Did Ramsey overplay his hand?

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:10 pm

I seriously doubt Ramsey will stay a Redskin. Collins was brought in to be the #3 and help groom Campbell for the #1 slot. There is no room for Ramsey. You can bet Ramsey told Gibbs in the off season that he wanted to go somewhere else. Gibbs took him at his word and has already made a move with Collins. The next QB move for the Redskins will be for Ramsey to leave.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:16 pm

Here's a fact. No team in the NFL has traded for Ramsey. And rest assured we would take a 3rd rounder for him.

This has to do with leverage and not with Ramsey's talent. Teams know that he doesn't want to be here and that we don't really have a spot for him so there is no need for them to give up a high draft pick when he could end up being cut.

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:20 pm

I respectfuLly disagree. If Ramsey was viewed as a starting caliber QB he would have been picked up by now. Heck reports state Gibbs would take a 4th rounder. What team in the NFL wouldn't trade a 4th rounder for a starting caliber QB?

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:31 pm

GoSkins wrote:I respectfuLly disagree. If Ramsey was viewed as a starting caliber QB he would have been picked up by now. Heck reports state Gibbs would take a 4th rounder. What team in the NFL wouldn't trade a 4th rounder for a starting caliber QB?

This is one of the most telling signs in my opinion. The Jets aren't just trying to screw us by offering a 7th round pick--they genuinely don't see taking a risk on Ramsey as being worth much more than that. Then again, this is the Jets that we're talking about, so. . . :lol:

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:32 pm

This is one of the most telling signs in my opinion. The Jets aren't just trying to screw us by offering a 7th round pick--they genuinely don't see taking a risk on Ramsey as being worth much more than that. Then again, this is the Jets that we're talking about, so. . . icon_lol.gif

Right but the Jets aren't bringing in Ramsey to be their starter. They want him to be a backup to Pennington so I don't see why they would offer anything higher for a backup.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:34 pm

Well, let me clarify. The fact that no team is jumping to offer a 4th round pick for a backup QB is telling of Ramsey's abilities. (In my opinion).

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:42 pm

Absolutely agree. Even if the Jets are mistaken (and their recent track record suggests they may) there are at least 5 teams that need a starting QB. Where are they?

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:45 pm

Absolutely agree. Even if the Jets are mistaken (and their recent track record suggests they may) there are at least 5 teams that need a starting QB. Where are they?

Five? I don't think so. The Raiders are the only team that comes to mind and they are looking at resigning Collins.

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:47 pm

DETROIT (March 16) - Quarterback Josh McCown agreed to terms with the Detroit Lions Thursday, a move that could signal the end of Joey Harrington's run in Detroit.

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:52 pm

GoSkins wrote:Absolutely agree. Even if the Jets are mistaken (and their recent track record suggests they may) there are at least 5 teams that need a starting QB. Where are they?

Waiting for the draft, I'm sure. But agree with others who think the rest of the QB-needy teams in the NFL are just waiting for Ramsey to get cut. We've got 4 QB's under contract and Gibbs clearly doesn't want him, so why waste a pick on someone you can get for free in a few weeks?

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:52 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:
Absolutely agree. Even if the Jets are mistaken (and their recent track record suggests they may) there are at least 5 teams that need a starting QB. Where are they?

Five? I don't think so. The Raiders are the only team that comes to mind and they are looking at resigning Collins.

Arizona, Baltimore, Cleveland, Green Bay, Minnesota, NY Jets, Oakland, and Tennessee

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:59 pm

GoSkins wrote:
SkinzCanes wrote:
Arizona, Baltimore, Cleveland, Green Bay, Minnesota, NY Jets, Oakland, and Tennessee

I think all of these teams though have serviceable QBs they can start the season with. Clearly, Tennessee, Minnesota, and Arizona could. Baltimore and GB most likely too.

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:07 pm

Serviceable? I agree. But a lot of posters think Ramsey is a starter. So my logic tells me why haven't any of these teams made a trade for Ramsey? It would only cost them a 4th rounder. You can bet 3 of those teams will be using their first rounder to draft Leinart, Young and Cutler.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:13 pm

Arizona, Baltimore, Cleveland, Green Bay, Minnesota, NY Jets, Oakland, and Tennessee

Arizona-they just extended Warner's contract so they do not need a starter.

Baltimore-The Ravens still think that Boller can be a starter in the NFL. They are going to continue starting him for the forseeable future.

Cleveland-Trent Diller is solid and they are brining along Charlie Frye as his replacement.

Green Bay-Favre is still very much in the picture and they have Aaron Rogers slated as his replacement if he doesn't come back.

Minnesota-Brad Johnson played well for them last season after Culpepper got hurt. They aren't actively looking for a starter.

Jets-Pennington is still the starter.

Oakland-like I said before they have the most glaring need for a starting qb. But they are also talking about bringing back Collins.

Tennessee-McNair is still the starter and they have a high pick that they can use to draft Leinart with and reunite him with Norm Chow.

Now obviously not all of these qb's are great but only the Raiders are actively looking for a starter.

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:16 pm

GoSkins wrote:
SkinzCanes wrote:
Absolutely agree. Even if the Jets are mistaken (and their recent track record suggests they may) there are at least 5 teams that need a starting QB. Where are they?

Five? I don't think so. The Raiders are the only team that comes to mind and they are looking at resigning Collins.

Arizona, Baltimore, Cleveland, Green Bay, Minnesota, NY Jets, Oakland, and Tennessee

Green Bay?!? You've not heard of Brett Farve? Last I heard, he's still coming back. Plus, they spent a first-rounder on Aaron Rogers last year, so they already have a current QB (and future HOFer) and their QB-of-the-future.

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:22 pm

You have just validated my argument. No one wants Ramsey as a starter.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:40 pm

I'll go back to the original question and say that I do not think Ramsey "overplayed" his hand. He has been a good team member here and I think that Gibbs has showed that he thinks he is "worth" something better than what has been reportedly offered.

I also still happen to think that maybe there are a lot of QB "evaluators" out there (on other teams obviously) who do not think that Ramsey can help their teams. I still feel that Ramsey can play better than a lot of these other "starting" QBs. Gibbs would not have kept Ramsey on this team (last year) if he did not think he could "start". Gibbs' QB is very important and he would not have taken that chance. IMO, Gibbs knows Ramsey a lot better than a lot of these other teams and maybe some here!

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:46 pm

I agree. But Ramsey wants to leave so he can start somewhere. It doesn't look like the market feels he can start on another NFL team. So he has overplayed his hand.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:26 pm

GoSkins wrote:I agree. But Ramsey wants to leave so he can start somewhere. It doesn't look like the market feels he can start on another NFL team. So he has overplayed his hand.

Okay then we feel differently. Ramsey wants to leave IMO only because he would like an opportunity to play (maybe start!) NOT because he wants to leave but because he feels that he would have a better chance to do that elsewhere.

It does not matter (to Ramsey) what other teams feel - he knows what is in store here!

Therefore, I think that he and Gibbs have played their cards well as now they both seem to be still able to consider the best opportunity for the team (and Ramsey) by not just trading him to some place that will not be a good chance for him. Gibbs and the team are forcing this not Ramsey, IMO.

Same thing as you are saying - just different! :lol:

I will just add again that I think Ramsey will help wherever he goes. I know that we will have 3 QBs and wish that things could be different but I think that he will win some games elsewhere. I also think that Gibbs knows this too.

TincoSkin · Post by **TincoSkin** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:27 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
GoSkins wrote:I agree. But Ramsey wants to leave so he can start somewhere. It doesn't look like the market feels he can start on another NFL team. So he has overplayed his hand.

Okay then we feel differently. Ramsey wants to leave IMO only because he would like an opportunity to play (maybe start!) NOT because he wants to leave but because he feels that he would have a better chance to do that elsewhere.

It does not matter (to Ramsey) what other teams feel - he knows what is in store here!

Therefore, I think that he and Gibbs have played their cards well as now they both seem to be still able to consider the best opportunity for the team (and Ramsey) by not just trading him to some place that will not be a good chance for him. Gibbs and the team are forcing this not Ramsey, IMO.

Same thing as you are saying - just different!

I will just add again that I think Ramsey will help wherever he goes. I know that we will have 3 QBs and wish that things could be different but I think that he will win some games elsewhere. I also think that Gibbs knows this too.

eggsactly!

SkinsFanInHawai'i · Post by **SkinsFanInHawai'i** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:10 pm

If we don't get a decent offer for Ramsey, we keep him and cut Collins.
Then when someone gets hurt we trade him and re-sign Collins.

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:41 pm

SkinsFanInHawai'i wrote:If we don't get a decent offer for Ramsey, we keep him and cut Collins.
Then when someone gets hurt we trade him and re-sign Collins.

I don't think that will happen. Here's why: Collins was brought in because he knows Saunders' system. Collins will be the one to train Campbell and help Brunell. Ramsey is not part of the Redskins' QB equation.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:53 pm

Patrick Ramsey made an expensive bet going to another team. If he succeeeds in NY THIS year, he will command a huge contract the year after.

BUT if he does not succeeed, his career would be on the bench somewhere for good.