Harrison passes Monk

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:16 am

Marvin Harrison has moved past Art Monk the 5th place on the all time receptions list. Harrison now has 943 catches!

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:33 pm

Yep, but Art did it in a far less happy-pass offense with a team that emphsised the run as the basis for its game plans.

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:45 am

I see many similarities: quiet, team first attitude, great hands, and RAC abilities.

theoneandonly#9 · Post by **theoneandonly#9** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:56 pm

joebagadonuts wrote:I see many similarities: quiet, team first attitude, great hands, and RAC abilities.

True, it makes one wonder if five years after Marvin is done playing the HOF will shaft him as well. I figured owning the all time record for receptions (at one time) would make Art a lock, but were still waiting.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:57 am

Took him long enough, didn't it? Monk hasn't caught a pass professionally in 12 years, and he was still in the top 5 last week.
Don't get me started.

TincoSkin · Post by **TincoSkin** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:37 am

think harrison will be in the hall before monk?

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:09 pm

I don't know how many remember that Art Monk thread where I posted some numbers for all the Hall of Famers comparing their yards per game averages agains the league yards per game average, adjusting for various variables. The idea being to get an idea of how well a guy performed relative to his peers, and thus being able to compare recievers of different eras.

There are numerous problems with that method, many of which were pointed out in that thread. But I (and hopefully some others) found some of the results interesting nonetheless.

Anyway, I went ahead and punched Harrison's in Harrison's numbers. Harrison's numbers have obviously been aided by the fact that he hasn't had to play any seasons past his prime (if I ever get around to doing Irvin's numbers, that will be a problem as well). That being said, he compares very favorably to the all-time greats:

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PLAYER        CAR   BEST
ALWORTH      .401 (.551)
HARRISON     .350 (.457)
WARFIELD     .338 (.409)
LAVELI       .338 (.453)
HIRSCH       .333 (.404)
PIHOS        .313 (.451)
STALLWORTH   .307 (.382)
FEARS        .294 (.499)
BILETNIKOFF  .294 (.382)
MAYNARD      .294 (.497)
SWANN        .292 (.330)
LARGENT      .290 (.415)
TAYLOR       .284 (.413)
BERRY        .283 (.567)
MONK         .279 (.376)
LOFTON       .269 (.363)
MITCHELL     .239 (.482)
MCDONALD     .231 (.405)
JOINER       .202 (.435)

I expect when it's all said and done, he'll be down in the Warfield/Laveli/Hirsch .330-range - you'll notice that despite his high career mark, his single-season best isn't that overwhelming. Even still, very impressive.

Harrison is going to be lock for the Hall. The knock on Monk (and I'm not the guy making this argument) is that he didn't score the touchdowns (68). Harrison already has 110, and will probably double up Monk by the time he retires. But when he does get in, I hope everyone wonders aloud why a guy with a lower YPC (13.3) than Art Monk (13.5) got in before Monk did. Hopefully it won't come to that.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:45 am

Steve Spurrier III wrote:There are numerous problems with that method, many of which were pointed out in that thread. But I (and hopefully some others) found some of the results interesting nonetheless.

I seem to remember. :lol:

But I also remember your idea to develop a more complete statistical model with many more variables and some intangible factors to perform some comparisons. Interesting idea. Have you given it a serious try?

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:13 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:But I also remember your idea to develop a more complete statistical model with many more variables and some intangible factors to perform some comparisons. Interesting idea. Have you given it a serious try?

The number of times a team runs or passes versus the league average has been incorporated. Unfortunately, I haven't done nearly as much work on it as I had originally planned. I hope to do a serious and hopefully complete overhaul this spring.

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:22 am

Oh wow, I thought this was a story about a horrific kidney stone experience

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:28 pm

Nah. Monk would've come out with a ball. It'd be a bigger news item.