gay4pacman wrote:please portis is a better running back , but davis WAS good. Hes too injury prone and wouldn't go along with our young healthy FA trend as of late. We are done signing guys past their prime....i hope.
No he wasn't Stephen Davis even had more long runs than Portis, he couldn't break tackels like Davis. Davis could run with no passing game, what did Portis do when he had no passing game (3.8 yds.) per carry. Portis still had a better passing game than Davis. Mark Brunell was better than George and Banks. Coles and Gardner were better than Westborke and Connel, and the one year it Connel and Fryar. Davis wasn't injury prone with the Skins except the last game with Spurrier he got hurt, but that year everyone knew he was going to leave adn the season was over. He is now because he's old but not than. Stephan Davis could run the ball with no passing game. I am not saying he is better now, I am saying when he was a Skins. He isn't now. By the way look at the playoffs, Davis had better numbers in the playoffs than Portis. Back to my original topic it looks like he isn't going any were, so I wish him happy retirment, thanks for the memories Davis. Don't get me wrong I am happy with Portis and he is now fitting in with our system, I just don't think he was better than Davis in his prime.
IMO Davis was a better back as a Redskin than he was with the Panthers. I did not mean to seem like I was putting him down at all. I think he was a good back and he played well for us I just did not think he was as good for us or as good a team player as Portis. This is also a difficult comparison because of the style that they both have. I will say they both were deceptively quick if they saw even a small crack in the D.
I just like Portis better but it would have been special to have Davis for short yardage but I doubt he would pass the physical.
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andyjens89 wrote:did he not score 12 tds last year?
Yes he did! Other players did the work to get to the goal line, and then they gave it to Davis to fall forward 3 ft.
Well just out of curiosity... if it's so easy to fall that three feet... why do the Redskins have such trouble running the ball on the goalline?
I honestly can't believe that some of you can question SD's ability as a running back... truly amazing. You all seem to think that a guy has to play 16 games a year for his entire career for it to have any nvalidity. This is FOOTBALL... he's a running back... he gets hit on nearly every play... honestly... it's painffully apparent that some of you have NEVER stepped on the football field yourselves.
And comparisons to Bo jackson and Jerome Bettis? Must be a youth thing.., I'm a diehard Redskin fan so I have a Redskin comparison for you... it'd be like bringing in Gerald Riggs to cap off an Earnest Byner drive... that's what it would be like. Anyone remember that? In 1991, Riggs had just 250 yards but 11 touchdowns... he managed to fall that 3 feet into the end zone repeatedly on his way to the Super Bowl and a ring.
Davis might not be an every down back anymore, but I have trouble believing that he couldn't be that Riggs-type role player in this offense.
I'd love to see it... the guy was a true blue burgundy and gold bleeder and it'd be great to see him come back here and ultimately retire a Redskin... whether or not he could contribute meaningful playing time is almost inconsequential to what he'd undoubtedly bring to the team in leadership... and likely for a very reasonable price tag.
Personally... I'd ink that deal as long as Bubba Tyer gave him a nod of approval.
Calm down!! I never said SD was not a good back. What I said was the other players did most of the work to get him to the goal line last year. There is no question that he has lost a step, but who hasn't at that age? Especially for a straight ahead back.
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sch1977 wrote: Calm down!! I never said SD was not a good back. What I said was the other players did most of the work to get him to the goal line last year. There is no question that he has lost a step, but who hasn't at that age? Especially for a straight ahead back.
Calm down? Who's excited?
This is a message board... there will be opposing viewpoints... and as long as we all express them within the confine of the rules... there shouldn't be a problem.
So... if 'falling three feet' is so easy... why was it so difficult for the REDSKINS last year?
I mean you seem to imply that running on the goal line is easy when in actuality, it is by FAR the hardest place on the field to run... you see it as someone falling three feet, I see it as someone having the intestinal fortitude to put that ball in the end zone come hell or high water.
Whether it's Davis or any other back coming in for a goalline situation... they're facing a goalline defense that's going to stack the box... often with even bigger bodies inside, and with the SOLE purpose of making running the ball difficult.
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sch1977 wrote: Calm down!! I never said SD was not a good back. What I said was the other players did most of the work to get him to the goal line last year. There is no question that he has lost a step, but who hasn't at that age? Especially for a straight ahead back.
Calm down? Who's excited?
This is a message board... there will be opposing viewpoints... and as long as we all express them within the confine of the rules... there shouldn't be a problem.
So... if 'falling three feet' is so easy... why was it so difficult for the REDSKINS last year?
I mean you seem to imply that running on the goal line is easy when in actuality, it is by FAR the hardest place on the field to run... you see it as someone falling three feet, I see it as someone having the intestinal fortitude to put that ball in the end zone come hell or high water.
Whether it's Davis or any other back coming in for a goalline situation... they're facing a goalline defense that's going to stack the box... often with even bigger bodies inside, and with the SOLE purpose of making running the ball difficult.
That would be a question to ask the Offensive Line and the RB who is attempting the run at the time.
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That would be a question to ask the Offensive Line and the RB who is attempting the run at the time.
Well if we use that logic, then I guess there's never any point in discussing anything about the Redskins unless we're doing so with the actual Redskins that we are talking about.
Use whatever empty ended logic you like, but I personally think the reason the Redskins had trouble running the ball in on goal line situations is no mystery... EVERY TEAM DOES... IT'S THE HARDEST PLACE ON THE FIELD TO RUN THE BALL.
If it makes you feel better to confirm that with a lineman then go ahead. If you want to ask Clinton Portis or any other RB for that matter, go ahead. I'd bet most would confirm it.
Obviously you need an o-line that is going to be equal to the task as well. And in no way is this meant to be a slight on Portis... I'm just saying that backs who can 'just fall 3 feet' into the endzone 12 times a year are a valuable commodity in my opinion. To me it shows that a guy ISN'T washed up regardless of whether or not he can carry the ball 300 times a year. He still has the snap to pump it in when it counts the most and when it's hardest.
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I think our issue at goaline could partially be due to a few factors.
1. A lack of tall WR's. Defenses may feel that our WR's our less of a threat in the endzone because the jump ball aside from ey isn't really an option. I guess they can cheat up even more than they would if a TO, or R. Moss is back there. We have fixed that problem.
2. Moreso in the 2004 season our offense was very predictable.
3. Clinton isn't that heavy and often got driven back or could not push the pile foward. A guy like Bettis can even make due when a hole isn't that big, his sheer weight can often be the difference.
I doubt that we'll get S. Davis but I wonder if we'll see Sellers run the ball in some goaline situations. If we can that Johnson to block for him then I can't imagine how we couldn't plug it in. Didn't Gibbs have something called a JUMBO offense?
TincoSkin wrote:i dont think they are the same thing. if he does little things in a huge pile to minimize injurys thats not avoiding contact. if he'll only run plays where he gets to run out of bounds or he goes down instead of hitting the guy and getting an extra yard, that is avoiding contact.
portis is very physical and loves the gut and power stuff. i wont accept the idea that he avoids contact!! never!!! ill go to my grave knowing that hes a bad ass.
how do the two compare in size? a rbs style can be based on their size. i think davis was heavier right?
Ugghhh...you're missing my point completely. ITS NOT ABOUT PORTIS.
I DONT CARE!!! IM NOT GONNA LISTEN AT ALL!!! YOU CAN TAKE YOUR "IDEAS" OR "FACTS" OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE AND GO SIT IN YOUR TOWER AND NAP!!!!
youre right, im slow. but ill never back down about portis, even if were talking about somthing else!!
...and THAT, my friends, is conflict resolution on crack.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I think our issue at goaline could partially be due to a few factors.
1. A lack of tall WR's. Defenses may feel that our WR's our less of a threat in the endzone because the jump ball aside from ey isn't really an option. I guess they can cheat up even more than they would if a TO, or R. Moss is back there. We have fixed that problem.
2. Moreso in the 2004 season our offense was very predictable.
3. Clinton isn't that heavy and often got driven back or could not push the pile foward. A guy like Bettis can even make due when a hole isn't that big, his sheer weight can often be the difference.
I doubt that we'll get S. Davis but I wonder if we'll see Sellers run the ball in some goaline situations. If we can that Johnson to block for him then I can't imagine how we couldn't plug it in. Didn't Gibbs have something called a JUMBO offense?
Well, we dramatically improved in the Redzone this year with pretty similar personnel...but this year we had Moss and ? instead of Gardner and Coles. I think in our case the improvement had less to do with points 1 and 3 and much more to do with point number 2, i.e. our playcalling. In the past several years we had poor redzone efficiency largely because we were so predictable. Run, Run, Play Action, FG!
This last year we started to get creative...passing to FB's passing on first and second down, misdirection plays, running from passing formations, etc. All of those things helped to not only get the ball into the endzone but too make D-coordinators have to start guessing as to what we might do. No longer could they simply put 9 guys in the box and cover on third down...
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Im not saying they are wrong, not at all. My comment about CP is moreso one of in contrast to a brusing back Clinton avoids contact. Im not saying the cat slides on every play, not at all. I agree that he's definately a lot more aggressive than he was in Denver. Im not complaing about him either, I want him to save himself for later in the season but I think he tends to run out of bounds were bigger backs will keep hitting folk.
Now granted they were mostly reffering to his blocking being tough. However I do feel that he runs tough, I was just being smart.
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I never said SD was not a good back. What I said was the other players did most of the work to get him to the goal line last year. There is no question that he has lost a step, but who hasn't at that age? Especially for a straight ahead back.
ey isn't really an option. I guess they can cheat up even more than they would if a TO, or R. Moss is back there. We have fixed that problem.
However I do feel that he runs tough, I was just being smart. 