Ramsey to Jets

[SirSmizzy]

You always seem to be green with envy. (No Jets pun intended). My goodness, with all the poential in the world to be a BIG MONEY MARKER and HIGH REVENUE generating franchise, you guys are nothing but a mediocre and poor team in a town that is too big for you. If it had not been for an early and lonely success with Joe Namath, the Jets franchise would have disappeared from the face of the earth loooong time ago.

Agreed. My wife is a NY native. With three teams to choose to root for she chose the Giants. She and many other NY'ers forget there are 2 other teams to choose from. I wonder why.

Smizzy I understand you're looking at it like you stole Ramsey away and now that he's there you want to pump him up. But you were down on him earlier and we shouldn't disregard earlier statements just because he's a Jet now. Look at it from our end. Yes I agree we coulda got more out of the deal than a 6th (and still wish we would've). We probably waited a tad too long to pull the deal by waiting for better offers from other teams. And with so many high profile QB's on the market we got slightly singed by it. But what we did get out of the deal is $1.7m in cap room in order to sign more FA players or pretty much help us sign our draft picks this year. Plus we picked up a 6th rounder from you. You got insurance for Chad, gave up a 6th rounder and have to assume $1.7m cap figure. The last is not hard to do if you're the Redskins, but if you're the Jets and you don't spend much to begin with its slightly harder to do. Plus Ramsey is going to walk after this year without a deal. You'll then have to be in the position to pony-up a ton of dough to keep him. Not sure the Jets FO wants to do that. So, next year you'll be looking for another QB to help you after Ramsey doesn't work out. I'm not really seeing how you guys got a massively better part of the deal here. It might be slightly better than ours but still I wouldn't spike yourself like you seem to be doing.

Ramsey is a class act and has a strong arm. I like the kid. I just don't think he'll do well in NY. Especially not with the Jets. Of course, I'll be pleasantly surprised if he does and I do wish the kid well. But he's dead to me now.

Why I have to defend myself and the jets everytime I come here is beyond pathetic. The Jets don't spend money? They were 26 M over the cap. do you guys knwo anything besides the bull crap Bosshogg feeds you? Who really cares what they jets spend? you are the ones who are crying over sour grapes. Everybody under the sun knows Ramsey never got a chance here. 3 days ago you would have all admitted it but not now he got traded for nothing.

This is comical.

[crazyhorse1]

Gibbs got his head handed to him on this one, but can't say he doesn't deserve it. If Brunell goes down and Campbell looks as mediocre as he looked at Auburn, it's good bye myth. He's already blown a season and a playoff on misplaced faith in an injured QB. Three in a row and he'll really look bad. Here's my prediction: we'll wind up with the worse starting QB in the NFL: that old guy Saunders brought over.

Hey... I hear the Jets are desperate for some new fans... Heck even YOU may qualify. They don't require that you know anything about football.

It's pathetic you have to resort to bashing Jets fans because we gave you next to nothing for Ramsey.

The Atlanta deal is a joke. It's not going to happen. This isn't the same old jets front office. There is a new sherrif in town .

Thanks for Ramsey . Anytime you can grab a young former 1st rd pick who never got a fair shake for a bag of footballs...you jump on it. The skins should have taken the deal last week before you signed Todd Collins. IMHO...that gave us the leverage. Sure ...he would probably have been cut anyway...but we would have got into a bidding war with many other teams for him. Ramsey for a 6th rd pick is highway robbery.

Well Danny likes giving to charities, its a nice tax deduction. Let me clue you in on something: Ramsey is NOT that good. He got a fair shake, he just couldn't hack it. Good luck with that QB carousel.

The stats say he hacked it just fine. The facts say he got anything but a fair shake. Sorry to disagree with you again; we can't go any further with Brunell. If Campbell doesn't work out, Gibbs will look like a three-time loser on Brunell by the playoffs.
Just to point out how wrong the prevailing wisdom is: PR in roughly 24 games has over 5,600 yds and 34 TDs. Those are pro-bowl numbers, especially since he played on a horrible team. In comparison, Brunell has equaled those numbers only once in a 12 year career.
Considering the above, it doesn't matter much to me how pretty Ramsey's feet are. Did you ever see Unitas play? I also don't care that he would make coaches look bad by insisting his players were in their correct positions before calling for the ball. Really ticked some of them off, I hear.

[SirSmizzy]

I'm not trying to discredit you... I don't need to... anyone paying attention knows that you're going to butter both sides of the bread at some point.

Obviously you didn't read my post very carefully, or some of the others in the thread... we get it... Patrick for a 6th rounder is a slag deal in your opinion... and it is on the surface I guess... if you ignore the fact that it's a rental unless you pony up some cssh next year, he was going to sit on our bench... and the most important part... WE WANTED THE CAP MONEY. Joe Gibbs also respects Patrick very much and promised him that if he wanted a shot somewhere else that he'd grant him his wish.

you mean like every NY jet you singed the last 3 yrs? Pony up the cash like that you mean?

I don't need a history lesson on the Skins either... I've been here for the entire time he has... I know what he has endured... I also know that coming in last year... there was nothing to stop him from being successful... nothing... and he was terrible. He stunk in training camp, he stunk in the preseason... replacing him when he got hurt wasn't that tough a decision... because he wasn't showing much to begin with. He had a year to learn the new system... he was getting better blocking... we were trying to establish the running game ANYWAY... and he still couldn't find a comfort zone. That's an observation... not a condemnation.

As I said... really like the kid, hope he does well in a new environment... and wish him nothing but the best.

You missed other points too - why'd I say that you made the point about 'how do the skins do it?' Because you did and though you still seem to be missing this point... the Redskins made a move like the Ramsey deal because draft pick aside... it's the CAP SPACE they want... so they can go after free agents that they DO think will help the team. So they can get that young talent you were talking about, instead of spending money on a guy who's going to sit on the bench all year and be looking for a pretty big contract next year regardless.

You resort to saying that Ramsey was in the doghouse for 'wanting out' because you still can't accept that it just wasn't true... and even if it was... why on earth would Gibbs even name Ramsey the starter going into last season if he didn't like the kid. That may be a Jets' fans' take on it and you're entitled to it, but I don't think there's anything to suggest that it's even remotely true. It certainly didn't present that way day in and day out... DESPITE the media's attempts to turn patrick into a pariah, he actually just went bout his business in a very professional manner.

As for the Madden comment... wouldn't know... don't play the game... don't even own a game console... so if you're insinuating that my football knowledge is based on a football game, then that would make your point as self-serving and factless as most of your points. The point isn't strictly that he is slow... it's that HE HIMSELF seems to know it and it makes him panic in the pocket a fair bit... he shifts his feet constantly and never sets before firing... it often results in errant throws... maybe you'll see it in NY... maybe not... maybe this is the situation that finally works for the kid... like i said... I for one hope so and will be pulling for him.

But if he can't get it done in NY either, he's just another nice kid with a big arm that couldn't adjust to the speed of the NFL game.

As for scorned... I can only presume that perhaps you've mistaken the word for some other word... or you're just grossly exaggerating even your own jaded view of things.

I'm happy with the move... we needed the cap... Patrick's going to get another chance somewhere else... and you're flying off the handle in the offseason as usual... all is right with the world. Would I have liked to have got more? Sure... doesn't everyone always want more? But while your solution was to deal Ramsey before we got Collins... we acted on Collins because we WANTED him, and in the modern free agency era... you act fast or get left in the cold. You seem to think that this Ramsey thing was new news but they were trying to deal him for ages before... and arduously because before the new CBA, his cap space was needed even more.

We didn't find any suitors... so we got Collins when FA opened because we didn't want to lose him as he's a great third QB to help Brunell and Campbell learn Saunders' system.

True.. we could have held out... maybe got a 4th or a 5th for him instead of a 6th... but we might not have got Collins and we wouldn't have just freed up more space to sign draft picks or another free agent... and if we wait HOPING the stakes go up a round or two... and then draft day comes... it's likely that ALL teams will have looked after their QB needs and we'd get even less.

I really don't understand what about my post makes me unable, unworthy or unbecoming a webmaster, but I don't really care either. If you don't like the webmaster or the way the site is run... change the channel

This entire thing is just so long,pathetic and out of the realm of reality that Im just gonna leave you with your own nonsense.

Since when does a QB need to be fast? You needed the cap room? WHY is that?

Im not bitter or mad...all i said was he was in the doghouse. What so bad about that? nothing...you just think you have the edge eveytime you open your mouth. When thats about as false as it gets.

EVERYBODY knows he was in gibbs doghouse.Go to any other skins site and they agree...not you. Your opinion is junk. Anybody with half a brain should laugh at your patehtic attmepts to cause trouble with me and to mock the jets to make the skins look competent. you so worried about the jets and what they spend. How many playoff games you been in this decade? And the jets who under spend you? Exactly.

Whats the matter Bosshogg? nothing to do in good ol Canada but pick on me?

Go bark up another tree ,This one ain't playing your games .

YOU the one who comes looking for me when I post. go look at any thread that we have both posted in and you will see who is looking for trouble.

[SirSmizzy]

The stats say he hacked it just fine. The facts say he got anything but a fair shake. Sorry to disagree with you again; we can't go any further with Brunell. If Campbell doesn't work out, Gibbs will look like a three-time lose on Brunell by the playoffs.
Just to point out how wrong the prevailing wisdom is: PR in roughtly 24 games has over 5,600 yds and 34 TDs. Those are pro-bowl numbers, especially since he played on a horrible team. In comparison, Brunell has equaled those numbers only once in a 12 year career.
Considering the above, it doesn't matter much to me how pretty Ramsey's feet are. Did you ever see Unitas play? I also don't care that he would make coaches look bad by insisting his players were in their correct positions before calling for the ball. Really ticked some of them off, I hear.

and thats how the rest of the rational fans see it. those who aren't scorned like BH is that is. Sad when a skins fan owns you like that huh? or is he a jets fan because he doesn't agree wiht you?

[Redskin in Canada]

What's the problem?

Sour grapes. very sour grapes.

[Steve Spurrier III]

Ramsey attempted 861 passes with the Redskins. Could he have gotten more chances? Of course, but this isn't exactly a Brett Favre/Atlanta situation.

[SirSmizzy]

What's the problem?

Sour grapes. very sour grapes.

How would I ahve sour grapes. was that 6th rd pick worth something?

[thaiphoon]

The Jets don't spend money?They were 26 M over the cap

And look where that got you ... *caveat* I should've said they don't spend money where and how they should. You let your OL walk away and sign Ramsey and are suddenly crowing about a trade (that benefits both teams just about equally)? Again, I'm not seeing where we got fleeced here. The way you make it out this is the second coming of the Herschel Walker trade. Again - I'm not bashing the Jets. I'm just not seeing the connection to us trading Ramsey to the Jets for a 6th as a hugely stupid deal. I'd have like to get more but as Boss said - who wouldn't. as 1niksder said - we got a 6th from you guys, got $500,000 in cap room and now have our 3rd QB. You guys are going to have a kid who can throw the ball long but with no touch and happy feet (and with L.Coles, throwing long isn't goign to happen). A kid who is a very classy guy and teammate but is in the last year of his contract and will be a FA next year unless you pony up money for him. And right now I can't see any team doing that. You guys would've been better off taking one of the QB's in the draft but now with Chad and Ramsey there I can't see you doing that. So you'll go another season without a franchise QB. We've done it plenty of times here in Washington to be sure. But the thing we had that allowed our journeyman QB's to win us SuperBowls was an O-line. You've let yours walk, pretty much.

you are the ones who are crying over sour grapes.

Ridiculous... I wish we would've handled the benching better but Ramsey wouldn't have gotten us to the playoffs had he been the starter all year. He was our backup QB and did well as one. That is all.

Everybody under the sun knows Ramsey never got a chance here.

Ramsey had every opportunity to play and win that any other QB we had during his tenure here. I was pissed at first about Gibbs' quick hook in Game 1 but in hindsight I see it was the correct one.

3 days ago you would have all admitted it but not now he got traded for nothing.

And there is again where you're wrong. He got traded for a 6th and cap room. We both got an somewhat equal end of the deal.

You're whining about us getting mad b/c you said it was a "great deal". Its not what you say its how you said it. Again, you seemed to make it out to be the second coming of the Herschel Walker trade. We quite rightly are pointing out to you that it was a decent deal for both teams and for you to not get too excited about Ramsey considering since he's been here he hasn't lit the sky on fire even when his competition was a bunch of ex-U.of Florida QB's. We are also quite rightly pointing out that for a team that was massively over the cap as we were you're surprisingly not doing any spending this offseason, while we are. Not bashing the Jets here, just making an observation.

So my advice for you is to ...stop... take a deep breath... thank the football gods you got a backup QB with experience for next year for a 6th rounder and have fun. Next year when he is a FA and leaving town we'll talk about your experience with Patrick and we'll all compare notes.

[EA7649]

i really dont like Ramsey but hope he does well in NY














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[thaiphoon]

Crazyhorse1 - I like Ramsey too and wish he would've done better here. But we disagree. Stats don't tell everything about a QB. Additionally, his first year he had Danny Wuerffel and Shane Matthews to beat out. Listen, my 12 year old nephew could've probably beat those guys out of a starting job. He didn't get in the game until the end of the year. In 2003 he earned my admiration for taking the hits, but he held onto the ball too long many times ( a trait still with him today) and this resulted in missed opportunities and mroe sacks. In 2004, Brunell was brought in. Ramsey started toward the end of the year and did decently well but also maddingly as well (remember the Giants game at NY that year?? - awful!!). 2005 - one reason we didn't get Jason Camobell much playing time in the preseason was that Ramsey was stinking and Brunell was outplaying him and so Gibbs had to play Ramsey and Brunell more in the preseason games just to figure out who was going to be his danged starting QB on Opening Day !! As such we didn't get to use Campbell until basically the last preseason game. The guy ...didn't beat out 2 ex Florida QB's. Hardly progressed any in his second season. Got marginally better as a QB in his 3rd. And by his 4th, had such a shaky preseason that the head coach had to play more of his starting QB just to make sure he had the offense down and was going to pan out. Lets face it, if I told you that about this unnamed QB, one might say that trading him for a 6th rounder and cap room to free us up to sign more players that will help our team was a decent move. And I'd agree.

[Redskin in Canada]

Just to point out how wrong the prevailing wisdom is: ...

If your argument holds any water, Patrick will be headed to the HOF not because of what he did with us but for what he will do in NY. As such, we are talking about a prediction at best and speculation at worst.

BUT if Patrick does not go anywhere there and the Skins do well with Brunell/Campbell this season, your argument is lost.

It is very difficult to argue when the proof will stand before us almost a year away. I am a Patrick's fan. I wish him well. But I could not guarantee a success for him with us or anybody else next year. The facts will speak for themselves. There is a depressive overtone to your posts sometimes when things do not go the way you want them. I have to admit, I do not know if we are better off this way or not. But that unknown does not make me feel that the sky is falling.

[sch1977]

BH is a big boy...let him stick up for himself....because you aren't helping him out,trust me.

He can take care of himself alright.

My post has nothing to do with him. My criticism of your sour-grape approach in this board is what I am addressing.

You always seem to be green with envy. (No Jets pun intended). My goodness, with all the poential in the world to be a BIG MONEY MARKER and HIGH REVENUE generating franchise, you guys are nothing but a mediocre and poor team in a town that is too big for you. If it had not been for an early and lonely success with Joe Namath, the Jets franchise would have disappeared from the face of the earth loooong time ago.

You guys are pathetic. All I said was we got a good deal for Ramsey and your entire message board got pissed off? Why was that? Oh yes because it's you with the problem. Be happy for Ramsey...He will get a chance to play. He didn't get that here.

What's the problem?

He got more than one opportunity to prove himself and he didn't. I am pretty sure we know a bit more about the skins than you do mkay!!

[sch1977]

Gibbs got his head handed to him on this one, but can't say he doesn't deserve it. If Brunell goes down and Campbell looks as mediocre as he looked at Auburn, it's good bye myth. He's already blown a season and a playoff on misplaced faith in an injured QB. Three in a row and he'll really look bad. Here's my prediction: we'll wind up with the worse starting QB in the NFL: that old guy Saunders brought over.

Hey... I hear the Jets are desperate for some new fans... Heck even YOU may qualify. They don't require that you know anything about football.

It's pathetic you have to resort to bashing Jets fans because we gave you next to nothing for Ramsey.

The Atlanta deal is a joke. It's not going to happen. This isn't the same old jets front office. There is a new sherrif in town .

Thanks for Ramsey . Anytime you can grab a young former 1st rd pick who never got a fair shake for a bag of footballs...you jump on it. The skins should have taken the deal last week before you signed Todd Collins. IMHO...that gave us the leverage. Sure ...he would probably have been cut anyway...but we would have got into a bidding war with many other teams for him. Ramsey for a 6th rd pick is highway robbery.

Well Danny likes giving to charities, its a nice tax deduction. Let me clue you in on something: Ramsey is NOT that good. He got a fair shake, he just couldn't hack it. Good luck with that QB carousel.

The stats say he hacked it just fine. The facts say he got anything but a fair shake. Sorry to disagree with you again; we can't go any further with Brunell. If Campbell doesn't work out, Gibbs will look like a three-time loser on Brunell by the playoffs.
Just to point out how wrong the prevailing wisdom is: PR in roughly 24 games has over 5,600 yds and 34 TDs. Those are pro-bowl numbers, especially since he played on a horrible team. In comparison, Brunell has equaled those numbers only once in a 12 year career.
Considering the above, it doesn't matter much to me how pretty Ramsey's feet are. Did you ever see Unitas play? I also don't care that he would make coaches look bad by insisting his players were in their correct positions before calling for the ball. Really ticked some of them off, I hear.

I don't think the stats show he hacked it, and I KNOW the Win Loss column shows he didn't hack it

[sch1977]

The stats say he hacked it just fine. The facts say he got anything but a fair shake. Sorry to disagree with you again; we can't go any further with Brunell. If Campbell doesn't work out, Gibbs will look like a three-time lose on Brunell by the playoffs.
Just to point out how wrong the prevailing wisdom is: PR in roughtly 24 games has over 5,600 yds and 34 TDs. Those are pro-bowl numbers, especially since he played on a horrible team. In comparison, Brunell has equaled those numbers only once in a 12 year career.
Considering the above, it doesn't matter much to me how pretty Ramsey's feet are. Did you ever see Unitas play? I also don't care that he would make coaches look bad by insisting his players were in their correct positions before calling for the ball. Really ticked some of them off, I hear.

and thats how the rest of the rational fans see it. those who aren't scorned like BH is that is. Sad when a skins fan owns you like that huh? or is he a jets fan because he doesn't agree wiht you?

Stop trying to make your trade look better by saying Ramsey never got a fair shake!! Bottom line is he has not played well up to this point in his career.

[sch1977]

What's the problem?

Sour grapes. very sour grapes.

How would I ahve sour grapes. was that 6th rd pick worth something?

Ask New England with Tom Brady!!

[SirSmizzy]

Stop trying to make your trade look better by saying Ramsey never got a fair shake!! Bottom line is he has not played well up to this point in his career.

The trade looks good with or without a fair shake. a 6th rd pick is nothing....NADA.

Keep telling yourself you got soemthing in return. Oh yea...you got 1.7 in cap space to make Adam Archuletta the highest paid safety in the history of the NFL. Well worth it

[SirSmizzy]

What's the problem?

Sour grapes. very sour grapes.

How would I ahve sour grapes. was that 6th rd pick worth something?

Ask New England with Tom Brady!!

For the 1 player you names...I can name 500.

[Countertrey]

crazyhorse1 wrote:
The stats say he hacked it just fine. The facts say he got anything but a fair shake. Sorry to disagree with you again; we can't go any further with Brunell. If Campbell doesn't work out, Gibbs will look like a three-time lose on Brunell by the playoffs.
Just to point out how wrong the prevailing wisdom is: PR in roughtly 24 games has over 5,600 yds and 34 TDs. Those are pro-bowl numbers, especially since he played on a horrible team. In comparison, Brunell has equaled those numbers only once in a 12 year career.
Considering the above, it doesn't matter much to me how pretty Ramsey's feet are. Did you ever see Unitas play? I also don't care that he would make coaches look bad by insisting his players were in their correct positions before calling for the ball. Really ticked some of them off, I hear.


and thats how the rest of the rational fans see it. those who aren't scorned like BH is that is. Sad when a skins fan owns you like that huh? or is he a jets fan because he doesn't agree wiht you?

Snicker... Gibbs won't say it... he has far too much class, and, I think he actually likes Ramsey... but, I believe that what he saw, whenever he watched Patrick in a game situation, was a young quarterback suffering PTSD from Steve Spurrier's complete disregard for any kind of protection for the QB. It wasn't a matter of "ugly" feet, but of incessant "happy feet". The kid couldn't get set. He was constantly anticipating the next hit, resulting in an inability to make timely reads of the defense, and make adjustments at the line of scrimmage... Frequent delay of game calls whenever he tried. Failure to run through his receiver progression on a regular basis. Gibbs knows quarterbacks. He has done more with "adequate" journeyman QB's than almost anybody. Nobody has more credibility in assessing the assets a QB brings to the team than Gibbs. Rypien had feet of stone... Gibbs coaching helped him become a Superbowl MVP. Williams wasn't much more mobile at the Redskins stage in his career... OOOPS... Superbowl MVP... You can't possibly believe that Gibbs gives a damn how mobile his QB is... No one has more success in maximizing the effectiveness of multiple QB's, and it just doesn't matter how mobile they are, or even how strong their arm is.

You may just be the next phenom QB coach, and know something that Gibbs doesn't... but I doubt it.

It's a shame, but I think that Gibbs believes that Spurrier ruined this kid, and he didn't need to see more than he did to know it... You want to be pissed... go jump on "the old ball coach". He's the genius who destroyed Patrick Ramsey... not Gibbs. Properly developed, I believe that Ramsey would be well into a stellar career, and Gibbs would be working with the best talent he ever had.

Unfortunately, the player who Gibbs worked with for the last 2 years was not the same one drafted out of Tulane, was not the same warrior who endured endless poundings those first seasons. Courage only goes so far.Those poundings are in his head. Maybe a change of scenery will chase them away... maybe not... But, I'm pretty sure that Gibbs feels that they won't ever leave, that Patrick will be cursed with "happy feet" for a long time...

[SkinsFanInHawai'i]

Keep telling yourself you got soemthing in return. Oh yea...you got 1.7 in cap space to make Adam Archuletta the highest paid safety in the history of the NFL. Well worth it

I guess you didn't see 1niksder thread about how the Redskins FO does contracts?

Here it is

"The Skins make Arch the highest paid saftey in the league"
sounds like a good story, but you know it is a bunch of crap.
Your post make it seem as though the Skins FO has no idea what it is doing.

[sch1977]

What's the problem?

Sour grapes. very sour grapes.

How would I ahve sour grapes. was that 6th rd pick worth something?

Ask New England with Tom Brady!!

For the 1 player you names...I can name 500.

If you think we are going to miss Ramsey, you are crazy. YOU keep telling yourself you are getting a good deal to make yourself feel better. Your team sucks, always has, you can't keep your quality players, and then you get a backup QB who was a first round BUST and you think you have just pulled off the deal of a lifetime. I agree with you that this is comical, but probably in a different context

[sch1977]

Smizzy, why do you get your panties in such a wad because we know how to work well within the cap and get quality players? I realize you have nothing to root for up there in Jersey, but don't put down our operations. We made huge strides last year and won a playoff game, have now addressed our weaknesses within FA, and you sit here and whine and moan like you are Snyders old lady and he is spending too much money. Obviously, the Jets system (whatever that might be) does not work. You have done nothing this offseason to improve on that dismal season you had. The only decent player on your team (Abraham) wants out so bad he can taste it. So quit whining and moaning about how we overspend, and how we NEEDED to get cap space for Ramsey because it's just drivel. Now wipe your tear, finish your Shirley Temple, and head back to NY and watch the other team up there. Maybe you will find SOMETHING to cheer for.

[Deadskins]

crazyhorse1 wrote:
The stats say he hacked it just fine. The facts say he got anything but a fair shake. Sorry to disagree with you again; we can't go any further with Brunell. If Campbell doesn't work out, Gibbs will look like a three-time lose on Brunell by the playoffs.
Just to point out how wrong the prevailing wisdom is: PR in roughtly 24 games has over 5,600 yds and 34 TDs. Those are pro-bowl numbers, especially since he played on a horrible team. In comparison, Brunell has equaled those numbers only once in a 12 year career.
Considering the above, it doesn't matter much to me how pretty Ramsey's feet are. Did you ever see Unitas play? I also don't care that he would make coaches look bad by insisting his players were in their correct positions before calling for the ball. Really ticked some of them off, I hear.


and thats how the rest of the rational fans see it. those who aren't scorned like BH is that is. Sad when a skins fan owns you like that huh? or is he a jets fan because he doesn't agree wiht you?

Snicker... Gibbs won't say it... he has far too much class, and, I think he actually likes Ramsey... but, I believe that what he saw, whenever he watched Patrick in a game situation, was a young quarterback suffering PTSD from Steve Spurrier's complete disregard for any kind of protection for the QB. It wasn't a matter of "ugly" feet, but of incessant "happy feet". The kid couldn't get set. He was constantly anticipating the next hit, resulting in an inability to make timely reads of the defense, and make adjustments at the line of scrimmage... Frequent delay of game calls whenever he tried. Failure to run through his receiver progression on a regular basis. Gibbs knows quarterbacks. He has done more with "adequate" journeyman QB's than almost anybody. Nobody has more credibility in assessing the assets a QB brings to the team than Gibbs. Rypien had feet of stone... Gibbs coaching helped him become a Superbowl MVP. Williams wasn't much more mobile at the Redskins stage in his career... OOOPS... Superbowl MVP... You can't possibly believe that Gibbs gives a damn how mobile his QB is... No one has more success in maximizing the effectiveness of multiple QB's, and it just doesn't matter how mobile they are, or even how strong their arm is.

You may just be the next phenom QB coach, and know something that Gibbs doesn't... but I doubt it.

It's a shame, but I think that Gibbs believes that Spurrier ruined this kid, and he didn't need to see more than he did to know it... You want to be pissed... go jump on "the old ball coach". He's the genius who destroyed Patrick Ramsey... not Gibbs. Properly developed, I believe that Ramsey would be well into a stellar career, and Gibbs would be working with the best talent he ever had.

Unfortunately, the player who Gibbs worked with for the last 2 years was not the same one drafted out of Tulane, was not the same warrior who endured endless poundings those first seasons. Courage only goes so far.Those poundings are in his head. Maybe a change of scenery will chase them away... maybe not... But, I'm pretty sure that Gibbs feels that they won't ever leave, that Patrick will be cursed with "happy feet" for a long time...

Good post! And that's from a Ramsey fan. I'm still sorry to see him go, and wish we had gotten more in return.

[GoSkins]

Enough of this. Ramsey is gone, I hope he does well. As I stated earlier I believe Campbell is a better QB. He is more athletic, he is taller, he is more mobile, and he can throw the long ball better than Ramsey. But don't take my word for it; take Coach Gibbs. Gibbs had a chance to see them this past season in practice and decided Campbell already IS a better QB. The question really is Gibbs right? Well, we won't know for a year or two.

But, I side with Gibbs. The reasons are obvious. Could he be wrong? Yes. Will he be wrong? I hope not and I don't think so. A number of you think he will be wrong. Let's wait and see and not clutter up this board with inane and seemingly endless arguments. You guys have too much time on your hands.

[SirSmizzy]

You might want to go reread my first post. I never said 1 bad thing about the Redskins or this deal. ALl I said was it was a good deal for the jets. Getting a healthy body who can play QB for a late rd pick is a good deal for anyteam.

I even said that it didn't hurt the skins because they were gonna cut him for cap room anyway.

It was the skins fans who turned this into a fight. Why? are they mad theat they didn't get more from the jets? WHo knows but you don't have to be a genius to read what I wrote and understand what I said.

BossHogg is always trying to get his posters to bash me and my opinions because he can't stand me. Anybody who has been on this saite for more than a month knows this to be true.

It's one thing to be a diehard SKins fan and it's another to buy into to every move,decision and transaction they make as they NFL gospel.

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Not that it really matters now... but why Patches? Who was calling him that?

It's very fitting, but this is the first I've heard of it... is that because I'm out of the loop as far as local broadcasts go? In some places is Patches just a nickname for Patrick?

It's my baby. Everybody was going with "P-Ram" or "The Ram" or some such trendy abbreviation.
I coined "Patches" because it seemed appropriate...as many times as he was sacked, hurried, knocked down or run over by his own line..."Patches" held it together.
It's moot now. He's gone, and I wish him well.
Happily, I didn't spend nearly as much money on his rookie stuff as I did with Schuler.