mix up words that really don't add up to a full complete and meaningfull sentence for some reason. Maybe it's just me, but he speaks like he's in a Psych hospital.

[USAFSkinFan]

After watching Lavar’s interview I’ve come to two conclusions..
ONE: Lavar is very bitter about not being a Redskin, the whole comment about only fighting his butt off for two years when he was here for 6?? Hey Lavar it’s easy when everything is going well, it’s the times of adversity you should fight even harder!!

TWO: The whole playbook thing seemed tongue-in-cheek to me. Do we really think any coached in the NFL would accept a playbook from another team?? I was watching the Penn St. vs. Ohio St. game a few weeks ago and the Penn St. coach sprinted across the field at halftime just to give back a wrist band from one of the Ohio St, player which he lost on the field.

Lavar was right about one thing. If Gibbs wanted him to be a Redskin he’d be a Redskin! Gibbs took the high road in saying “that things just didn’t work out” In the end I believe it was Lavar’s unwillingness to not play or learn within Williams defensive system that eventually cost him his jog here.

I agree about the playbook, I have a hard time believing Coughlin would accept another coach's work... at most they would probably get Arrington and Pierce to go every any defensive keys the could allow Eli to audible out of a bad play... If the were going against Peyton, that could be a problem, but I don't think they're going to let Eli audible that much...

[SkinsJock]

After watching Lavar’s interview I’ve come to two conclusions..
ONE: Lavar is very bitter about not being a Redskin...

TWO: The playbook thing seemed tongue-in-cheek to me. Do we really think any coach in the NFL would accept a playbook from another team??

Lavar was right about one thing. If Gibbs wanted him to be a Redskin he’d be a Redskin! ..... In the end I believe it was Lavar’s unwillingness to not play or learn within Williams defensive system that eventually cost him his jog here.

I think this is too the point and very well thought out. I also agree with those who have pointed out that it was a mistake for our LB coach to make the statements he made about Arrington and I'm sure that Gibbs tried to make sure everyone knows to try and think before you say something that can be used like this will be.

I'm still thinking that we have the more intense team right now and that the Giants bye week was not a good thing for a team in such disarray after their last game. The game between these teams has always IMO been about who wants it more - we are that team right now and I think that is what will happen in NY this week.

[ArizonaHOG]

After watching Lavar’s interview I’ve come to two conclusions..
ONE: Lavar is very bitter about not being a Redskin, the whole comment about only fighting his butt off for two years when he was here for 6?? Hey Lavar it’s easy when everything is going well, it’s the times of adversity you should fight even harder!!

TWO: The whole playbook thing seemed tongue-in-cheek to me. Do we really think any coached in the NFL would accept a playbook from another team?? I was watching the Penn St. vs. Ohio St. game a few weeks ago and the Penn St. coach sprinted across the field at halftime just to give back a wrist band from one of the Ohio St, player which he lost on the field.

Lavar was right about one thing. If Gibbs wanted him to be a Redskin he’d be a Redskin! Gibbs took the high road in saying “that things just didn’t work out” In the end I believe it was Lavar’s unwillingness to not play or learn within Williams defensive system that eventually cost him his jog here.

I was thinking about the Penn State game while reading this thread. Apparently, LaVar missed the lessons about character while he was there.
I imagine that has a lot to do with why he is no longer a Redskin.

[redskins12287]

LaVar was, is and probably always will be a money and occasionaly emotionaly driven punk. Plain and simple.

After this I dont see how anyone can support him anymore.

[Cappster]

Dear Chris Luva Luva - I wish I knew how to send this as a persoanl email as I do not mean to argue the subject in public nor do I mean to be uncomplimentary towards you. To answer your question.

Let's see.... LB Coach Dale Lindsay and Shaun Springs both made comments about his knowledge of the defense. Those comments were dutifully, no gleefully, reported by the news media. Those things should not have been said, even if they were true. How would you like it if one of your co-workers told the press that essentually you were not able to understand your job as a duelly appointed reporter/moderator/ founding father/upright Redskins fan for THN? You would and should be violently upset and rightfully so even though we all know that your dedication to the Redskins and this board and reporting about the Redskins are exemplary.

This board has rules about personal attacks, I would think that in the real world those 2 should have known to not make statements that could be implied as a persoanl attack by the media. (In my real world, the last thing you want to do is p*** of the opponent. They get mean and even.) But you know how the press is!! Those statements will probably be reported by every newspaper, sports commentator, sports show (probable NFL Network will have e 30 minute special), sports wannabe and hashed out before next Sundays game. Who knows, we may see those comments flashed on the stadium screen.

Now would you please go ask Mr. Sellers to knock his a** down so Mr. Portis can score his touchdown?

I agree that saying arrington didnt know the defense was a little out of line but so was TAKING GW's PLAYBOOK. IMO, he is the one that started opening the can of worms by saying that so the truth came out that he didn't know it anyway so it doesn't matter. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

action= I took playbook

reaction= He doesn't know playbook

[Riggmonkman]

Did he tell them anything Pierce hasn't already? Remember, Pierce called the D signals when he was here.

I think that's the biggest reason for the beating we took up there last year.
Pierce spelled out the D and Hassleback the O and it showed - it was the worst Skins performance in recent memory.

This is EXACTLY what I thought last year.

[Braden]

It's quite obvious now that the Coaches were right when they think of him as a freelancer who isn't able to be disciplined within the system. Clearly, LaVar was being agitated because people have finally found out what kind of a player he is and now his reputation in the NFL is gonna go downhill with Management from every other NFL team.

You make a really good point about this, but I got the impression that NFL execs and scouts saw this back a couple of years ago, and his reputation is already in the dumps. Greg Williams and Joe Gibbs have pretty good reps around the league, so when LaVar wasn't playing, it must have been pretty telling that something wasn't right, whether it was his attitude, his ability, or his knowledge of the system. That, along with the whole "The Redskins duped me in my last contract, and it wasn't my agent's fault - It was the team's" BS showed him for the team cancer and salary cap deadweight that he really is.

When he bought out his own contract to become a FA early this year, all of the pundits and mouthpieces in the media expected him to get signed immediately "because he's a monster!!!" It took like a month for anyone to even bring him in for a physical. NO ONE wanted him. Even Green Bay told him to take a hike, and you could drive a truck through their defense. Now, it may have been partly because of the knee, but don't you think more teams would have at least wanted to visit with him to just ASK him about his health if he was really as good as advertised? Teams like Green Bay may have publicly said they didn't sign him because of his knee, but I think we're looking at a severe lack of talent, intelligence, and attitude more than anything else. When the Giants eat the salary cap dead money and get rid of him after this year, we'll see just how much he's NOT wanted around the league, and your point about management from other NFL teams finding out what kind of player he really is will prove true once again. Just my $0.02 on "Mr. Nickels From The School Of Hard Knocks."

[jru37726]

Arrington is the biggest baby i have ever heard in my life....last year right before the last regular season game of the yr vs. the Eagles and most important game in years for this franchise, he whines that nobody pays any attention to him anymore,and now he says it isnt worth getting into a war of words yet then says that he has the playbook and practically calls out Joe Gibbs in the process.

The guy is a bum. And a traitor. Have a little class Lavar and don;t be mad at the Redskins that you were injured for 2 straight years and they felt Warrick Holdman;s skills were better than yours. Take it like a man. How bout instead of running your big mouth and whining like you normally do, how bout sacking a QB (which you havent done in 2 seasons) or doing something of any consequence on the football field, then we'll listen to that big,non-making sense mouth of yours.