Official Sean Taylor Trial Thread

[USAFSkinFan]

they're saying the NFL can still fine/suspend him... that doesn't seem right if he plead no-contest...

[SkinsJock]

who is "they"? Justice Hog (and others) has covered this already!

time to let it go, people!

[Jake]

Taylor could miss games

[USAFSkinFan]

The article says he plead guilty, but he didn't... he was allowed to plead no contest... after he serves his probation the charge is cleared, and there is no conviction, the way I understand it...

[SkinsJock]

I still think that this "goes away"!
This is similar to what was happening when it first was "reported"... Taylor was going to jail! No doubt about it!
Then we had - "well maybe for just a short term"!!!
Then it became the DA/DJ "show"! Now we get some more probabilities.

I do not think this should just be "forgotten" - The NFL should consider all the facts and then, with proper consideration, they should just let it go... IMO, this is being hyped again!

[Redskin in Canada]

OK, anybody want to bet against me? I say that the NFL will not suspend or fine Sean Taylor. Any courageous souls out there? No money. Just bragging rights.

Keep in mind that I -never- gamble.

If he gets another set of ten community service talks, I win. Clear now?

[dredg]

ESPN just paid $1 billion for Monday night football, the first Monday night football game is in Washington, there's no way they suspend Sean for that game, won't happen.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Why would he be suspended of something he has not been proven guilty of?

[SkinsJock]

I agree with both Chris and RiC!

that is what I'm saying - the NFL should do proper diligence but in the end I do not believe that (from what we have "read") this will result in a suspension - this whole case has been about throwing as much "stuff" as we can against the proverbial wall and seeing what sticks!


I also hope that the right people get the message from all that has happened - time to move on and become the force that we all know he is.

[rick301]

Why would he be suspended of something he has not been proven guilty of?

I'll respond to what you said with this:

Redskins | Taylor could face fine or suspension
Fri, 2 Jun 2006 05:43:51 -0700

Amy Shipley, of the Washington Post, reports Washington Redskins S Sean Taylor still faces a possible suspension or fine as a result of his case that he pleaded out of. The plea agreement included the dismissal of felony assault charges and no prison time for Taylor, and seemed to represent an extremely favorable outcome in a case in which Taylor faced up to 46 years in prison as a result of his arrest last June after a street fight in a depressed part of Miami. Taylor told the judge he accepted the plea reluctantly. With the resolution of Taylor's legal case, the issue now will be taken up by the NFL. "It will be reviewed for possible discipline under the terms of the league's personal conduct policy," said Greg Aiello, the NFL's vice president of public relations. Under the policy, a player who is convicted of a crime or pleads guilty to one can be disciplined at the discretion of the commissioner. The team plans to action against Taylor. Richard Sharpstein, Taylor's lead attorney, said he discussed the plea deal with NFL general counsel Dennis Curran, who indicated that similar cases have resulted in fines and one- or two-game suspensions.

I think that the NFL/Washington needs to do something disciplinary - and I think that it will be a token fine.

My

[Irn-Bru]

The US prosecutors offer Taylor a plea bargain that guarantees no jail time and will drop the charges against him for some favors in return (money, community service). Taylor, who believes firmly that he's innocent of any charge, takes the bargain.

Now Taylor can somehow be found guilty by the NFL? If the charges are dropped, then Taylor will not have been 'guilty' of anything. What was he supposed to do--trust that justice would be done in a full trial? You never know with the courts.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Hopefully the NFL reviews each situation on an individual basis. Like Boss said earlier, we all knew that nothing was going to come of this trial. The whole situation was a joke and nothing more than a publicity stunt. Sean shouldn't have to bear anymore of this burden after trying to be taken advantage of.

If anything they should have suspended him for spitting which still pisses me off.

[1niksder]

Why would he be suspended of something he has not been proven guilty of?

I'll respond to what you said with this:

I think that the NFL/Washington needs to do something disciplinary - and I think that it will be a token fine.

My

Under the policy, a player who is convicted of a crime or pleads guilty to one can be disciplined at the discretion of the commissioner

Taylor was not convicted and did not plead guilty to any crime. He was talked into entering a NO-CONTEST plea.

The NFL should put this behind them as Taylor is trying to do

[1niksder]

I think that the NFL/Washington needs to do something disciplinary - and I think that it will be a token fine.

My

'SKINS EXPECT A FINE ONLY FOR TAYLOR
A league source tells us that the Washington Redskins anticipate that safety Sean Taylor's punishment for violating the league's Personal Conduct Policy will be a fine, not a suspension. Under the CBA, the Commissioner has the ability to impose discipline on players who engage in off-field criminal conduct.

Earlier this week, Taylor pleaded no contest to misdemeanor assault and misdemeanor battery as part of a resolution of charges that allowed him to avoid felony counts that carries a maximum of 45 years in prison.

The team, we hear, is 90 percent certain that Taylor won't be suspended.

We're also told that, even if Taylor is suspended, the Redskins won't try to recover any of the signing bonus money paid to the fifth overall pick in the 2004 draft.

Not the best source on the net but it's the only thing out there on the subject

[VRIEL1]

This is probubly a moot question...or two: Did Sean ever get his 4-wheeler/wheelers back? or are they still stolen? Amazingly enough all we heard and read was how a thug football player went over to someones house and brandished a gun. The whole reason it started kinda got scrubbed under the "Sean's going to jail" story. Did those individuals actually have something to do with his ATV's being stolen? Where the purpetrators caught and are they getting a charged and slammed all over the news?

[1niksder]

This is probubly a moot question...or two: Did Sean ever get his 4-wheeler/wheelers back? or are they still stolen? Amazingly enough all we heard and read was how a thug football player went over to someones house and brandished a gun. The whole reason it started kinda got scrubbed under the "Sean's going to jail" story. Did those individuals actually have something to do with his ATV's being stolen? Where the purpetrators caught and are they getting a charged and slammed all over the news?

Never heard if he got the ATVs back or not. The guy that he accused of stealing it was caught with a different stolen ATV but nothing came of that either

[SkinsFreak]

Justice Hog, this question is for you, our in-house legal expert. Thanks by the way. Some thoughts from others are appeciated as well.

Several things about this case are known to the local police. Additionally, these facts have been reported in the media.
1. Sean's atv's were stolen.
2. The accusers did the only shooting, leaving bullet holes in Sean's SUV. And again, at a different and subsequent location.

Why has no one been charged with these crimes? I live in the area and have not even heard of these crimes being investigated, like some forensic analysis on the bullets recovered from Sean's SUV, or interviews with the eye witnesses that stated they saw these guys steal Sean's atv's.

Your thought's?

[Justice Hog]

Justice Hog, this question is for you, our in-house legal expert. Thanks by the way. Some thoughts from others are appeciated as well.

Several things about this case are known to the local police. Additionally, these facts have been reported in the media.
1. Sean's atv's were stolen.
2. The accusers did the only shooting, leaving bullet holes in Sean's SUV. And again, at a different and subsequent location.

Why has no one been charged with these crimes? I live in the area and have not even heard of these crimes being investigated, like some forensic analysis on the bullets recovered from Sean's SUV, or interviews with the eye witnesses that stated they saw these guys steal Sean's atv's.

Your thought's?

Good questions.

The issue is "evidence". While the State may have had evidence that shots were fired, did they have evidence as to exactly "who" fired the shots? A forensic analysis of the bullets won't reveal much, except for maybe the type of firearm that shot the bullets. If a gun is seized by someone, then ATF can determine if that was the actual gun that fired the shots. Without that, the evidence may have just been too week to pursue charges against other person(s).

As for the eyewitnesses (if they exist, and if they will, in fact, come forward), you'll have to look at credibility issues they may or may not have.

Seems to me that these were all a bunch of thugs. Thugs usually hang out with thugs, who won't cooperate with the police.

[1niksder]

Justice Hog, this question is for you, our in-house legal expert. Thanks by the way. Some thoughts from others are appeciated as well.

Several things about this case are known to the local police. Additionally, these facts have been reported in the media.
1. Sean's atv's were stolen.
2. The accusers did the only shooting, leaving bullet holes in Sean's SUV. And again, at a different and subsequent location.

Why has no one been charged with these crimes? I live in the area and have not even heard of these crimes being investigated, like some forensic analysis on the bullets recovered from Sean's SUV, or interviews with the eye witnesses that stated they saw these guys steal Sean's atv's.

Your thought's?

Good questions.

The issue is "evidence". While the State may have had evidence that shots were fired, did they have evidence as to exactly "who" fired the shots? A forensic analysis of the bullets won't reveal much, except for maybe the type of firearm that shot the bullets. If a gun is seized by someone, then ATF can determine if that was the actual gun that fired the shots. Without that, the evidence may have just been too week to pursue charges against other person(s).

As for the eyewitnesses (if they exist, and if they will, in fact, come forward), you'll have to look at credibility issues they may or may not have.

Seems to me that these were all a bunch of thugs. Thugs usually hang out with thugs, who won't cooperate with the police.

Good reply JH.

Help me out with this one.

How was it that a individual that is involved in a case that stems from possible stolen ATVs was pulled over with a ATv that had the ignition jammed never saw the inside of a courtroom?

[tcwest10]

Help me out with this one.

How was it that a individual that is involved in a case that stems from possible stolen ATVs was pulled over with a ATv that had the ignition jammed never saw the inside of a courtroom?

That's easy.
Most courtrooms won't allow you to run a quad through the proceedings.
You needed a lawyer for that ?
Sorry. Bored.

[Californiaskin]

I dont give a crap if sean ever gets his ATV's back. Nor do I care if any of the bastards that stole them ever get arrested or whatever for the crime. I just hope that Sean learns from this and moves on and I I'm fricken loving the fact that he'll be smashing guys for us this year instead of spending time behind bars.

Dude is quickley becoming my favorite Skin!

[SkinsFanInHawai'i]

Rabach store his ATVs.

[tcwest10]

...'cause he wanted to be the center of attention.

[SkinsFanInHawai'i]

Took me a second but I got it.

[Fios]

Finally found this:

OK, here we go. I was waiting until the end of the season to share this but since a thread was started, I will share a few tidbits with you.

I was born and raised in Maryland however my career has brought me to South Florida, specifically Miami / Dade County. I believe that the current known facts of this case are not being offered or articulated to the public on a national basis the way they are here in Florida, or to say, in a manor that reflects the true and known facts of this case. Here are some KNOWN facts:

1. Sean Taylor did show up with friend Charles Caughman to recover his stolen ATV's and punched a guy. This is true and Sean does not dipute this.

2. More than a dozen eyewitnesses submitted signed affidavits to the State Attorney's office and all said they would testify on Sean's behalf, that he never had a gun or pulled a gun on anyone.

3. The two accusers, including 21 year old Ryan Hill, are known gang members in the area with prior arrest records.

4. Sean Taylor submitted a "passed" lie detector test. (A guilty person would not subject themselves to this, )

5. The State Attorney did try to get Sean's friend Charles Coughman to testify against Sean. Obviously Coughman declined and said he will only testify on Sean's behalf.

6. The only "shooting" took place back at Seans or his mothers place (not sure on this one) But it was definately after Sean left the scene. SEAN'S SUV has the bullet holes in it. The police recovered bullet casings at this location. Everyone seems to forget that Sean is actually the victim in this case.

7. The prosecutor, Mike Grieco, has in the past tried to prosecute several well known public figures. This has been in the news here several times over the past few years. I believe he is just trying to make a name for himself by attacking celeb's just prior to his career as a defense lawyer. This is common for some DA's.

It is logical that the accusers would say that Sean had a gun first (...well he hit me first kind of thing) They are trying to to wiggle out of this and say it was self defense. But the KNOWN facts are much to the contrary. And further, it is NOT self defense when you go to another scene, away from the original location, and start shooting. Sorry, but from my perspective, Mike Grieco has no case and he knows it.

I will never grow tired of digging this up*







*There is a point at which I will grow tired of digging this up