What to do..

BRO · Post by **BRO** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:05 pm

"Washington will have only its first-round draft pick -- No. 5 overall -- remaining if it gets Butler."

If we get Butler than we only have one pick in the draft(#5 overall). what do we do???:

-Trade down for more picks
-Keep # 5 and possibly get an all-star
-Pray that we dont get Butler
-Maybe trade a player for some draft picks (Gardner??...moving McCants to the #2 spot)

The Skins Fan · Post by **The Skins Fan** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:12 pm

Simple...Take your #5 pick and draft Winslow Jr. with it to get Pro Bowl calibur player and sign him to multi-year deal and then you use FA to fill the remaining spots to fill. Then you sign yourself a boatload non-drafted free agents and bring them to camp and let them battle and I'll betcha that they'll be several non-drafted free agents who can and will be big time contributors.

SirSmizzy · Post by **SirSmizzy** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:45 pm

Trade down....

get mulitple picks and you can still get a damn good player at 20 and in the second and 3rd rounds....you don't need to draft at 5...there is no guarantee that a top 5 pick is going to be better than the 154th....there are no guarantees in the nfl.

I think Gibbs could really do good things with a couple more picks....snyder gave him all the FA's he wanted,so you know gibbs has a plan and its already in the works...

Now let him tap the draft pool...the guy knows talent and he knows how to get talent out of "potential"...so to deny him more picks is a bad idea in my book.

He can get 1 guy at 5 or he can trade down take the 25th pick just say and add a 3rd and a 5th...im sure that he can nail down 3 quality player.

CrazyLikeAFox87 · Post by **CrazyLikeAFox87** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:03 pm

SirSmizzy wrote:Trade down....
get mulitple picks and you can still get a damn good player at 20 and in the second and 3rd rounds....you don't need to draft at 5...there is no guarantee that a top 5 pick is going to be better than the 154th....there are no guarantees in the nfl.

Of course there are no guarantees from the draft, but it's a question of the odds, and likelihood of success. You are more likely to get a stud at #5 than #154....are you saying we may as well take #154 than #5? Your comment is like saying "there is no such thing as an easy question, you either know it or you don't". It's rubbish. An easy question is "who is the President of the USA", virtually everyone knows. A hard question is "what is the population of Mexico City....and name them". Which would you take?
Taylor is going to be an impact player at #5 and will raise the level of the whole defense....I say take him even if no more draft picks.
Also, who would you have, a proven CB (Butler) or a 5th round pick? What is the likelihood of a 5th round CB making the team? Hey, we used our 5th round pick to draft Butler, a good nickel back and part-time #2 CB....that was a successful pick don't you think?

skins#1fan · Post by **skins#1fan** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:15 pm

Simple...Take your #5 pick and draft Winslow Jr. with it to get Pro Bowl calibur player and sign him to multi-year deal and then you use FA to fill the remaining spots to fill

...........I couldnt agree more "skins fan" winslow would benefit us right away and since there arent any other tight ends out that at his level and there are still some safeties and dt in the fa market we could try to get them

NJ SKINSFAN · Post by **NJ SKINSFAN** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:11 pm

I think we should keep the #5 pick and draft the best defensive player available who can make an immediate impact. Gibbs uses tight ends mostly for blocking and the offense looks pretty good. Defense wins championships :!:

SirSmizzy · Post by **SirSmizzy** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:59 pm

CrazyLikeAFox87 wrote:
SirSmizzy wrote:Trade down....
get mulitple picks and you can still get a damn good player at 20 and in the second and 3rd rounds....you don't need to draft at 5...there is no guarantee that a top 5 pick is going to be better than the 154th....there are no guarantees in the nfl.

Of course there are no guarantees from the draft, but it's a question of the odds, and likelihood of success. You are more likely to get a stud at #5 than #154....are you saying we may as well take #154 than #5? Your comment is like saying "there is no such thing as an easy question, you either know it or you don't". It's rubbish. An easy question is "who is the President of the USA", virtually everyone knows. A hard question is "what is the population of Mexico City....and name them". Which would you take?
Taylor is going to be an impact player at #5 and will raise the level of the whole defense....I say take him even if no more draft picks.
Also, who would you have, a proven CB (Butler) or a 5th round pick? What is the likelihood of a 5th round CB making the team? Hey, we used our 5th round pick to draft Butler, a good nickel back and part-time #2 CB....that was a successful pick don't you think?

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My point was trade down...you will still have a 1st round pick and you can add a late 2nd and/or 3rd.

gibbsfan · Post by **gibbsfan** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:04 pm

i,m sticking to my guns here.i,m trading down in the 1st round. i would look toward getting more picks.

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:10 pm

I say he should draft the Jakester with the Number 5 pick. Hire him as a consultant.

CrazyLikeAFox87 · Post by **CrazyLikeAFox87** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:33 am

The other issue is that we are fast running out of $. How many draft picks will we be able to sign? Obviously a #5 overall will cost more than a late 1st rounder but more than 3 picks?

tx_skins_fan · Post by **tx_skins_fan** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:50 am

I think we should trade the pick to New England for a #1 and #2. We can get a DE and a TE, and we'll be good to go. Gibbs said he likes to go with undrafted free agents too, so there's no telling what he will do.

gibbsfan · Post by **gibbsfan** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:18 pm

JPFair wrote:I say he should draft the Jakester with the Number 5 pick. Hire him as a consultant.

now thats a real good idea. great things will happen then with joe and the jake.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:20 pm

Trade down and get DT Starks and TE Watson

LetsRollBurgundyNGold · Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:09 pm

I'd like to see if they'll make a pick-up for a safety in free agency. If they do, trading down would be the move to make, Troupe and Watson would still be a available with an acquired 2nd round pick, and a potential D-Lineman with the first...If they don't make a FA move, then I'd keep the pick and take Taylor, who would seem to be a good pick for the 46 scheme that Williams would employ...

While Winslow is a great talent, he just doesn't strike me as the kind of blocker that would fit Joe's offense... He is a *&%*&$*^ soldier tho, lol.

oafusp · Post by **oafusp** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:16 pm

I think the Skins should donate the #5 pick to the Cardinals, and maybe if we do that we could get a deduction for our salary cap...

Kinda like making a donation to Goodwill, it is tax deductible.

just playin

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:38 pm

NJ SKINSFAN:

Gibbs uses tight ends mostly for blocking

Look, I really agree with your opinion that we should be grabbing the best defender availible with our pick, but this is one of those Gibbs myths that needs to be addressed.

Clint Didier was one of Gibbs favorite offensive weapons, and it had nothing to do with his blocking ability. In six years with the 'skins, Didier had 129 receptions for 1815 yards, averaging about 13.6 YPC, and scoring 19 times. In his best year (1986) he had 34 catches for 691 yds, ave 20.3 YPC and scoring 4 TD's. Hardly "just a blocker". The tight end is, of course, critical to Gibbs rushing scheme... but it is an offensive weapon on it's own, as well. That's why he had BOTH Didier AND Donnie Warren.

Gibbs would love a weapon like Winslow. The question is, would he love Winslow's attitude?

Scooter · Post by **Scooter** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:29 pm

I'd take Sean Taylor - no doubt. If he wasn't there - I'd take Winslow. Trading down isn't a bad option - but I think either of these guys is a probable SUPER STAR. Taylor is a sure tackling, 230 lbs, STUD!

There's great value in this pick. With Mike Williams now in the draft - that crowds the top of the list considerably. In a way, he really helped the Skins buy jumping in. He and Fitzy have tons of teams after them. With Eli and Big Ben being neck-and-neck at QB... we'll have a chance to trade down and get some good quality too...

Not hedging though - Sean Taylor is worth the pick at #5 and would help us IMMEDIATELY

silent1903 · Post by **silent1903** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 7:09 pm

Scooter wrote:Not hedging though - Sean Taylor is worth the pick at #5 and would help us IMMEDIATELY

Definitely worth it. Last big signing IMO. If he has gone, and with the offensive weapons available at the top of the draft I would think this unlikely, then trade down, draft a DE and maybe a S or TE from further down the draft.

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:56 pm

Guys - are we forgetting Stoupes out of Florida (no groans please)? He was tremendous down there and has the body size to be a terrific blocker. Had more rec. yards than all the WR.

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:01 pm

i agree rich. trading down, we could have a shot to score udeze, and troupe/watson. that would be a pass rusher, and a TE to depend on in the future.

silent1903 · Post by **silent1903** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 4:00 pm

SirSmizzy wrote:
CrazyLikeAFox87 wrote:
SirSmizzy wrote:Trade down....
get mulitple picks and you can still get a damn good player at 20 and in the second and 3rd rounds....you don't need to draft at 5...there is no guarantee that a top 5 pick is going to be better than the 154th....there are no guarantees in the nfl.

Of course there are no guarantees from the draft, but it's a question of the odds, and likelihood of success. You are more likely to get a stud at #5 than #154....are you saying we may as well take #154 than #5? Your comment is like saying "there is no such thing as an easy question, you either know it or you don't". It's rubbish. An easy question is "who is the President of the USA", virtually everyone knows. A hard question is "what is the population of Mexico City....and name them". Which would you take?
Taylor is going to be an impact player at #5 and will raise the level of the whole defense....I say take him even if no more draft picks.
Also, who would you have, a proven CB (Butler) or a 5th round pick? What is the likelihood of a 5th round CB making the team? Hey, we used our 5th round pick to draft Butler, a good nickel back and part-time #2 CB....that was a successful pick don't you think?
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My point was trade down...you will still have a 1st round pick and you can add a late 2nd and/or 3rd.

Perhaps you didn't understand Crazy's point by your ?????? there. Saying you don't need to draft at #5....sure, but the further you drop down the draft, the less likely you are to pick an impact player. Taylor is a STRONG likelihood of making a major impact in the NFL, and I like those odds over anyone else further down the draft.

SirSmizzy · Post by **SirSmizzy** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 4:33 pm

You guys are so caught up with the #5 thats cool...but its not guaranteed to be anybetter than pick 15..its a fact.

There are hundreds of examples of guys who are just as good in rounds 2 or 3 than the 1st round guys.

It would be smarter to get more picks...there are 26 other first round pick...trading #5 to for any of those teams would guarantee you more picks and a 1st round pick.

Nobody is saying trade out of the 1st round...you can still get a great player and additional players.

You need to get some players young and cheap...you can't keep paying guys this kind of money,it will catch up to you sometime.Plus do you have any clue how much the #5 pick is going to cost?

silent1903 · Post by **silent1903** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 4:59 pm

SirSmizzy wrote:You guys are so caught up with the #5 thats cool...but its not guaranteed to be anybetter than pick 15..its a fact.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. I agree there are never guarantees in the draft, but hundreds of scouts do most of the time know what they are talking about when analysing prospective NFL talent, and if you were able to analyse relative success of players depending on where they were picked in the draft, you would find that the higher the pick the better chance of success. To take extreme examples, say a top 5 pick is 90% certain of being a Pro Bowl player, and a bottom end of round 1 is 50%, and round 2 25%. To be better off by taking the lower 2 picks, you have a 1 in 8 chance of both succeeding. I'd rather we took the lesser risk of drafting high than what I see as the greater risk of getting nothing out of two picks.

SirSmizzy · Post by **SirSmizzy** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:22 pm

I will agree that top5 picks are different then top 10.

You do have amuch better chance at a pro-bowl player at 5..

do you honestly believe you are 1 player away from a SB?

This is the best and last chance after FA to add to your team...the possiblities are endless.With 1 pick the possibilities and limited.

They are only 2 guy2 i can see that would come in at 5 and make all the difference.

1.Taylor
2.Winslow

I think Taylor would have a much bigger imapct overall than winslow.

silent1903 · Post by **silent1903** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:41 pm

SirSmizzy wrote:I will agree that top5 picks are different then top 10.

You do have amuch better chance at a pro-bowl player at 5..

do you honestly believe you are 1 player away from a SB?

This is the best and last chance after FA to add to your team...the possiblities are endless.With 1 pick the possibilities and limited.

They are only 2 guy2 i can see that would come in at 5 and make all the difference.

1.Taylor
2.Winslow

I think Taylor would have a much bigger imapct overall than winslow.

Hey, we agree on some stuff! I'm with you on the Taylor thing, I hope we draft him. And no, I don't think we are one player from a SB, but nor do I expect a SB this season. It is a building block to one, and a team needs impact players on the roster in order to achieve that. Lets not pass up on a good shout for one.