Changing Horses Mid-Stream? (Should we switch QB's)

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:05 pm

I was thinking the other day, that I don't really know a lot about Jason Campbell. Very good college QB, excellent athelete, multi-sport star, about 6'5'' 230 pounds... but I don't know how good he would be playing QB in the NFL... none of us really can. (Even Joe Gibbs isn't 100% certain, no one can be.)

This is a question that we've all been asking, should we start Jason Campbell at Quarterback over Mark Brunell. Some people say yes, but it seems to all be based on their lack of confidence in #8 than an abundance of confidence in JC Superstar (hopefully.)

None of us know that Campbell would give us a better chance at winning, and none of us know that Brunell is really all washed up.

So what do we know about Campbell? How do we know he would be a better starter than Mark B?

Well, I thought we could compile what we know here:

SEC Player of the Year

MVP of SEC championship game

NFL.com Prospect Profile

(4.69 in the 40-yard dash
285-pound bench press
370-pound squat
305-pound power clean
35-inch vertical jump
33½-inch arm length
9 1/8-inch hands)

Jason Campbell highlight films (via Youtube)

Fact is, Campbell looks great, but we don't know how fast he's picking up the playbook, how his decision making is, how much he's improved since college or any of that.

I'm just about as fed up as Brunell as anyone, but we have no idea what Campbell can bring to the table. Is he worth the gamble?

DiRTyHoG3026 · Post by **DiRTyHoG3026** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:20 pm

From what I've seen tonight out of Brunell, How could JC be any worse. Hell, as long as he'd at least take a shot down the field, I would be delighted to see him play.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:25 pm

I say take Brunell out. Lets let JC learn the offense now so we can have him primed at ready. Brunell clearly isn't going to start next year and allowing him to learn this offense just to bench him next year is pointless. He clearly isn't comfortable.

Yes, Im off the Brunell wagon.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:30 pm

But see what I'm saying. It seems to be that you want Campbell to start, for reasons other han 2006 success. Let him learn the offense, he's our future etc...

Would Campbell be scrapping the season?

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:31 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:But see what I'm saying. It seems to be that you want Campbell to start, for reasons other han 2006 success. Let him learn the offense, he's our future etc...

Would Campbell be scrapping the season?

Brunell is scrapping the season right now!!! Where are all the "Brunell gives us the best chance to win now!!" apologists?!?!

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:31 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:But see what I'm saying. It seems to be that you want Campbell to start, for reasons other han 2006 success. Let him learn the offense, he's our future etc...

Would Campbell be scrapping the season?

I dont think so. I think he may provide a spark to the offense. I dunnno, Im still heated so I need time to think.

Brunell doesn't show ANY improvement. He doesn't look good at all. The way he's playing, he's not givng me much hope.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:31 pm

Would Campbell be scrapping the season?

Playing Brunell is basically scrapping the season. He is done. Plain and simple.

nuskins · Post by **nuskins** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:32 pm

Brunell's happy feet showed his age tonight, hell , for the last 6 weeks really. He clearly has no grasp of this offense and his accuracy is awful. I was never on the Brunell bandwagon to get off but I say bench him immediately and let JC run with this, whatever the result may be.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:32 pm

Brunell clearly isn't going to start next year and allowing him to learn this offense just to bench him next year is pointless.

Excellent point.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:33 pm

nuskins wrote:Brunell's happy feet showed his age tonight, hell , for the last 6 weeks really. He clearly has no grasp of this offense and his accuracy is awful. I was never on the Brunell bandwagon to get off but I say bench him immediately and let JC run with this, whatever the result may be.

Its not going to happen. Brunell is playing like he's hurt (2004). That year also shows us that Brunell has to die before Gibbs will bench him.

skinsfanno9 · Post by **skinsfanno9** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:33 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:But see what I'm saying. It seems to be that you want Campbell to start, for reasons other han 2006 success. Let him learn the offense, he's our future etc...

Would Campbell be scrapping the season?

Point is, its pretty clear that starting Brunell means scrapping the season. Discounting the last drive, Brunell looked absolutely and utterly pathetic. Completely, utterly pathetic. He really needs to go to the bench.

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:35 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:But see what I'm saying. It seems to be that you want Campbell to start, for reasons other han 2006 success. Let him learn the offense, he's our future etc...

Would Campbell be scrapping the season?

I dont think so. I think he may provide a spark to the offense. I dunnno, Im still heated so I need time to think.

Brunell doesn't show ANY improvement. He doesn't look good at all. The way he's playing, he's not givng me much hope.

Statistically, he declined. Last week, he was merely OK. This week, he was downright awful. It's going to take 2 games of him deliberately throwing to the other team to get him benched though.

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:36 pm

Brian Mitchell (and to a lesser extent, Ray Brown) dumping all over Mark Brunell.

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:36 pm

Brunell made Bledsoe look good - that says it all.

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:38 pm

Is it really fair to gauge Brunell right now, without Portis in there. I betcha he would be a better QB with a better RB behind him.

Notwithstanding, if Brunell still stinks up the joint (as he has been) after Portis returns, I will be hoping that Campbell gets his shot sooner than later.

skinsfanno9 · Post by **skinsfanno9** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:40 pm

Justice Hog wrote:Is it really fair to gauge Brunell right now, without Portis in there. I betcha he would be a better QB with a better RB behind him.

Notwithstanding, if Brunell still stinks up the joint (as he has been) after Portis returns, I will be hoping that Campbell gets his shot sooner than later.

Brunell passed up open long balls and couldn't accurately hit short balls. Common, the guy stunk up the joint. Yes the Oline stunk too...

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:40 pm

Justice Hog wrote:Is it really fair to gauge Brunell right now, without Portis in there. I betcha he would be a better QB with a better RB behind him.

Yeah, because at least Brunell can hand off! But Portis not being there has nothing to do with Brunell being inaccurate and always throwing it out of bounds! (Unless no one told him Portis was out, and he was trying to hit CP over there on the bench!!)

Notwithstanding, if Brunell still stinks up the joint (as he has been) after Portis returns, I will be hoping that Campbell gets his shot sooner than later.

Why wait until CP returns?! Play JC now before MB gives us too many more '04 flashbacks!!

redskins-28 · Post by **redskins-28** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:40 pm

I agree with all of you, no way we can make the post season with Brunell. As previously said, he's playing like he did 2 years ago when he was hurt. He's just old and washed up, it's painful to watch him play, he throws away way too many passes and as already said...... accuracy..... what's that.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:44 pm

Justice Hog wrote:Is it really fair to gauge Brunell right now, without Portis in there. I betcha he would be a better QB with a better RB behind him.

Notwithstanding, if Brunell still stinks up the joint (as he has been) after Portis returns, I will be hoping that Campbell gets his shot sooner than later.

CP aint gon be healthy this year. We'd have to wait till next year to gauge that. Last time I checked CP doesn't throw the ball, I dont see how he helps Brunell throw.

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:45 pm

Yeah okay, let's just throw a rookie QB in there where he'll get no protection and lose all of his confidence. :roll:

Sure, Brunell did TERRIBLE tonight, but how do you think a ROOKIE would have done.

Chris Samules and Jon Jansen got out right dominated and your suggesting we should throw in a rookie QB who is the future of our team?

I am telling you right now, there is no way a rookie QB, learning a 700 page playbook would succeed in this situation.

skinsfanno9 · Post by **skinsfanno9** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:46 pm

air_hog wrote:Yeah okay, let's just throw a rookie QB in there where he'll get no protection and lose all of his confidence.

Sure, Brunell did TERRIBLE tonight, but how do you think a ROOKIE would have done.

Chris Samules and Jon Jansen got out right dominated and your suggesting we should throw in a rookie QB who is the future of our team?

I am telling you right now, there is no way a rookie QB, learning a 700 page playbook would succeed in this situation.

Campbell could have run. This alone puts him ahead of Brunell, assuming neither of them can pass. Considering how absolutely pathetic our Oline is, Campbell gives us the best chance for a win. When the rush the house, Campbell at least has a chance to break free.

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:48 pm

air_hog wrote:Yeah okay, let's just throw a rookie QB in there where he'll get no protection and lose all of his confidence.

Sure, Brunell did TERRIBLE tonight, but how do you think a ROOKIE would have done.

Chris Samules and Jon Jansen got out right dominated and your suggesting we should throw in a rookie QB who is the future of our team?

I am telling you right now, there is no way a rookie QB, learning a 700 page playbook would succeed in this situation.

JC isn't a rookie, this is his second year. Check out Daunte Culpepper's second year, after he rode the pine a year to learn. Check out Brady's first year with real starts, check out Big Ben. It can be done. JC came out of Auburn, not some two-bit junior college. And besides, what's Brunell doing, besides throwing away the season!?!?

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:53 pm

skinsfanno9 wrote:
air_hog wrote:Yeah okay, let's just throw a rookie QB in there where he'll get no protection and lose all of his confidence.

Sure, Brunell did TERRIBLE tonight, but how do you think a ROOKIE would have done.

Chris Samules and Jon Jansen got out right dominated and your suggesting we should throw in a rookie QB who is the future of our team?

I am telling you right now, there is no way a rookie QB, learning a 700 page playbook would succeed in this situation.

Campbell could have run. This alone puts him ahead of Brunell, assuming neither of them can pass. Considering how absolutely pathetic our Oline is, Campbell gives us the best chance for a win. When the rush the house, Campbell at least has a chance to break free.

Bro, Brunell can run just as well as Campbell, but what's the point?

What will running for your life get you, 2 yards maybe?

And if we throw JC in there, he'll have so much going on around him, he won't even have time to think about running.

Plus next week is against Houston. Hopefully it will be a game where the offense gels and we break out for 30 points. I mean, we've had one those games each of the past 2 years and those were the games where we became a team.

thaiphoon · Post by **thaiphoon** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:55 pm

Is it really fair to gauge Brunell right now, without Portis in there. I betcha he would be a better QB with a better RB behind him.

Peyton Manning lost Edgerrin James and now has to rely on Dominic Rhodes and Joseph Addai... he and the Colt's Offense still get it done. Blitzes are still picked up and the ball still travels downfield to the receivers outstretched hands.

Now.. Brunell is not Peyton Manning.. BUT he IS a starting QB in this league. And starting QB's don't play the wya he's played the past 8 our 9 games (including preseason and end of last year).

Granted, the O-line is playing like its swiss cheese, so alot of the blame lies there as well...

skinsfanno9 · Post by **skinsfanno9** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:55 pm

air_hog wrote:Bro, Brunell can run just as well as Campbell, but what's the point?

I couldn't disagree with you more on that. 5 years ago? Sure, maybe. Not now. Brunell isn't that mobile. And Campbell showed in preseason that he could break more than a 2 yard run. This makes the defense play a little bit more honest.