What if Gibbs doesn't win?

[SirSmizzy]

They did do that, DE...but he had no history there. It doesn't compare. Besides, Tuna didn't come out of retirement, did he ? I thought he came straight from the Patriots, and the Jets had to give up picks for him. Smizzy is trying to say that Dan signed Joe because he got himself and the franchise so messed up that only one guy could be brought in that we as fans wouldn't second-guess. He's also saying that Joe came back for two reasons: The challenge of getting everything right, and the huge money being offered. I don't know if I agree with Smizzy all the time, but I don't think Joe would've come back on a volunteer basis. Mostly, Smizzy needs to stop lashing out with vitriol everytime somebody comes back at him hard. It is, after all, our house. Basically, though, I like having him here. Nobody brings out the Hog in Solway like Smizzy !

I agree 100%.

[JPFair]

Smizzy,

I admire your firm beliefs, and the respect you've shown in this forum. While I may not agree with your football beliefs, but that's what I respect about you. It takes a lot of class to come in here, under the situation that you do, and stand up for yourself as you have. You have good posts, and I admire the class that you've exhibited in "enemy territory" so to speak.

Good Luck!

[SirSmizzy]

I tell it how i see it....ask me about the jets .ill tell you the truth.

The FO is a joke....the team is in the top 5 worst in the league.

[doeslammer]

I don't get it, who in the hell brougt this up, Gibbs doesn't want to win, what ever you are drinking please clue me in, this is the dumbiest question in Americam History Ever
Gibbs is the best coach prove all of you so called SKINS FANS OUT. WAR REDSKNS FOR LIFE!

[JPFair]

this is the dumbiest question in Americam History Ever
Gibbs is the best coach prove all of you so called SKINS FANS OUT. WAR REDSKNS FOR Life

HUH?

[BossHog]

Brings out the hog in me?



No, what he did today was ruin thread after thread with insepid spite. Post after post with little basis on the previous ones, and constant bickering. Don't read the end of the threads.. read it all... don't read just this one, read the one I had to lock.

Truthfully, today Smizzy propogated the type of discussion and threads that I absolutely despise in any community, and will not be a part of. And running and crying for hope on the Jets board proved a lot to me... not that he got any help.

He didn't bring out the hog in me, he took the hogs out of the boards... he turned it into his own little theater... and I'm just not arrogant enough to do that to a board of 700 people.

[SirSmizzy]

Since this is the second time you brought it up ill adress it.


Nobody came here from the jets insider to help me....except 1 person...why...because i felt bad and i went back and took it down...within minutes...

Truthfully, today Smizzy propogated the type of discussion and threads that I absolutely despise in any community, and will not be a part of

This is my favorite part....

BH your the king of propaganda ....you might as well change the name from hogs.net...to Branch dividian-redskin style.


Im sorry i don't just lie down and let you say your little snide remarks about the jets without any retaliation...

[SirSmizzy]

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[SkiNoVA]

SKINS FANS OUT. WAR REDSKNS FOR LIFE!

uhhh.... ?? heheh

[BossHog]

Nobody came here from the jets insider to help me....except 1 person...why...because i felt bad and i went back and took it down...within minutes...

Why'd ya feel bad? Don't really care what you did after. doubt ya felt bad because you felt you'd done a smart thing, or a justifiable thing.

This is my favorite part....

BH your the king of propaganda ....you might as well change the name from hogs.net...to Branch dividian-redskin style.


Im sorry i don't just lie down and let you say your little snide remarks about the jets without any retaliation...

I'm not asking you to lie down for anything. The thread turned into a hate mongering between a Jets fan and a Redskins fan... I don't really care what you think about propoganda or whatever BS... this isn't what I want on my board... whether it's me involved or not. We've worked very hard to keep this board bicker free, and I felt that there was nothing but bickering going on. Was i guilty myself? I'm sure. Is it relevant to what I want on my board? Not at all.

See you just act like you never say anything offensive and yet you say things like 'branch davidian-redskin style' like it should be taken off the cuff. You've been here plenty long enough to know that I vehemently encourage discussion and conflicting opinions... but now that it's convenient for your argument today... I'm a cult leader. Please. Go try spend the amount of time on another Redskin board that you've been able to post here... please.

It's a Redskins board. It will never be a Jet board. We all know that you hate the Redskins and you think that Dan Snyder is the biggest idiot in the history of the NFL. Ok... you've made your point. So why are you hanging around? because if you think you're just going to hang around all the time and take every oportunity to lace into all things Redskin and justify your actions by saying that you're entitled to your opinon... your kidding yourself. If that's your new bag, it won't be for long.

If you look through all of your threads, you'll see that I may attack the jets... but I never attack you personally... you have done it repeatedly to me. It is a violation of our charter and yet you continue to think that you are obiding by the rules. You're not. It doesn't matter if you call somebody a jerk or accuse them of runing a board like a cult... you're attacking the person. I don't do that to you, and never have. And yet this isn't the first time you've had a little tizzy is it?

Earlier today you said this to me...

As far as coming here to talk football...i have a Jets baord on that ill bet money you guys wouldn't go to and try to have a decent football conversation because nobody outside of this Washington board respects the skins.....Im not coming here unwelcomed...its a Chat board for christ sakes... you guys hide here...so nobody messes with your perfect skins daydreams.


Go to the Jets Insider and talk crap like you do to me here and ill bet you won't last 5 minuites...

Your own statement above and your tenure on this board prove just how Branch-Davidian we are eh? We wouldn't last 5 minutes there, but you've been here how long?

We don't need to go to a Jets board... we have this one... a Redskins board... We're on a Redskin board to talk about the team we love... not the jets... most of us couldn't care less about the jets. We always will have this board... with or without you.

[jDub]

[We don't need to go to a Jets board... we have this one... a Redskins board... We're on a Redskin board to talk about the team we love... not the jets... most of us couldn't care less about the jets. We always will have this board... with or without you.

oh...that's rich boss! i have always wondered why he was even here. i respect the jets well enough (they've had an above .500 record - except for last year - every season since parcells got there). and i even admire his boldness for even posting here. but man, he was asking for it, eh? ...who has the audacity to post on another team's board and comment prolifically and antagonistically (and sometimes poorly) on that team without getting some serious flak? whheeewww.....

anyways, my 2 cents on gibbs: he's back. he WILL get this franchise back on its feet. maybe no superbowls in his second act. but, i feel a deep run or two in the playoffs is in the making. i'd love to see us back in the superbowl. but, all that i really need at this moment is to be in contention. a scent of promise and potential. and there really is this time.

like the greatest american hero theme song said, "believe it or not i'm walking on air...."

[SirSmizzy]

I'm not asking you to lie down for anything. The thread turned into a hate mongering between a Jets fan and a Redskins fan... I don't really care what you think about propoganda or whatever BS... this isn't what I want on my board... whether it's me involved or not. We've worked very hard to keep this board bicker free

Its called banter and i have never been to message board where banter is welcome as long as you stay witin the rules of the board...

See you just act like you never say anything offensive and yet you say things like 'branch davidian-redskin style' like it should be taken off the cuff. You've been here plenty long enough to know that I vehemently encourage discussion and conflicting opinions... but now that it's convenient for your argument today... I'm a cult leader. Please. Go try spend the amount of time on another Redskin board that you've been able to post here... please.

whats the mean?I saty within your guidlines and rules and i don't personally attack any of your posters.

It's a Redskins board. It will never be a Jet board. We all know that you hate the Redskins and you think that Dan Snyder is the biggest idiot in the history of the NFL. Ok... you've made your point. So why are you hanging around? because if you think you're just going to hang around all the time and take every oportunity to lace into all things Redskin and justify your actions by saying that you're entitled to your opinon... your kidding yourself. If that's your new bag, it won't be for long.

Do i ever come in here talking trash about the skins?Or am i usally provoked? anytime i make a comment here it's followed by the follow replies:
1)dont you have your own board?
2) your a closter skins fans...maybe its because we took all their players..chuckle,chuckle.
3) how many super bowls do you have?
4)your FO is cheap in one way,shape or form.

so i usally reply with...whats your record?

and it starts from there....what am i suppose to say..im not a skins fan...i don't share you views.

If you look through all of your threads, you'll see that I may attack the jets... but I never attack you personally... you have done it repeatedly to me. It is a violation of our charter and yet you continue to think that you are obiding by the rules. You're not. It doesn't matter if you call somebody a jerk or accuse them of runing a board like a cult... you're attacking the person. I don't do that to you, and never have. And yet this isn't the first time you've had a little tizzy is it?

I thought saying "the Kool-aid is spiked" and "branch davidian" was within the rules...i mean if its breaking the rules then someone need to explain to me the constant tolerance of this broken rule everyday here..
I think its alot different that calling you a name.but since you say its a violation,ill stop.

Earlier today you said this to me...
"As far as coming here to talk football...i have a Jets baord on that ill bet money you guys wouldn't go to and try to have a decent football conversation because nobody outside of this Washington board respects the skins.....Im not coming here unwelcomed...its a Chat board for christ sakes... you guys hide here...so nobody messes with your perfect skins daydreams.


Go to the Jets Insider and talk crap like you do to me here and ill bet you won't last 5 minuites... "

Ill rephrase...
Nobody respects the skins out side of this washington baord(just like i don't get any here...
so go there and share you opinions about the skins with a message board who won't be so favorable in the views about your team)
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go to the jetsinsider and talk crap like you do about the jets here and i bet you won't last 5 minutes there without all out war and you breaking some rules...Like i do here.

Your own statement above and your tenure on this board prove just how Branch-Davidian we are eh? We wouldn't last 5 minutes there, but you've been here how long?

We don't need to go to a Jets board... we have this one... a Redskins board... We're on a Redskin board to talk about the team we love... not the jets... most of us couldn't care less about the jets. We always will have this board... with or without you.

My point is the views in here are stagnent...most of these yourng guys listen to your every word....so when you say that what Snyder has done up till now doesn't count anymore because he brought back gibbs and things are changing...is wrong...it does matter..the kids here should know that the way things are done..and the way way snyder does it is wrong....i don't think thats up for debate...you should be telling these young guys that he is wrong and they should know the difference between the right way and the snyder way....its not a shot at the redskins.. the redskins are a 1st class franchise...the jets are bush league in comparison...thats not up for debate either...

Your should be very happy gibbs decided to bail snyders butt out of this giant mess he has created ther in the nations capital...it is what it is...i don't trully believe that gibbss wouyld have come to the skins on his own and said i wanna come back?

I have no problems with the skins franchise....they are an NFL superpower..you have a great history and should be proud of it...i don't take any of that away from you and im not trying to tarnish any of you acomplishments...but the snyder regime has been horrible thus far...most of his decision are made by a fan not by a rational owner...you can say the jets are cheap/frugal but having the money money to spend and still doing just as bad as and worse then the Jets is sad when you think about the amount of money your paying your players.

[jDub]

smizzy...what gives with your jetsinsider site? i lurked on it (oh yeah...i lurked) for a few minutes and found that you guys are true jets fans...miserable and bitter. and i say this without contempt. really. trust me man...i live in new paltz, ny (you know...the one with the crazy young mayor) and I KNOW jets fans. you've got a good nucleus (chad's pretty good in my book and abraham - when he's not sick with some kind of flu - is a disruptor) and a great coach. and yet, you guys are always frustrated and upset with your own team. and...you guys seem to mention our team maybe a little too much. understandable...but a little too much.

so...from looking at the jetsinsider i can see why you'd want to stir things up. we're mostly positive over here and from what i've seen from your site, you guys are pretty negative. i know i sound patronizing. but, i root for you guys in a small way...unless you play us....

[skins75]

I know I said I was done responding to Smizzy but I cant not say anything regarding this. BH is not spreading any incorrect information to our fellow younger Hogs.net brethren. I dont think you know how to read entire threads. Out of anyone on this board BH seems to be the most unbiased skins fan. Telling it the way it is etc. As far as your concern for the truth...Lets get a couple of things right out there:

1. The Jets didnt sign Winfield
2. Portis is not 5-10 170 or whatever pounds as you claim (5-11 204). I love the fact that because he isnt a Jet he is a overpaid RB that will be hurt within weeks of the season.
3. JG may not take us to the SB but will bring us back to respectability.
4. Keep your opinions as your opinions not factual information. You are the biggest martyr I think I have ever heard. You are not abused here because your opinion differs from ours its because you decide that you want to attack ours.

Anyway, lets get back to talking football. This kinda bullcrap should be on the Jerry Springer Boards.

[gibbsfan]

Asking "what if gibbs doesn't win " is moot???

Bacause he alreadu won you a SB???

Good thinking....talk about resting on laurels.

Only redskin fans would be happy paying tons of money for a NAME...insted of talent.

SO if gibbs doesnt win ta SB this time a round....you will have paid him all this extra money for a SB he already won?

Way to go.
I think if he don't win....his legacy is tarnished....uyou gave him more than he has ever had before....Coaches ,players ,whatever he needs....he needs to win.

if thats what you think. i,m glad you love the man cause he already has you worried like he has every other team in the nfl worried.he has won a sb, correction he has won 3 superbowls along with 2 cup titles in racing he is an icon period.i ,ll stop right there because others up here have a little more to say. joe gibbs what a coach what a person what a role model. he,s made a believer out of me and alot of other redskin fans as well.so what i really have to say is.
whatever!

[Philly is an Armpit]

I love the fact that because he isnt a Jet he is a overpaid RB that will be hurt within weeks of the season.

I remember when Parcells and Curtis Martin were traded to the NYJ. The Jets mortgaged their future on the two to the Pats. Parcells and Martin signed the two biggest contracts of the time. Now look who's laughing in the AFC East.

Smizzy, now I understand why you think Gibbs and Portis will turn out to be a busts.

[VRIEL1]

It's not that Gibbs does not know how to lose it's that when he loses he even looks good. Gibbs has lost games in the past but he has not had a really bad season since his first year. He takes the time to look at films and find little things that can help the team unlike the last coach which I truely belive just watched a couple football games and said good luck. Gibbs system is not a failing system. It has so maney threats that it's hard to stop. You have to find which weapon is going to be used and stop it. Once the D-line moves up to stop the run he passes...when they move back to stop the pass he runs or uses the TE. Not that different from the West Coast other than they use alot of short passes. Gibbs system is proven and with Zampese in the mix the team will soar. Every team that Zampese has helped has gone on to win superbowls!!! go skins

[SirSmizzy]

I know I said I was done responding to Smizzy but I cant not say anything regarding this. BH is not spreading any incorrect information to our fellow younger Hogs.net brethren. I dont think you know how to read entire threads. Out of anyone on this board BH seems to be the most unbiased skins fan. Telling it the way it is etc. As far as your concern for the truth...Lets get a couple of things right out there:

1. The Jets didnt sign Winfield
2. Portis is not 5-10 170 or whatever pounds as you claim (5-11 204). I love the fact that because he isnt a Jet he is a overpaid RB that will be hurt within weeks of the season.
3. JG may not take us to the SB but will bring us back to respectability.
4. Keep your opinions as your opinions not factual information. You are the biggest martyr I think I have ever heard. You are not abused here because your opinion differs from ours its because you decide that you want to attack ours.

Anyway, lets get back to talking football. This kinda bullcrap should be on the Jerry Springer Boards.

Who are you kidding...where did i say portis will be a bust?
This is the type of junk that you guys are notorious for...you take something i say and twist it into something much worse...Who cares what i think of portis....Who cares if i think he's not durable...ive always said that about portis...not because he's a skin now.

I love how you all throw "attack" out there like i just attack you unprovoked...what a buch of BS......And gibbs fan you worse than anybody here...you look to start fight with me every chance you get.

Like today gibbs fan you counld'nt wait to tell me we didnt sign winfield....

You can say what you want to me and im suppose to just shut up..because i should be considerate of ruining the overall "chi" of this board?

[gibbsfan]

only thing i,m going to say is that i don,t listen to jet fans that well.and besides i,m not going to get in a war of words with you or anybody else on this board cause i consider this board one of the best around that i,ve been a part of so please let,s chill man. and as far as winfield goes i said nothing in regards to that player.

it,s all gooood from here!

[DEHog]

1)dont you have your own board?
2) your a closter skins fans...maybe its because we took all their players..chuckle,chuckle.
3) how many super bowls do you have?
4)your FO is cheap in one way,shape or form.

Ok I may be guilty of 1,2 and 4 but when I have ever mentioned our SB's??

[gibbsfan]

thanks dehog! that pretty much sums it up right there!

[skins75]

Smizz lets just agree to disagree and remember that this is a football message board. I understand that no one likes to be singled out and attacked by many. That was not the purpose for the posts I have made. I say lets end these types of conversations and talk some football. Agreed?

[Steve Spurrier III]

I don't want to get involved in all of this, but if you go back to when Smizzy first got involved, he made his post and everyone jumped all over him. Maybe it's because he has a Jets logo beside his name that makes everything he says seem like an attack or maybe it's his repuationt, but I can't say that he was out of line with his initial posts (and I have to say I agree with a lot of it).

It should also be noted that about three posts after Smizzy's first was:

“At least we have been to the superbowl since the nfl afl merger.but that must have been before you eeked into exsistence was'nt it?i do'nt care if gibbs does'nt win one more game,he has nothing to prove to any of us.can any of your 2000 jet coaches since weeb ewbank left come close all together to having a record like coach gibbs can?the answer is a huge HELL NO.the jets are the laughing stock of the afc east,they will only get to the super bowl if somebody forefits,and then they would get lost unless a washington redskins pilot was flying the damn plane.”

I’m not defending everything Smizzy says or does because I haven’t read all his posts and I do think he tends to pick fights, but at the same time, posts like the one above contribute nothing except get everyone riled up. The result is five pages of bickering.

In the words of my mother, it takes two to have an argument...

[gibbsfan]

Smizz lets just agree to disagree and remember that this is a football message board. I understand that no one likes to be singled out and attacked by many. That was not the purpose for the posts I have made. I say lets end these types of conversations and talk some football. Agreed?

i agree smizzy how bout you man! come on tgif man!
i,m sorry rough week i apologize!

let,s talk football agree!

[SirSmizzy]

I agree 100%...I love this baord...its a great football board...but it very true what DEHog said...everybody ,including me is guilty and i appreciate SSIII for taking the time to look at the thread and not bashing me for defending myself..I do tend to get mean when provoked..im sorry..im a New Yorker,thats what we do.

I love talking football with you guys...because its a different view that the one i usally get on my jets board.

I didn't call my frinds over to turn your site into a banter city...im sorry i invited them and i did close the the thread.