Brunell Hurt ?

USAFSkinFan · Post by **USAFSkinFan** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:28 pm

Just because I don't thinking he's sticking to what my perception of what the plan was, doesn't mean he's lying... this is a bit of a 'tweener situation... If I'm JC, i'm thinking like this... Joe tells me at the beginning of the season, that Todd's the in-game back up if Mark gets hurt, and I'll get the reps in practice during the week to prepare for the next start if Mark can't go... now if it's true that back-up QBs generally don't get the reps during the week, then It wouldn't be a big leap for Jason to feel like Todd would go through the season as he always has without getting reps in practice, and that If Brunell would ever go a week without practicing (which could lead to not playing on Sunday) then he, Jason, would get the reps...

that's all I'm saying... couldn't this be perceived by Jason to be contrary to what he thought was going to happen, and in turn be a blow to his ego/confidence?...

Forever Young · Post by **Forever Young** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:35 pm

redskindave wrote:Damn, Thats not good, Right when Brunell is starting to get with the system

9erFan · Post by **9erFan** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:15 pm

Before last year's draft I wanted the 49ers to either trade down to get Campbell, or take Braylon Edwards and Charlie Frye. I felt Alex Smith's play last year (along with Edwards') justified my position. Obviously, this year I am eating a bit of crow at the fansite I post on (49erswebzone.com).

I am curious as to what posters on this site feel the reason for Campbell's being a third-stringer is, as I thought he was really good in college.

Is the coaching staff down on him, or is it simply a product of wanting to win "right now"?

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:19 pm

The coaching staff has taken a very conservative stance on this. If Brunell goes down in the middle of the game, they want Collins to play the remainder of the game, which is why he is listed at number two. If Brunell can't play the following week, they will take the full week and prepare Campbell to start, and Collins will remain the number 2 quarterback.

Basically, they want Campbell's first taste of NFL action to come after a full week of preparation, not in the middle of a game. It's no knock on Campbell. Just a tactical decision by Gibbs and Company.

9erFan · Post by **9erFan** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:28 pm

JansenFan wrote:The coaching staff has taken a very conservative stance on this. If Brunell goes down in the middle of the game, they want Collins to play the remainder of the game, which is why he is listed at number two. If Brunell can't play the following week, they will take the full week and prepare Campbell to start, and Collins will remain the number 2 quarterback.

Basically, they want Campbell's first taste of NFL action to come after a full week of preparation, not in the middle of a game. It's no knock on Campbell. Just a tactical decision by Gibbs and Company.

Thanks for the info.

Also, do you see any potential improvement from Andre Carter? He is such a physical specimen, and I do know the 49ers tried really hard to get him to stay in San Francisco for a little less money (eg getting teammates to put pressure on him, etc).

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:25 pm

He's got potential. I think once Shawn Springs comes back, The defense will be able to be more aggressive all the way around. Not to mention, it took until week 12 or 13 last season for Gregg Williams to "unleash" Phillip Daniels, which immediately resulted in 5 sacks in two weeks or something ridiculous like that. Perhaps they are making him learn his base schemes before giving his the go sign. It's really hard to tell. I do know that up to this point, none of our D-linemen have gotten much of a push with any consistency.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:42 pm

This injury all seems very strange to me...

I mean, it sounds really ugly...

Having a deep gash on your throwing elbow, seems like a huge problem... yet from the moment it happened it was treated as not being that big a deal.

That confuses me. No doubt Mark Brunell is tough, he's an NFL QB after all, but it seems like any soreness or toughness would hamper any QB enough to bump one of his backups up the depth chart.

Oh well, he's got 3 days to heal.

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:59 pm

JansenFan wrote:Not to mention, it took until week 12 or 13 last season for Gregg Williams to "unleash" Phillip Daniels, which immediately resulted in 5 sacks in two weeks or something ridiculous like that.

I think those sacks had a lot more to do with Daniels lining up across from Rob Petitti than it did Gregg Williams "unleashing" him.

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:52 pm

While that definitely helps, I remember reading a quote where Daniels said he was given the ok to be more agressive in his pass rush towards the end of the season.

Forever Young · Post by **Forever Young** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:54 pm

Steve Spurrier III wrote:
JansenFan wrote:Not to mention, it took until week 12 or 13 last season for Gregg Williams to "unleash" Phillip Daniels, which immediately resulted in 5 sacks in two weeks or something ridiculous like that.

I think those sacks had a lot more to do with Daniels lining up across from Rob Petitti than it did Gregg Williams "unleashing" him.

I agree and IMO that sounds a little absurd. Also, would that not be a contradiction to Gregg Williams coaching philosophy?

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:41 pm

He's got potential. I think once Shawn Springs comes back, The defense will be able to be more aggressive all the way around. Not to mention, it took until week 12 or 13 last season for Gregg Williams to "unleash" Phillip Daniels, which immediately resulted in 5 sacks in two weeks or something ridiculous like that. Perhaps they are making him learn his base schemes before giving his the go sign. It's really hard to tell. I do know that up to this point, none of our D-linemen have gotten much of a push with any consistency.

Or maybe Carter just isn't very good. He has had only 1 really good season so far in his career and this season he has been getting thrown around by just every offensive lineman that he has lined up against.

9erFan · Post by **9erFan** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:17 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:
He's got potential. I think once Shawn Springs comes back, The defense will be able to be more aggressive all the way around. Not to mention, it took until week 12 or 13 last season for Gregg Williams to "unleash" Phillip Daniels, which immediately resulted in 5 sacks in two weeks or something ridiculous like that. Perhaps they are making him learn his base schemes before giving his the go sign. It's really hard to tell. I do know that up to this point, none of our D-linemen have gotten much of a push with any consistency.

Or maybe Carter just isn't very good. He has had only 1 really good season so far in his career and this season he has been getting thrown around by just every offensive lineman that he has lined up against.

The biggest concern in San Francisco was the back injury. These things can be dicey.

The concensus opinion of 49ers fans was that he was better suited as a linebacker in a 3-4. This was both sue to his lack of size and his back issues. His stats may not have shown it, but he really had started to learn the position towards the end of the season, and most of us wanted him back more than Peterson (although not at the cost he was asking for).

I am wondering, since the only Redskins game I have seen was the Monday night game, does his inability seem to stem more from a lack of support through the rest of the line or a back/size issue? Certainly, even a GREAT DE will have problems if the rest of the line is not performing, but his ability to play that role is certainly in question.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:09 pm

Oops, I mistakenly wandered into the Andre Carter thread.

*checks thread title*

USAFSkinFan · Post by **USAFSkinFan** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:16 am

USAFSkinFan wrote:Just because I don't thinking he's sticking to what my perception of what the plan was, doesn't mean he's lying... this is a bit of a 'tweener situation... If I'm JC, i'm thinking like this... Joe tells me at the beginning of the season, that Todd's the in-game back up if Mark gets hurt, and I'll get the reps in practice during the week to prepare for the next start if Mark can't go... now if it's true that back-up QBs generally don't get the reps during the week, then It wouldn't be a big leap for Jason to feel like Todd would go through the season as he always has without getting reps in practice, and that If Brunell would ever go a week without practicing (which could lead to not playing on Sunday) then he, Jason, would get the reps...

that's all I'm saying... couldn't this be perceived by Jason to be contrary to what he thought was going to happen, and in turn be a blow to his ego/confidence?...

back on topic... any thoughts?

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:25 am

USAFSkinFan wrote:
USAFSkinFan wrote:Just because I don't thinking he's sticking to what my perception of what the plan was, doesn't mean he's lying... this is a bit of a 'tweener situation... If I'm JC, i'm thinking like this... Joe tells me at the beginning of the season, that Todd's the in-game back up if Mark gets hurt, and I'll get the reps in practice during the week to prepare for the next start if Mark can't go... now if it's true that back-up QBs generally don't get the reps during the week, then It wouldn't be a big leap for Jason to feel like Todd would go through the season as he always has without getting reps in practice, and that If Brunell would ever go a week without practicing (which could lead to not playing on Sunday) then he, Jason, would get the reps...

that's all I'm saying... couldn't this be perceived by Jason to be contrary to what he thought was going to happen, and in turn be a blow to his ego/confidence?...

back on topic... any thoughts?

http://www.thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=275949&highlight=#275949

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:27 am

Also: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/28/AR2006092801614.html

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:02 pm

ESPN.com reports Brunnell practices, expects to play vs. Jaguars

Nothing new, save the fact that the World Wide Leader misspelled our quarterback's name.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:08 pm

Steve Spurrier III wrote:save the fact that the World Wide Leader misspelled our quarterback's name.

Again...

Gnome · Post by **Gnome** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:40 pm

Cut the man's elbow at the beginning of every game!

This is the second straight week I gotta give Mark and Atta-boy! Moss was the star, Portis the threat, but Mark was the band leader.

He mentioned in his post game interview that he felt really good having rested a few days during the week and not practicing until Friday.

Maybe that's key for him - resting his arm during the week. As an old guy myself, I can relate. It will be interesting to see what the coaches do with him during the week.

Along with the wounded Bruenell, I gotta give a huge Atta-Peeps! to the home crowd today. I wish I had been there. Watching on TV in Peachtree City, it's finally starting to feel like RFK did (although that place is hallowed territory) and it's great to see such a great Skins crowd on TV.

Last word, Atta-Boy Mark!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:54 pm

Gnome wrote:Cut the man's elbow at the beginning of every game!

You shouldn't have to. The area is notoriously slow to heal.
I think you can thank the offensive line for keeping that famous Jaguar front quiet all afternoon.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:03 am

I think he should just sit out practice for most of the week.

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:04 am

Gnome wrote:He mentioned in his post game interview that he felt really good having rested a few days during the week and not practicing until Friday.

Maybe that's key for him - resting his arm during the week. As an old guy myself, I can relate. It will be interesting to see what the coaches do with him during the week.

I think that could work as well.

Remember a few years back when McNair won the MVP? Well I'm pretty sure he never practiced during the week, and just played on game-day.

Now I'm not suggesting that, but maybe like Gnome said, just let him practice on Fri so he'll be fresh for the whole season...

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:41 am

Coach Gibbs has never been big on holding people out of practice for the sake of keeping them fresh. I think that he ought to stick with that, since the playbook is so new.
It's nice that Brunell felt "fresh", but you can't park your starting QB for two days a week and expect him to work in the new stuff. Brunell's success yesterday was the result of a number of things, not the least of which was excellent protection and establishing the run bright and early.
Maybe there's some middle ground there with resting...but I can't imagine that the staff would make it a regular deal.
I've been wrong more than right, though.