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I need some advice from my THN friends about Nationals baseball. Here's a quick bit of background info:

* I'm 22 years old and was raised in the suburbs of D.C. Even though I live in Annapolis now (lots of Baltimore fans everywhere), I was raised to be a D.C. fan only, and that's just the way it will be in life. (Skins, Nats, Terps, Caps, Wiz, etc.)

* Obviously, I grew up without any baseball team in D.C. That (and my general interests) have led me to be an NFL fan almost exclusively. My interests probably run something like this:
1) NFL (Skins)
2) College BB (Terps)
3) NHL (Caps :()
4) College FB (Terps)
5) NBA (Wiz)
6) MLB (Nats)

So, as you can tell, I'm not a big baseball fan. But, I really want this to change now that there's a team in DC. In addition, I'm graduating in May (been in Michigan for college the past 4 years) and will be moving home, where I'll have access to the games on TV.

If I start following the Nats, I'll need some general advice on how to be a good fan. When I start watching baseball, what should I look for? What pieces of news are worth reading about, what kinds of stats should I be interested in, and what's the best way to track the progress of my team?

Obviously, the Win/Loss record is going to be the thing, but I know that baseball is a complex sport. There are numerous hot and cold streaks, pitching concerns. . .the pace of the season is much more patient and geared toward long-term strategy, which I like.

Any advice will be helpful. As of right now I know next to zero about baseball (never even played it as a kid), but I don't think there will be any terminology that I can't look up or get more info on. . .so all you baseball experts can give me your best advice.


So, for example, if someone was beginning to watch the Skins and asked a similar question about football, I'd say things like:

* When watching the game, try to guess what the offense is going to do each play based on the down and yardage. Start with pass / run, but try and discern between different types of passing plays and running plays.

* Watch the offensive line: the way that they move to block, the pulling linemen, and the one on one battles between OL and DL.

* Watch how a team's offensive strategy evolves over the season. For example, with the Redskins, watch for the adjustments that they make in order to spread the ball around more (i.e. the incorporation of WR screens, the use of Sellers and Cooley). Watch to see what runs they use, and which runs they start using more often once they figure out what works the best (i.e. running Clinton toward the outside more often in the past 2 seasons).

* Before each matchup, find out about the star players on each team, and look at the injury list for each team. Look for specific matchups such as a certain CB on a certain WR, or a MLB who is known for stopping the run. See where one team might be able to exploit the other, and then watch for it in the game.

* A good defense is harder to spot than a good offense, but it's often more rewarding to enjoy a good defensive game rather than a high scoring one. [I think this might be the same way in baseball, no?]. Try to watch for dominating performances by linebackers, linemen, and safeties.

* Watching the field position battle is a great way to estimate how well a game is going for your team. The score might be 0 to 0, but if every drive of yours starts on the 5 yardline and every drive of theirs starts at the 45, chances are they are really in control of the game. Watch how the momentum of the game shifts over time, and how this is reflected (or even caused by) changes in field position.

* Always try to catch the games between division rivals, because those will always be some of the best games for your team, given that the ramifications of winning / losing are much more intense.

et., etc. Anyway, you get the picture. And, like I said, any and all feedback would be appreciated. I'd love to get into baseball but I want to do it the right way.
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my advice is dont watch the nationals if you want to learn about baseball
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I'm not a Nationals fan (love them Indians) but that's totally wrong, Frank Robinson is a very good manager.
FFA: It's difficult to get this all into one post so over the next couple of days I will reply to this and introduce you to my favorite sport. I'm pressed for time so I will start tomorrow.
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Fios wrote:I'm not a Nationals fan (love them Indians) but that's totally wrong, Frank Robinson is a very good manager.
FFA: It's difficult to get this all into one post so over the next couple of days I will reply to this and introduce you to my favorite sport. I'm pressed for time so I will start tomorrow.



Thanks, Fios. It's a little embarassing to admit that I know almost nothing about a sport, but I want to learn. . .so like I said any and all help is appreciated. Being the nerd that I am, I've been reading about it already on the side (basic history, strategy, etc.)

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FanfromAnnapolis wrote:
Fios wrote:I'm not a Nationals fan (love them Indians) but that's totally wrong, Frank Robinson is a very good manager.
FFA: It's difficult to get this all into one post so over the next couple of days I will reply to this and introduce you to my favorite sport. I'm pressed for time so I will start tomorrow.



Thanks, Fios. It's a little embarassing to admit that I know almost nothing about a sport, but I want to learn. . .so like I said any and all help is appreciated. Being the nerd that I am, I've been reading about it already on the side (basic history, strategy, etc.)

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FFA, no need to be embarassed.

I have been trying to learn basketball and hockey and I know virtually nothing about either. Luckily I do know something about baseball (also my favorite sport)

One thing I would watch, during a game is location. It's interestign to see where the catcher "sets up" and where the ball lands in the zone. See, if a catcher is moved to the left side behind the plate (from the pitcher POV) and he has to reach to his right a ways to get a ball (to a RH batter) it's probably a giant meatball and obviously a mistake pitch.

It takes a little work, but subtle things like the batter's timing can be picked up too.

As far as stats go, you might want to pick up a copy of Moneyball (great read), they cover a lot of the new age statistical analysis (not that I agree with all of it, I think defense matters) and that could help. Or you could look for a Sabermetric primer.

Another thing to do would be to join a Nats message board, preferably a semi-private one (the one from the Nats homepage is pretty bad, as are all MLB fan forums.)

You could also check out MLB.com's "Stats 101" thing, or ESPN's similar section.

Baseball is probably the most complicated sport to follow, because there are so many subtle things going on, plus complicated rules on arbitration, waivers, etc. etc. etc.

Good luck though, baseball might be complicated, but I think it's the most rewarding, and engaging sport to follow.
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FanfromAnnapolis wrote:
Fios wrote:I'm not a Nationals fan (love them Indians) but that's totally wrong, Frank Robinson is a very good manager.
FFA: It's difficult to get this all into one post so over the next couple of days I will reply to this and introduce you to my favorite sport. I'm pressed for time so I will start tomorrow.



Thanks, Fios. It's a little embarassing to admit that I know almost nothing about a sport, but I want to learn. . .so like I said any and all help is appreciated. Being the nerd that I am, I've been reading about it already on the side (basic history, strategy, etc.)

We need an emoticon of a smiley face pushing glasses up the bridge of its nose.


Baseball is kind of a nerdy sport so welcome to my world. SF55 had some good tips though as a fledgling fan I wouldn't worry too much about the Sabermetics stuff yet. I will say things like batting average and ERA can be overblown, they aren't necessarily indicative of actual performance.
But lesson 1 will be the strike count. Because you spend so much time watching the cat and mouse game between hitter and pitcher it helps to understand the strike count.
The strike count is important becuase it changes the approach of the pitcher and hitter. An 0-2 count is in the pitcher's favor, he might throw what appears to be an awful pitch but he's really "wasting one" to see if he can get the hitter out cheaply. Good hitters won't let themselves get "behind the pithcer" (being down 0-1, 0-2 or 1-2) if they can help it.
Additionally, good hitters will "work the count" and get deep into a count (2-2 or 3-2) in an effort to 1) see as much of the pitcher's stuff as possible (i.e. how is his slider, is his fastball moving, etc.) and to tire a pitcher out. If a hitter sees 7 or more pitches in an at bat, even if he doesn't reach base, he's done his team a service. The standard rule is that after 100 pitches a pitcher starts to lose velocity and command. An at bat where a batter is fouling off several pitches (esp. if they are fouled straight back, an indication the hitter just missed a pitch) is typically a good sign for the hitter as the pitcher is having trouble getting them out. On the other hand, when a pitcher is strong, you'll know. Hitters will look awkward and make defensive or wild swings.
Keep in mind additionally that all of the decisions you see a hitter make must happen in a split second. Watch the pitch location, a good pitcher will move the ball around the strike zone and keep hitters guessing. Bad pitchers provide souveniers for fans in the outfield seats.
Hope that's not too much, I'll add more later.
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You're doing a lot better job of teaching than I did Fios.

You've got a good approach and I just blurted everything I could think of off the top of my head, lol.

Another thing I would add is that they say a pitcher throws about an average of 15 pitches an inning.

The more pitches you make him throw the better obviously because you tire them out, see their stuff, etc. Knowing the magical number of 15 might help put individual innings in context.

Pitch counts was a great place to start, watch location and command, and the radar gun in the corner to enhance your understanding of the count.

See how a pitcher "changes" speeds and location and what they are trying to d owith the hitter.

Also, believe it or not, most broadcasters will help you with this, though you ought to take what they say with a grain of salt.

Man, I love talking about baseball...

Oh yeah, and join a Nats forum, they will probably help you get really into the team. (And it's a good team, they have some nice young players, they just need a GM who isn't a retard.)

PS- I wonder if learning to score a game would help, but that might be a little advanced...
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Thanks for all of the advice, SF55 and Fios. Don't worry about typing too much. . .that is, until you resort to copy and pasting full articles or something like that. :) Whatever you take the time to write out, I promise I'll read.


As for a message board for the Nats, I'll start looking around. Is anyone on THN a part of a good message board?
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FanfromAnnapolis wrote:Thanks for all of the advice, SF55 and Fios. Don't worry about typing too much. . .that is, until you resort to copy and pasting full articles or something like that. :) Whatever you take the time to write out, I promise I'll read.


As for a message board for the Nats, I'll start looking around. Is anyone on THN a part of a good message board?


Check the Nats thread from last year. I believe Redskins1974 posted a link to a great Nats message board.
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Fios wrote:Additionally, good hitters will "work the count" and get deep into a count (2-2 or 2-3) ...

Now, I'm no baseball expert or nothing, but isn't a 2-3 a strikeout??? Is that considered "working" the count? :hmm:
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REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
Fios wrote:Additionally, good hitters will "work the count" and get deep into a count (2-2 or 2-3) ...

Now, I'm no baseball expert or nothing, but isn't a 2-3 a strikeout??? Is that considered "working" the count? :hmm:


hahaha ... good point, typing too fast, that should say 3-2
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Fios wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
Fios wrote:Additionally, good hitters will "work the count" and get deep into a count (2-2 or 2-3) ...

Now, I'm no baseball expert or nothing, but isn't a 2-3 a strikeout??? Is that considered "working" the count? :hmm:


hahaha ... good point, typing too fast, that should say 3-2


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REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
Fios wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
Fios wrote:Additionally, good hitters will "work the count" and get deep into a count (2-2 or 2-3) ...

Now, I'm no baseball expert or nothing, but isn't a 2-3 a strikeout??? Is that considered "working" the count? :hmm:


hahaha ... good point, typing too fast, that should say 3-2


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FFA: Great Nats blog: http://dcbb.blogspot.com/

I like the blogs because you get access to a (typically) knowledgeable fan base, passionate about their team. They (or at least the Indians blogs I read) do an excellent job of scouring for team news and will often bring you information before the larger media outlets and/or ESPN.
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