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Redskins hosting Abraham: The Redskins scheduled Jets defensive end John Abraham for a visit Sunday night after 49ers defensive end Andre Carter visited the facility but departed for a trip to Denver.

Abraham is a franchise player but the Jets are willing to trade him, and Abraham wants to be traded. What's interesting is whether the Redskins have enough draft choices to try to appease the Jets. Their No. 1 is with the Broncos. They have only a second, a fifth, two sixths and a seventh. Washington traded its No. 3 to the 49ers for wide receiver Brandon Lloyd along with a No. 4 in 2007.

This is Abraham's first visit. He's talking to four other teams, including the Seahawks and the Broncos.



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Ramsey and a 2nd round draft pick for Abraham?
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Could happen. I again think maybee Ramsey and Betts for Abraham.
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Redskins hosting Abraham: The Redskins scheduled Jets defensive end John Abraham for a visit Sunday night after 49ers defensive end Andre Carter visited the facility but departed for a trip to Denver.

Abraham is a franchise player but the Jets are willing to trade him, and Abraham wants to be traded. What's interesting is whether the Redskins have enough draft choices to try to appease the Jets. Their No. 1 is with the Broncos. They have only a second, a fifth, two sixths and a seventh. Washington traded its No. 3 to the 49ers for wide receiver Brandon Lloyd along with a No. 4 in 2007.

This is Abraham's first visit. He's talking to four other teams, including the Seahawks and the Broncos.



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We've had a couple of great signings for the O. Now its time to get one for the D. It'd be GREAT to get Abe.

Think we can get him by trading PRam and our 2nd round pick for him?
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frankcal20 wrote:Could happen. I again think maybee Ramsey and Betts for Abraham.


We need to keep Betts ... in case the Madden curse gets CP (I don't believe in curses - but don't want to take any chances).
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I wouldn't mind all the trades for him. If we address all of our needs through free agency then thats fine also. Buges can do some great things in FA ya know.
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As for the cover for Madden 07...dont you guys think having Alexander or somebody like Roethlisberger makes much more sense than Portis??
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MtSherwood7 wrote:Ramsey and a 2nd round draft pick for Abraham?

I could see that
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1niksder wrote:
MtSherwood7 wrote:Ramsey and a 2nd round draft pick for Abraham?

I could see that


Gibbs did say that he prefers to acquire moreso through free agency than the draft....

Hopefully wont dont deal any more picks from next years draft. If we go into next year with a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th.... Ill be good.
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that would be rediculous...
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I would give them Ramsey and a second next year, because more then likely we need that 2 for a Corner or a linebacker. Am liking Cromartie or AJ Nicholson, can you tell Florida State Fan but they are two good Football players
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Bummer, it looks like we may not get Andre Carter.

He's left for Denver without a deal... and normally if the leave, they're don't come back...

Darn I really wanted him too, even more than Abraham.

Abraham will just costs tons of money and draft picks. (but he is a stud though)
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I was really hoping/expecting Carter to sign with us before he left and thought that would cause us to not look towards Abraham.

I would be happy to get either player.
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Ramsey and Patten in a package deal for Abraham.....you heard it here.........
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The most interesting quarterback news was word of a possible trade between Washington and the Jets: The Redskins send the Jets their second-round draft pick and quarterback Patrick Ramsey up on the shuttle in return for defensive end John Abraham.

The Jets would need far more, such as instead of this year's second-rounder, next year's first-rounder (the 'Skins don't have a No. 1 this year), and dropping any conditions to a Ramsey trade such as winning the starting job or reaching performance incentives.


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man i think this abraham deal might be in the works
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Ill be pissed if we give up next years #1 pick.
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Out with Ade, in with Abe! I don't know if a 2nd round plus Ramsey would be enough to get him. Either Ramsey plus a 1st round pick or Betts sounds more right.
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The Jets lost Chrebet and will need to fill that gap. So I to think Patten and Ramsey could be something to watch. Something is gonna happen,and i think it will happen today.Is Ramsey getting any interest from anywhere else. I haven't heard anything about Ramsey..Holla Back folks.
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The Jets also need a RB, how about Ramsey, Betts, and Patten? That might be enough but maybe a second day pick will be required as well.
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Man, that would give the Redskins the NFL's top defense for sure, but how much money go we have left?
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Skinsfan55 wrote:Man, that would give the Redskins the NFL's top defense for sure, but how much money go we have left?

No way to tell until the details of the contracts for our new players come out. Before that can be calculated we need to know the details of the new contracts of the players that restructured. We need details, details, details. Until these numbers are known the answer to your question will be at best a guess.
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Now that we signed Carter, has anyone see anything about Abraham getting traded to the Skins? I'd rather not get him at this point. I don't want another high priced guy -- let's use our remaining cap on another CB, OLine depth, K and P. Keep our picks.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2368971

Sources: Falcons pursuing deal to land Jets' Abraham

ATLANTA -- The Atlanta Falcons are working hard to assemble the appropriate pieces of a trade package intended to lure prized defensive end John Abraham from the New York Jets, ESPN and ESPN.com have confirmed through league sources.

One significant road bump to a deal that, despite ongoing efforts from both sides, remains a long shot: The Falcons steadfastly refuse to include two-year veteran quarterback Matt Schaub, the player Jets officials regard as the centerpiece to any deal, in their trade proposals.

It is believed the Jets are seeking Schaub and the Falcons' second-round draft pick for Abraham.

Without the inclusion of Schaub, the backup to Michael Vick and a youngster whose résumé includes just two regular-season starts, the swap might never be consummated. But Atlanta in particular continues to pursue it and hopes to craft a package that might attract the Jets, but without having to surrender Schaub or the Falcons' first-round draft choice, the 15th overall selection in the lottery.

"There have been discussions, as in plural, but I don't know that it will happen," said one team official. "But [the two teams] are still plugging away."

That said, neither club seems prepared yet to end the talks, in part because the Falcons covet Abraham and because New York is determined to trade the veteran end, designated by the Jets as their franchise player for a second consecutive year.

Despite the speculation that the Jets will use the fourth overall pick on April 29 to choose one of the three highly regarded quarterback prospects in the 2006 draft, New York has apparently targeted Schaub as the young passer it really wants to land. The Jets recently restructured the contract of starting quarterback Chad Pennington to keep from having to release him for cap reasons. But uncertainty still surrounds Pennington, who had surgery in October to repair a torn right rotator cuff, his second such procedure in eight months.

Because of the Pennington situation, the Jets are seeking a younger player, one with starting potential.

A third-round draft choice in 2004, Schaub is highly regarded around the NFL and by Atlanta officials. The former University of Virginia standout has played in 11 games in two seasons, two of them starts, and has completed 66 of 134 attempts for 825 yards, with five touchdown passes, four interceptions and a passer rating of 68.8.

Schaub, 24, lost both his starts. But in a 31-28 loss to New England last Oct. 9 at the Georgia Dome, he threw for 298 yards and three touchdowns in an impressive outing. The defensive coordinator for New England in that game was Eric Mangini, who is the Jets' new head coach, and who obviously liked what he saw of Schaub that day.

Falcons officials are reluctant to part with Schaub for at least two reasons: First, they consider him a quality player and an eventual starter in the league. Second, team officials realize that Vick's derring-do style will always make him susceptible to injuries, and that Atlanta needs a solid backup capable of possibly starting a few games every season. The Falcons consider Schaub ideal for that role.

"We like [Schaub] and he plays a very important position," Falcons team president Rich McKay told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution earlier this week. "From our position, what it would take [to surrender Schaub in a trade] would have to be very strong."

That said, the Falcons would love to land Abraham, a high-energy defender who is viewed as one of the NFL's premier outside pass rushers. And whether New York deals Abraham to Atlanta or some other club, it's clear the six-year veteran will not be back with the Jets in 2006.

Abraham visited with Washington officials over the weekend and was set to be in Seattle for a Wednesday visit. It was announced last week that Abraham would meet with four teams, and Atlanta is believed to be among them.

The Jets last month designated Abraham a franchise player, essentially making him a one-year qualifying offer of $8.33 million, but also severely limiting his mobility in free agency. New York used the franchise tag a year ago, as well, to retain Abraham, and he missed the offseason programs and training camp before signing the one-year deal, worth $6.66 million just days before the start of the season.

Abraham has been saying for two years that he prefers a long-term contract but the two sides have not been able to strike a satisfactory deal. Any team that trades for Abraham will have to first reach agreement with him on a long-term contract. The Falcons have some history in trading for franchise players, having acquired franchise wide receiver Peerless Price from Buffalo in 2003 after reaching a long-term accord that included a $10 million signing bonus.

The Falcons also have a history in dealing with Abraham's agent, Tony Agnone, who represents Atlanta standout left defensive end Patrick Kerney. Teaming Kerney and Abraham would give the Falcons a terrific defensive end tandem.

Termed by Cleveland Browns coach Romeo Crennel as "head and shoulders" above any pass rusher available this offseason, Abraham certainly is a proven sack man. One of the Jets' four first-round selections in the 2000 draft, Abraham has consistently been among the top pass rushers in the NFL, when healthy. Limited to just 19 appearances in 2003-2004 because of injuries, Abraham, a three-time Pro Bowl performer, played in all 16 games for the Jets in 2005, only the third time in six years he has played a full schedule.

He registered 67 tackles, 10½ sacks, six forced fumbles, one recovery and two passes defensed. For his career, the former South Carolina star has 328 tackles, 53½ sacks, 18 forced fumbles, five recoveries and eight pass deflections in 73 games.
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