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I have a hunch that we may be rethinking the TJ Duckett deal, but with the October 17 - Trade Deadline we may try and get another player or picks for him or Betts. Seattle may be in the market for a running back with Alexander now hurt. The team knows that both of them are not going to be on the team next year, we may try and keep one but I don't think we will.
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First of all, I have never said anything negative about Brandon Lloyd. I have no problem with that move. I think he'll do good things for us. I know you were responding to other people besides me, I'm just putting that out there.

I didn't realize Russell was still in the NFL, that's cool for him. I'm just saying that Dockery and Cooley are examples of how valuable a 3rd round pick can be. If you can point out players who are examples of 3rd round disappointments, I should be able to point out players who are examples of the value of 3rd round picks.

You said that losing Patten to an injury last season illustrated why we need depth. My response was that we have far more RB depth this year (even without Duckett) than we had WR depth last year, so I didn't see the comparison as making sense.

Maybe as the season goes by I will see why trading a 3rd round pick for a 3rd RB is a smart move but right now I just can't understand it. You keep bringing up Betts leaving in free agency but how much longer does Duckett have on his deal? (I really don't know, I'm not trying to be a wiseass there, just asking.)

I think you are right that our brass doesn't see Rock as a 3rd RB. I won't argue with you about that. But in an earlier post you said that the team couldn't justify playing Duckett over Rock on Sunday because he scored a TD in the Dallas game. Rock had some nice plays on Sunday, I remember him making a nice play in punt coverage and again had some decent returns. So when will they be able to justify benching Rock? Do we have to wait for him to fumble a kickoff before Duckett can play?

On our first drive against Houston on Sunday we had a 3rd and 1 on our first series and I remember thinking okay let's give it to Duckett, this is why we got him. We gave it to Portis who got stuffed and we ended up punting. As you know, Houston then scored a TD to go up 7-0. A few minutes later I noticed Duckett on the sidelines not even wearing a uniform! I'm just sick of giving away draft choices and I'll admit that I lost my cool when I saw Duckett standing in street clothes on the sidelines on Sunday. I really wish we'd hang on to our draft picks.

I really hope you are right about Duckett and your best point of all is that it is only Week 4 and that we have a long way to go. All I'm saying is that right now I think we made a mistake. Hopefully, TJ and the Redskins will prove me to be wrong and you to be right. I think that's really what we all want here.
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Like I said though, his biggest value was guarding against Clinton being unable to return quickly... and he's already done that. Clinton's back and looked fine against Houston.

Now Duckett's only real value is in leverage for Betts talks. He isn't going to supplant CP or LB unless one of them gets hurt, so i do agree that he has little worth now unless someone gets hurt.

I DO think the Redskins would trade Duckett if they got a similar draft pick back to what they gave up. If Clinton's shoulder injury continues to be a non-issue (as it looked on sunday).

I'm sure that the Redskins WOULD undo the deal now if they could... KNOWING that Portis is going to be back to pretty much full steam by week 3... but they didn't know that when they made the deal. At the time portis was out indefinitely AND Betts sat out that week's game with a hamstring injury, it's not hard to understand why the Redskins felt they had to do something substantial when we've all seen what the Redskins ability to run the ball means to the offense.

Now Duckett's just a third back who COULD earn a spot were he a special teams whiz... but since Rock Cartwright is... and the 3rd string RB is back to being a 3rd string RB and not higher because of someone else's injury, the spot is going to the guy playing teams. And Rock is not only playing teams but is less than 10 days removed from a ST TD.

So please don't get me wrong... I'm not trying to dispute that TJ doesn't have much use now that his backup services aren't needed.

Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do about it now, and hindsight is always 20/20.

If the Redskins can get a 4th for him, I'm sure they would take it.
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From today's Post....

Running back T.J. Duckett said he was surprised to be inactive Sunday. The Redskins gave up the equivalent of a high third-round pick to get Duckett, a former first-round pick in the preseason, but he failed to get on the field in Week 1 and carried just five times in Week 2. He didn't even dress for Houston.

"Of course, it eats at me," said Duckett, who is in the final year of his contract. "Athletes are competitors. You always want to play. You want to get on the field and perform, but at the same time it's a team sport, and you have to be a team player." . . .
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I've heard nothing but good things about the way TJ handled it.
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In today's NFL you need two quality running backs. If TJ were brought in with the expectation of being a long-term backup, I would agree with it. In fact, if he indeed resigns to be our 2 in the 1-2 punch, then its a good move.

Ladell Betts is going to leave. He is more of an every down back because he can do more than TJ can, and some other team will offer him a nice contract ala Lamont Jordan when he left New York. Why we don't draft these players is puzzling to me. You get more years of production for less money this way, but who am I?

We'll have to wait and see. To be honest, IMO, TJ was deactivated because when one our our backs doesn't play Teams and the others do, it makes it hard to carry him in the game if we need an extra body at another position.

Both Ladell and Rock play teams, thus you keep them both on gameday and get two for one.
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Was Duckett active for yesterday's game?
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Mursilis wrote:Was Duckett active for yesterday's game?


Who cares? :)
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cvillehog wrote:Who cares? :)


Actually, I care. I'm still waiting to see Duckett come on on those 3rd and short situations...which, I thought, is why we signed the guy to begin with?

If the Skins are not going to play him, would they be better served my just releasing him and trying to sign another player in an area of need?

If, on the other hand, he is more of an insurance policy, I suppose I could understand that. I still would like to see him play a little more than he has thus far.
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Duckett is clearly Portis insurance.
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admin wrote:... so just out of curiosity... what happens if Portis or Moss gets hurt? or A.R.E gets hurt on special teams duty?

... or are we playing a 3 game season?

Easy to judge now when every one of them is healthy.

And what happens when Betts bolts for number one money at the end of the year?

Personally I'm glad that e have people running the organization with a bigger window to look at than 3 games.


Right on BH! Its called depth and the big picture is that this offense needs depth at a lot of key positions.

Gibbs is in charge and he really does not value the higher draft picks like some here - we are not likely to build through the draft with Gibbs but he never did, and look at how he has done. I do think he has enjoyed the recent high draft picks but as we start to end up on the bottom of the draft order, I'm happy to keep acquiring those experienced, productive players rather than gamble on the high draft picks. :lol:

Some of Gibbs low picks have turned out pretty well!!! my 2 cents
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cvillehog wrote:Who cares? :)


I do. I'm curious about even tiny details like this when it comes to the Redskins.
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Duckett was in street clothes on the sideline last night. That is all I know.
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HOSS wrote:Duckett was in street clothes on the sideline last night. That is all I know.


Through 1/4 of the season Duckett has 5 carries and has been in street clothes on the sidelines for 2 games.

We also have two other young RBs that are averaging roughly 5 yards per carry.

I still don't see why we traded a 3 to get this guy.

Hopefully, I'll be proven wrong down the line.
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Are you sure he was HOss? I swear we saw him block on that Moss touchdown in the first! He blocked a guy right at about the 15 yard line. I'm going to catch the replay and I'll know 100% but they replayed it several times and I saw 36 and so did Scott.
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NFL.com lists him as inactive. I saw him in street clothes after the game, walking back to the lockerroom.
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Duckett was in street clothes yesterday. It's reported on the Skins website.

Trading a 3rd rounder for him seems a bit extreme right now. But it didn't six weeks ago. And it may not six weeks from now.

Personally, I'd rather have the 3rd next year, but I also understand that once the season is over the front office can wheel and deal for a 3rd round pick.

As George Allen said, "The future is now." And as frequently as Betts get dinged up, having Duckett at the ready is a smart move.
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NikiH wrote:Are you sure he was HOss? I swear we saw him block on that Moss touchdown in the first! He blocked a guy right at about the 15 yard line. I'm going to catch the replay and I'll know 100% but they replayed it several times and I saw 36 and so did Scott.


Yes I'm sure. He walked right in front us us at half time and at the end of the game.
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Gnome wrote:Duckett was in street clothes yesterday. It's reported on the Skins website.

Trading a 3rd rounder for him seems a bit extreme right now. But it didn't six weeks ago. And it may not six weeks from now.

Personally, I'd rather have the 3rd next year, but I also understand that once the season is over the front office can wheel and deal for a 3rd round pick.

As George Allen said, "The future is now." And as frequently as Betts get dinged up, having Duckett at the ready is a smart move.


Keeping TJ is probably best for an insurance policy in case Betts or Portis gets hurt. The Redskins should not even think about trading him right now, they could need him down the stretch.
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Forever Young wrote:
Keeping TJ is probably best for an insurance policy in case Betts or Portis gets hurt. The Redskins should not even think about trading him right now, they could need him down the stretch.


Is an insurance policy worth a 3rd round pick? My 2 cents.

I know, hindsight is always 20/20.
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HOSS wrote:
NikiH wrote:Are you sure he was HOss? I swear we saw him block on that Moss touchdown in the first! He blocked a guy right at about the 15 yard line. I'm going to catch the replay and I'll know 100% but they replayed it several times and I saw 36 and so did Scott.


Yes I'm sure. He walked right in front us us at half time and at the end of the game.


Yep, it looked like 36 on our little TV's, but having now seen the replays, it was definitely Portis.
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Post by Snout »

Maybe another team's running back will suffer an injury and we can trade Duckett for a second round pick. Anyone think of that?
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No-no-no. Keep him. He's trying out on teams. We'll find a way to utilize him until the situations we signed him for come up. There's nothing like a hungry player with fresh wheels. He's only inactive because we need to keep Fauria, et.al in there for blocking/receiving. Look at it this way...we're prolonging his career. :)
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Post by joebagadonuts »

I believe that Duckett will play a significant role on this team this year. Once the tight end situation is cleared up, I think you'll start seeing him in on shrt yardage situations, and in the second or third quarter of games where Saunders is trying to beat up the defense a bit and wear them down. Patience, grasshopper.
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Another game where Duckett didn't play (that I saw - did I miss him?). Sure, depth is nice, but why are we stocking up on RBs when we seem to need something other than turnstiles at defensive back? Maybe this Duckett trade will in fact look brilliant later, but so far, his stats are 1 game, 5 carries, 24 yards. And has he signed an extension yet? Otherwise, he's gone at the end of the year, isn't he?
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