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Ranking the running backs, team by team

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At some positions, depth is exclusively a matter of injury. The starter is the starter, and if all goes well, he's always the starter. Peyton Manning doesn't come off the field in certain formations. The Chiefs don't spell Willie Roaf on some plays or take him out for a series to keep him fresh. Evaluating those positions is about ranking the starters first and foremost, then making small adjustments based on the quality of the backups and the likelihood that they will play.
The same is not true for running backs. Herm Edwards wants the Chiefs to run the ball more than 500 times this year, and no team had fewer than 360 rushing attempts in 2005. 350 carries is heavy use for a single back. That leaves a lot of work for the rest of the depth chart. Add in the increasing number of teams that use a running back committee rather than a clear first-string starter, and it's clear that when ranking the NFL's 32 teams on their running backs, you have to consider more than just 32 players.

These rankings started with the productivity of each team's halfbacks in 2005 and then were adjusted subjectively for things like age (the cruel reality of the NFL, especially for running backs), the quality of fullbacks, and the likelihood of improvement or decline. Teams like the Giants, Falcons and Cardinals (including Edgerrin James) would top the charts based on last year, but they all rely heavily on aging backs likely to pull either a Curtis Martin — an injury-plagued season after a career year at age 31 — or a Marshall Faulk — a slow decline after a consistently productive career. The teams that top the rankings below have great starting backs who are relatively young and durable, with good players available behind them — and ideally great fullbacks in front of them.

You'll see a lot of stats you recognize here, and a couple you may not: DPAR, or Defense-adjusted Points Above Replacement, and DVOA, Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. Both stats take every single play during the season and compares it to the league average based on situation and opponent, rewarding players for strong performance on third down and in the red zone and giving them less credit for meaningless gains like a nine-yard catch on third-and-12. The difference: More DPAR means a running back with more total value, while a higher DVOA means a running back with more value per play. This page lists these advanced stats for all running backs in 2005, both rushing and receiving.

3. Washington
The Redskins may be a surprising choice at third, but they belong in the conversation with their neighbors in this list. Only five running backs posted more DPAR last year than Clinton Portis, and he is younger than any of them. After his rocky first year in Washington, Portis appears comfortable in Joe Gibbs' one-back offense. Last year, according to the Football Outsiders game charting project, only the Colts and Patriots ran behind a fullback less often than the Redskins. Ladell Betts and Rock Cartwright work well as change-of-pace backs — Cartwright in particular deserves more playing time — although neither has the all-around talent to really take over for Portis should he suffer a major injury.




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i think if betts stays healthy people are in for a shock.we did not spend a second round draft pick on him for nothing.Ladell is the real deal and i hope he has just a good enough season to keep him because he might be starting for another team in a couple of years.
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madman wrote:i think if betts stays healthy people are in for a shock.we did not spend a second round draft pick on him for nothing.Ladell is the real deal and i hope he has just a good enough season to keep him because he might be starting for another team in a couple of years.


The fact that we spent a 2nd rounder on him means nothing. Exhibit 1- Taylor Jacobs. So far, he hasn't played up to that level. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt if he ever will. In my opinion, Cartwright is better.
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I think Betts is largely underrated. He has shown how good he can be when he gets the opportunities, and you have to take into consideration, he has never been the #1 back. For his career with the Redskins, I believe he has done everything they have asked him to up to this point.
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JCaptMorgan12 wrote:I think Betts is largely underrated. He has shown how good he can be when he gets the opportunities, and you have to take into consideration, he has never been the #1 back. For his career with the Redskins, I believe he has done everything they have asked him to up to this point.


For the chances they had, Cartwright was more impressive last yr than Betts.
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Betts & 'The Rock' !

I love both these guys. Now that we have established respect at the receiver position, teams can't and won't load the box. I think all three guys, Portis, Betts and Rock will have impressive stats by years end.
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yupchagee wrote:
JCaptMorgan12 wrote:I think Betts is largely underrated. He has shown how good he can be when he gets the opportunities, and you have to take into consideration, he has never been the #1 back. For his career with the Redskins, I believe he has done everything they have asked him to up to this point.


For the chances they had, Cartwright was more impressive last yr than Betts.

I'm not sure what you were watching but I'd take Betts over Rock almost everytime
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1niksder wrote:
yupchagee wrote:
JCaptMorgan12 wrote:I think Betts is largely underrated. He has shown how good he can be when he gets the opportunities, and you have to take into consideration, he has never been the #1 back. For his career with the Redskins, I believe he has done everything they have asked him to up to this point.


For the chances they had, Cartwright was more impressive last yr than Betts.

I'm not sure what you were watching but I'd take Betts over Rock almost everytime


For the chances they had:

Cartwright 27carries 199yards 7.4yds/carry
Betts 89carries 338yards 3.8yds/carry
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betts is a lot more versatile back and is number 2 on the depth chart for a reason
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gay4pacman wrote:betts is a lot more versatile back and is number 2 on the depth chart for a reason


Of course there are reasonsfor the depth chart being what it is. I think we'll see RC as the starting FB this yr. That's how he is listed on the roster. I might be a little biased because I went to the rams game last yr & Rock had a fantistic game. He certainly seems to get the most out of his talent.
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yupchagee wrote:
gay4pacman wrote:betts is a lot more versatile back and is number 2 on the depth chart for a reason


Of course there are reasonsfor the depth chart being what it is. I think we'll see RC as the starting FB this yr. That's how he is listed on the roster. I might be a little biased because I went to the rams game last yr & Rock had a fantistic game. He certainly seems to get the most out of his talent.


The Rams game is what throws off the numbers
18 carries and 71 yards is what he would have had without the Rams game
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sellers will definetly start at fullback. 13 touches for 8 td's? he also is 280 pounds....rock wont see much action unless he is playing on teams
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gay4pacman wrote:sellers will definetly start at fullback. 13 touches for 8 td's? he also is 280 pounds....rock wont see much action unless he is playing on teams


Sellers career rushing: 2 carries for 3 yds, 38 receptions for 360 yds.

Cartwright: 139 carries for 632 yds, 31 receptions for 320 yds.

It's nice to have a FB who can carry the ball.

Don't get me wrong, Sellers is a valuable member of the team. We will see him a lot in the RZ, but I expect Rock to start.
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yupchagee wrote: watching but I'd take Betts over Rock almost everytime


For the chances they had:

Cartwright 27carries 199yards 7.4yds/carry
Betts 89carries 338yards 3.8yds/carry[/quote]

And...

yupchagee wrote: Sellers career rushing: 2 carries for 3 yds, 38 receptions for 360 yds.

Cartwright: 139 carries for 632 yds, 31 receptions for 320 yds.

It's nice to have a FB who can carry the ball.

Don't get me wrong, Sellers is a valuable member of the team. We will see him a lot in the RZ, but I expect Rock to start.


Equals:
Rock Cartwright 5'7" 215 lbs. 139 carries for 632 yds, 31 receptions for 320 yds.

or

Ledell Betts 5'10 222 lbs. 321 carries for 1271 yds, 52 receptions for 507 yds.


I might add these are 4 year totals for Rock as appose to only three years worth for Betts.

Betts is bigger and has been more active and as put up better numbers, Throw in Al Saunders and anyone that is surprised to see Betts line up in the backfield with Portis in 2006 really need to do more research.
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gay4pacman wrote:sellers will definetly start at fullback. 13 touches for 8 td's? he also is 280 pounds....rock wont see much action unless he is playing on teams


How many from the FB postion? 0 (Zilch), I fail to see the point :hmm:

Cooley had to rest some times. :wink:
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1niksder wrote:
yupchagee wrote: watching but I'd take Betts over Rock almost everytime


For the chances they had:

Cartwright 27carries 199yards 7.4yds/carry
Betts 89carries 338yards 3.8yds/carry


And...

yupchagee wrote: Sellers career rushing: 2 carries for 3 yds, 38 receptions for 360 yds.

Cartwright: 139 carries for 632 yds, 31 receptions for 320 yds.

It's nice to have a FB who can carry the ball.

Don't get me wrong, Sellers is a valuable member of the team. We will see him a lot in the RZ, but I expect Rock to start.


Equals:
Rock Cartwright 5'7" 215 lbs. 139 carries for 632 yds, 31 receptions for 320 yds.

or

Ledell Betts 5'10 222 lbs. 321 carries for 1271 yds, 52 receptions for 507 yds.


I might add these are 4 year totals for Rock as appose to only three years worth for Betts.

Betts is bigger and has been more active and as put up better numbers, Throw in Al Saunders and anyone that is surprised to see Betts line up in the backfield with Portis in 2006 really need to do more research.[/quote]

The Skins website lists Cartwright as 223#. For their careers, betts averages 4.0/carry, Cartwright 4.5.

Bets has, to the best of my knowledge, never played FB. While Saunders has said we will use Betts & Portis in the backfield together, I doubt if that will be the standard package. More common will be 1 RB- Usually Portis & 1 FB- usually Cartwright.
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cartwright wont start at FB lets be realistic. He will earn his money on teams. We need a fb who can open up holes for our stud portis. cartwright is a fan favorite but he is not the number two running back or the number one fullback. His lack of size and break away speed limit him to a backup role in both positions.
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You prefer a FB with 3 rushing yds in his career? I'll take Rock as my starter.
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a fullbacks main duty is to block./... not run
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gay4pacman wrote:a fullbacks main duty is to block./... not run


It helps if he can do both. Otherwise we would play someone like Molinaro or Woodard at FB. Short is not a bad thing for a RB or FB. Gives them a low center of gravity.
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2 things:

After his rocky first year in Washington, Portis appears comfortable in Joe Gibbs' one-back offense.


1300+ yds = rocky season. . .


Although, in TDs (5) and in history-according-to-anecdotal-evidence, Clinton didn't have quite as good a year as every other season in his short career. Still, for a team that "featured" Trung Canidate and Betts (and Rock!) the year before, Clinton was one of the bright spots in our difficult 2004 campaign. He was one of the reasons we could maintain hope in a struggling offense. Oh well. Perhaps it is too late, and 2004 will always be considered an "off" year for the back. . .at 1,300 yards. . .


Cartwright in particular deserves more playing time



Perhaps, but I tend to think that Cartwright is effective because of his limited role. The more we lean on him, the less mileage we'll get, but he works very well on those surprise draws when he is in to relieve Portis.
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