Stephen Davis

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:49 pm

Does anyone know what happened to him. I know he was cut by Carolina, but is he gonna somewere else. I hope he does, he is one of my favorite players, actually my favorite because any of these Redskins right now left I wouldn't care about them anymore. I would have loved to see him in his prime in Joe Gibbs offense, can u imagine how good he would be.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:18 pm

I loved Stephen Davis... and I don't think he could have been ANY better than the absolute super stud he was even with Gibbs as coach...

You know how Portis wanted James on the team to be a dangerous backfield?

How about Stephen Davis and Portis together messing people up? Portis as the Marcus Allen and Davis as the Bo Jackson guy... that would make this offense even better...

Still, with a 3 WR set, it probably wouldn't work... meh

skinsRin · Post by **skinsRin** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:23 pm

He could be our Allstot or Bettis.

ToxicSkin · Post by **ToxicSkin** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:38 am

It'd be nice since some of our backup running backs are now listed as FB on the roster now but it won't happen

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:49 am

Davis was a good RB for us but not a very good RB in the NFL. He was not a part of any great teams and good players make good teams (and themselves) look even better. Part of that success or lack thereof is on him as he played a key position. He was injured a lot and a not a great team guy like Portis is. Basically, just a good Redskins football player.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:32 am

He was not a part of any great teams

How about the Carolina team that nearly won the Superbowl?

gibbsfan · Post by **gibbsfan** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:57 am

FanfromAnnapolis wrote:
He was not a part of any great teams

How about the Carolina team that nearly won the Superbowl?

yeah that was a pretty good team that year wasn,t it that lost to new england.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:25 pm

SkinsJock wrote:Davis was a good RB for us but not a very good RB in the NFL. He was not a part of any great teams and good players make good teams (and themselves) look even better. Part of that success or lack thereof is on him as he played a key position. He was injured a lot and a not a great team guy like Portis is. Basically, just a good Redskins football player.

Yeah Stephen Davis only won our divison and than had Jeff George, Tony Banks, than Spurrier. Thats the most ridicoulous thing I have heard. If he wasn't a good team guy than why the hell was the o-line pissed when they weren't blocking for Davis anymore. Portis is a good player but he wasn't as good as Stephen Davis. Portis couldn't run against 8 man box's Davis could.

gay4pacman · Post by **gay4pacman** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:54 pm

please portis is a better running back , but davis WAS good. Hes too injury prone and wouldn't go along with our young healthy FA trend as of late. We are done signing guys past their prime....i hope.

andyjens89 · Post by **andyjens89** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:02 pm

did he not score 12 tds last year?

gay4pacman · Post by **gay4pacman** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:23 pm

how many in the playoffs?

redskingush · Post by **redskingush** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:32 pm

Neither here or there, but I just picked him up in Madden 2006 in my 4th season to spell Portis from time to time.

sch1977 · Post by **sch1977** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:27 am

andyjens89 wrote:did he not score 12 tds last year?

Yes he did! Other players did the work to get to the goal line, and then they gave it to Davis to fall forward 3 ft.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:28 pm

sch1977 wrote:
andyjens89 wrote:did he not score 12 tds last year?

Yes he did! Other players did the work to get to the goal line, and then they gave it to Davis to fall forward 3 ft.

Well just out of curiosity... if it's so easy to fall that three feet... why do the Redskins have such trouble running the ball on the goalline?

I honestly can't believe that some of you can question SD's ability as a running back... truly amazing. You all seem to think that a guy has to play 16 games a year for his entire career for it to have any nvalidity. This is FOOTBALL... he's a running back... he gets hit on nearly every play... honestly... it's painffully apparent that some of you have NEVER stepped on the football field yourselves.

And comparisons to Bo jackson and Jerome Bettis? Must be a youth thing.., I'm a diehard Redskin fan so I have a Redskin comparison for you... it'd be like bringing in Gerald Riggs to cap off an Earnest Byner drive... that's what it would be like. Anyone remember that? In 1991, Riggs had just 250 yards but 11 touchdowns... he managed to fall that 3 feet into the end zone repeatedly on his way to the Super Bowl and a ring.

Davis might not be an every down back anymore, but I have trouble believing that he couldn't be that Riggs-type role player in this offense.

I'd love to see it... the guy was a true blue burgundy and gold bleeder and it'd be great to see him come back here and ultimately retire a Redskin... whether or not he could contribute meaningful playing time is almost inconsequential to what he'd undoubtedly bring to the team in leadership... and likely for a very reasonable price tag.

Personally... I'd ink that deal as long as Bubba Tyer gave him a nod of approval.

My 2 cents

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:48 pm

SkinsJock wrote:Davis was a good RB for us but not a very good RB in the NFL.

He was good but not very good? LMAO. Ok.

SkinsJock wrote:He was not a part of any great teams and good players make good teams (and themselves) look even better. Part of that success or lack thereof is on him as he played a key position.

I could have sworn that his TEAM went to the SB. I vaguely remeber the Panthers being a contender for the past few seasons also.

SkinsJock wrote:He was injured a lot and a not a great team guy like Portis is. Basically, just a good Redskins football player.

How long have you been a Skins fan? How was he not a team guy, give us examples are just be quiet about this because you obviously dont know what you're speaking of.
In one sentence you say he's good but then you say he wasn't a team guy. I dont know what games you watch but Clinton AVOIDS contact. Clinton is in a brusing system that has been midly catered to his lack of brusing ability. If Gibbs had left his system 100% intact and Portis never avoided contact he'd be a lot more injured than he has been. Clintons 1st year was more injury prone than this year and plus he had that mild fumble problem.

Put the burgundy kool-aid down.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:14 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote: I dont know what games you watch but Clinton AVOIDS contact. Clinton is in a brusing system that has been midly catered to his lack of brusing ability. If Gibbs had left his system 100% intact and Portis never avoided contact he'd be a lot more injured than he has been.

You had me agreeing with you until the CP part...Clinton avoids contact?

I obviously watch different games too then. And I guess Joe Gibbs is lying when he REPEATEDLY says that Clinton is a tough, physical player. And isn't there any contact in blocking? Personally I thought CP proved categorically last year that he could not only run the ball but do ANYTHING that was asked of him at RB. But don't take my word for it... here's what a few experts say:

Gibbs himself said:

"And it's phenomenal to watch him play like that and he plays so hard. He's a physical guy, and most of the time he comes across to you personality-wise as always joking about this or that, or saying he wants to get out of practice today or whatever, but his mentality once the game starts, he's an aggressive sucker, and he goes hard."

During his Hall of Fame career, Gibbs said he has seen few top running backs who are as willing as Portis to share the ball, block and do other things.

Gibbs also said:
"What happens when you have a back that plays that hard when he's blocking, I think our entire team takes off on that. The quarterback loves it because he knows he's going to get protection. Our linemen say if that guys that tough and he's going to block like that, we're going to block for him in the running game. The receivers, the same thing. I think it's a big deal--how tough he is."

Or how about Joe Bugel...

"He's a mean dude. He'll attack you. You don't have to worry about him holding the flank and blocking for our receivers. I'll tell you what, he's the best without the football we've had. When he doesn't have the ball, he's a raving maniac, and you don't see that too much in the NFL."

How about Don Breaux:

"I've never been around a tougher person as a running back, and he does things no other backs in this league do. He's an excellent blocker, and he doesn't try to size up who he's going to hit, believe me. He doesn't just pick on DBs [defensive backs], he goes after anybody."

But what do they know, right? I mean they HAVE to say that right? Those three guys are always speaking in superlatives for the sake of making a point... the nerve... :wink:

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:20 pm

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:38 pm

Im not saying they are wrong, not at all. My comment about CP is moreso one of in contrast to a brusing back Clinton avoids contact. Im not saying the cat slides on every play, not at all. I agree that he's definately a lot more aggressive than he was in Denver. Im not complaing about him either, I want him to save himself for later in the season but I think he tends to run out of bounds were bigger backs will keep hitting folk.

Now granted they were mostly reffering to his blocking being tough. :wink:

However I do feel that he runs tough, I was just being smart. :lol:

TincoSkin · Post by **TincoSkin** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:51 pm

there is a difference between avoiding contact and being smart about his body. i know the two dont compare but some wide outs wont go over the middle and it creates a weakness in their game. clinton loves running up the gut. he'll never shy away from contact but he will be smart about getting his body into a position that allows for better contact. if hes going down he'll get small and protect himself. that is a smart thing to do not a p*ssy thing to do.
running backs not only have to get yards but they have to survive them

TincoSkin · Post by **TincoSkin** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:54 pm

BossHog wrote:

Or how about Joe Bugel...

"He's a mean dude. He'll attack you. You don't have to worry about him holding the flank and blocking for our receivers. I'll tell you what, he's the best without the football we've had. When he doesn't have the ball, he's a raving maniac, and you don't see that too much in the NFL."

best quote ever :twisted:

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:11 pm

TincoSkin wrote:there is a difference between avoiding contact and being smart about his body. i know the two dont compare but some wide outs wont go over the middle and it creates a weakness in their game. clinton loves running up the gut. he'll never shy away from contact but he will be smart about getting his body into a position that allows for better contact. if hes going down he'll get small and protect himself. that is a smart thing to do not a p*ssy thing to do.
running backs not only have to get yards but they have to survive them

I mever knocked him for it but call it what you want. Saving your body, avoiding contact regardless of the reasoning are the same thing. My point was simply this.

The cat said Davis got hurt a lot and then he praised Portis who doesn't run with an as agressive style as Davis from what I can remeber. If Portis ran with Davis's style its my opinion that he'd be hurt a lot more.

TincoSkin · Post by **TincoSkin** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:17 pm

i dont think they are the same thing. if he does little things in a huge pile to minimize injurys thats not avoiding contact. if he'll only run plays where he gets to run out of bounds or he goes down instead of hitting the guy and getting an extra yard, that is avoiding contact.

portis is very physical and loves the gut and power stuff. i wont accept the idea that he avoids contact!! never!!! ill go to my grave knowing that hes a bad ass.

how do the two compare in size? a rbs style can be based on their size. i think davis was heavier right?

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:25 pm

TincoSkin wrote:i dont think they are the same thing. if he does little things in a huge pile to minimize injurys thats not avoiding contact. if he'll only run plays where he gets to run out of bounds or he goes down instead of hitting the guy and getting an extra yard, that is avoiding contact.

portis is very physical and loves the gut and power stuff. i wont accept the idea that he avoids contact!! never!!! ill go to my grave knowing that hes a bad ass.

how do the two compare in size? a rbs style can be based on their size. i think davis was heavier right?

Ugghhh...you're missing my point completely. ITS NOT ABOUT PORTIS.

TincoSkin · Post by **TincoSkin** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:58 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
TincoSkin wrote:i dont think they are the same thing. if he does little things in a huge pile to minimize injurys thats not avoiding contact. if he'll only run plays where he gets to run out of bounds or he goes down instead of hitting the guy and getting an extra yard, that is avoiding contact.

portis is very physical and loves the gut and power stuff. i wont accept the idea that he avoids contact!! never!!! ill go to my grave knowing that hes a bad ass.

how do the two compare in size? a rbs style can be based on their size. i think davis was heavier right?

Ugghhh...you're missing my point completely. ITS NOT ABOUT PORTIS.

I DONT CARE!!! IM NOT GONNA LISTEN AT ALL!!! YOU CAN TAKE YOUR "IDEAS" OR "FACTS" OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE AND GO SIT IN YOUR TOWER AND NAP!!!!

youre right, im slow. but ill never back down about portis, even if were talking about somthing else!!

:-#

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:28 pm

TincoSkin wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
TincoSkin wrote:i dont think they are the same thing. if he does little things in a huge pile to minimize injurys thats not avoiding contact. if he'll only run plays where he gets to run out of bounds or he goes down instead of hitting the guy and getting an extra yard, that is avoiding contact.

portis is very physical and loves the gut and power stuff. i wont accept the idea that he avoids contact!! never!!! ill go to my grave knowing that hes a bad ass.

how do the two compare in size? a rbs style can be based on their size. i think davis was heavier right?

Ugghhh...you're missing my point completely. ITS NOT ABOUT PORTIS.

I DONT CARE!!! IM NOT GONNA LISTEN AT ALL!!! YOU CAN TAKE YOUR "IDEAS" OR "FACTS" OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE AND GO SIT IN YOUR TOWER AND NAP!!!!

youre right, im slow. but ill never back down about portis, even if were talking about somthing else!!

...and THAT, my friends, is conflict resolution on crack. :lol: