DAMN THE COWBOYS GOT DREW HENSON!

gambit187 · Post by **gambit187** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:31 pm

tcwest10 wrote:No, no, Gambit. He stayed because Billy-Boy told him, "Look. I'm only gonna be here a couple years. Stick around, and I'll hand you the <A TITLE="Click for more information about job" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||job|AA1VDw">job</A> like I did with Billy-Boy Jr. and the Jets."
Don't get all worked up 'bout Sean Payton. I watched him "work his magic" here in NY.

Yeah tcwest and look how good Billy Boy Jr is doing in New England with the same thinking the Cowboys have started to use.......HUMMMMM

DallasCowboysFan · Post by **DallasCowboysFan** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:35 pm

If you watched him in NY you know he was responsible for the turn around of Collins and leading them into the Superbowl with his Offense. I know before you say he had his playcalling taken away from him, remember real closely all he did was have that schmuch of a head coach shorten his playbook! They were still running the same plays, just made it easier on the dumb arse G-Men!

One more thing not only is he one of the brightest young QB coaches don't forget he was the running backs coach for a guy by the name of Marshall Faulk in College.....

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:36 pm

Champsturf wrote:I hate to say it fellas, but this is a great move, IMHO. As long as Drew sits for at least 1 year, I think he'll turn out to be at least very good. It will take time, just as it will take Ramsey time to be all that he can be. What I think is transpiring is that WE will do much better in the next 2 years under Gibbs, then our cap trouble will hit and we will be back to mediocrity while the cowboys do step it up at little. All I see really is that we once again have an AWESOME rivalry again. This is what the NFL is all about. LET'S RIDE!!!!

I disagree. I don't think we will have any cap trouble that will handicap us in the future. Henson might be good, he might not. Its 50/50. But if he's a failure, Dallas won't be hurt by picking him up.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:42 pm

Okay, he's a good position coach. It doesn't hurt when the stock you're working with is a "Marshall Faulk" and a "Kerry Collins". All he had to do with Faulk was point the direction in which he was supposed to run and set him loose, and all he had to do with Kerry is get him to put the bottle down and stop calling people of color stupid names. Now, if Sean Payton had taken a, say, "Skip Hicks" or a "Gibran Hamden" and turned them into bona-fide starters in this league, he'd've turned my head. That "schmuck" coach you mention took his team to the SuperBowl. Payton calls Fassel a mentor. Wonder what Sean would think of you dissing a "mentor" of his ?
Out of the two, give me Fassel any day to raise up a young quarterback. If you look back on HIS career, you'd see a longer list of successful proteges than Payton will ever have.

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:43 pm

That's cool Brandon. I suppose you are right, that it's possible that he won't be good, but I think it's more like 70/30 that he'll be good. He just can't get thrown into the fire because he's NEVER seen the speed of the NFL. He'd be blown away and maybe for good. They better ease him into it or it's disaster for sure.
I don't have any idea what the cap will look like in '06, but I hope we're not doomed as previously stated. Everyone says we'll have to make cuts. Who doesn't??? I don't think Carolina really wanted to cut Steussie. Let just see how the chips fall and root for our beloved 'Skins.
HTTR

DallasCowboysFan · Post by **DallasCowboysFan** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:50 pm

So where is Fassel working now?

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:54 pm

If that's a poke at Fassell, bad move. He never should've gotten fired. He's a very good coach and that is who I wanted here before the miracle of brinng Gibbs back. His team just doesn't have what it takes, and I'm sure he would've been trying to rectify that this offseason. It's just too bad it's "win now" in the NFL, at least for Fassell's sake.
HTTR

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:57 pm

gambit187 wrote:Yeah tcwest and look how good Billy Boy Jr is doing in New England with the same thinking the Cowboys have started to use.......HUMMMMM

No arguing with the success of Billy in New England. It was clear, though, that he couldn't see taking the mess Parcells left him with in New York anywhere, so he went to New England.
Hmmm. He'd rather have Pete Carroll's sloppy seconds than Bill Parcells.

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:00 am

sweet call, tc

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:01 am

DallasCowboysFan wrote:So where is Fassel working now?

I'm sure you know where he's working. I'm also assuming that this is some sort of "point maker", though I guess I just don't get it. Maybe it sounded better in your head than it looks in type.
I'll wait until you get your argument organized, both mentally and on the keyboard.
I know, it's late. Usually, you're more succinct, right ?

DallasCowboysFan · Post by **DallasCowboysFan** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:10 am

I know where he's working he is a Consultant until he can find a Head Coaching job...Baltimore doesn't need his consulting skills, Baltimore won a Superbowl. Fassel was not that great of a Head Coach, he was 58-53-1 in NY. It wasn't the team, that was a great team for the last 5 years. Do you think they would have slacked off like they did for a Parcells, Gibbs, type coach. Heck no! Your giving the guy to much credit!

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:15 am

I could be wrong, but I seem to remember something about a guarentee that Fassel made regarding making the playoffs while his team was sliding down the standings. I also seem to remember them making it there. That is called motivation. Hi steam wasn't very good then but he found a way. I don't think I'm dishing out too uch credit at all, but we can always disagree, being on opposite sides of te fence.
HTTR

DallasCowboysFan · Post by **DallasCowboysFan** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:21 am

He had to do that every year though.... that year was that the next year was taking the play calling away. His team wasn't very good, I think that was the same team that went to the Superbowl the year before. Take off the rose colored glasses and you will see him for what he was worth.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:34 am

Oh, I'm not trying to give Fassel too much credit. He's another position coach whose early success got him a stint as a Head Coach, which bring us back to you. Don't get all pumped up about Payton. In my opinion, he's got a ways to go before anybody should say, "He's staying behind to lead us to a championship." Even a man such as Gibbs realized that no one man can do it all. So, he's surrounded himself with the best and brightest men he could find to help him do the job. Each has his own responsibility, but not each could win a SuperBowl. Gregg Williams is a fine example. He's a genius on one side of the ball, but is unable to get anything done on the other. Payton is a quarterback's coach. He's also served, on the collegiate level, as a RB coach.
He calls Fassel a mentor, because Jim Fassel handed him the playbook and said, "What do you think ?" Do you think Parcells would ever, ever do something like that ?
Not the Bill Parcells I grew up with !