Thank you captain obvious....

VASkin27 · Post by **VASkin27** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:50 pm

I promise, this was on ESPN's page today. Fat Lenny in all his infinite wisdom.....

Updated: Feb. 26, 2006, 2:49 PM ET
Redskins looking to deal QB RamseyBy Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

In one of the NFL's worst-kept secrets, Washington Redskins coach Joe Gibbs has acknowledged that the team is trying to trade former first-round quarterback Patrick Ramsey, and has granted permission to the one-time starter and his agent to seek potential trade suitors as well.

Patrick Ramsey
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2005 SEASON STATISTICS
Att Comp Yds TD Int Rat
25 15 252 1 1 95.3

"We're moving ahead, trying to see what opportunities are out there for him and also evaluating what is best for us," Gibbs allowed. "I'm not sure if anything will get done, but we're looking, and we're letting [agent] Jimmy Sexton look around and talk [to other teams]."

There are, however, at least two potential impediments to trading Ramsey, the Redskins' first choice in the 2002 draft, who is still regarded as a quarterback with solid potential.

The first is the anticipated glut in the quarterback market, with the possibility that high-profile veterans such as Chad Pennington (New York Jets), Drew Brees (San Diego), Daunte Culpepper (Minnesota) and Brian Griese (Tampa Bay) will be thrust into the free-agent market. A few months ago, none of those players was projected as a free agent but a number of factors, from injuries to salary cap implications, have impacted their respective circumstances.

Second, until the last few days, the Redskins were still seeking a second- or third-round pick in return for Ramsey, league sources said. And while that may have been a viable price tag three months ago, a buyer's market and Washington's ham-handed handling of Ramsey have probably reduced his value in the eyes of some teams interested in acquiring the four-year veteran.

Indications over the weekend were that the Redskins, who have targeted the New York Jets as a possible trade partner, have dropped the price. But the Jets, who have some interest in a deal, won't move ahead until they resolve the Pennington situation, and determine whether he will accept a proposed salary cut for 2006, or if they will be forced to release him.

For now, there is no deal imminent for Ramsey, demonstrating once again that timing is key.

A year or two ago, when it became obvious that Gibbs' staff wasn't enamored of Ramsey, the Redskins would almost certainly have commanded a higher price for the former Tulane star. But Washington failed to pull the trigger on a deal when Sexton could have brought them several suitors. Gibbs sold Ramsey on the notion that he would compete for the starting job, then went out and invested a 2005 first-round pick on Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell.

Ramsey started the '05 season opener, was pulled in favor of Mark Brunell at halftime, and didn't log another start the rest of the season. The poor handling of the situation probably means that Washington will have to settle for far less now in any Ramsey trade. Even at a reduced rate the Redskins likely have to deal Ramsey or release him, since he has finally become alarmed by his status.

"He's frustrated with the situation over the last couple years," Gibbs said.

Ramsey, 27, has a 10-14 record as a starter. He has completed 480 of 861 passes for 5,649 yards with 34 touchdown passes, 29 interceptions and a 75.0 quarterback rating. His base salary for 2006 is $1.688 million, not unreasonable for a team that views him as a starter, but he is entering the final season of his original contract. Any team interested in acquiring Ramsey would probably want him to sign an extension before completing a trade.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.

MtSherwood7 · Post by **MtSherwood7** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:59 pm

I like how he said it was "the NFl's worst kept secret" if you are trying to trade a player, do you keep it a secret? I dont think I am an expert or anything, but I think you sort of want to let people know you are trying to trade someone, if you keep it a secret how are you supposed to trade anyone?

rick301 · Post by **rick301** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 5:29 pm

And another secret is that Fat Lenny actually likes the skins ... NOT!

What a piece of 'junk' article. Nothing new here. He has his quota he has to fill. You'd think as a professional he could come up with something new - now a rehash of old news ...

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 5:33 pm

I don't think I can comment on the "article" unless this gets moved to Smack :roll:

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:38 pm

MtSherwood7 wrote:I like how he said it was "the NFl's worst kept secret" if you are trying to trade a player, do you keep it a secret? I dont think I am an expert or anything, but I think you sort of want to let people know you are trying to trade someone, if you keep it a secret how are you supposed to trade anyone?

Dude, you should email that to him, Fat Len is such a moron!

ROTFALMAO

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:58 pm

A remarkable grasp of the obvious.

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:13 pm

I'm guessing you've rarely seen or used to term "worst-kept secret" before. It's implying that it was never a secret to begin with, bka "Dripping With Sarcasm".

No argument on my part about Lenny and his POV, though. He's a little slow :lol:

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:34 pm

GoSkins wrote:A remarkable grasp of the obvious.

What a great avatar! I look forward to see the full version when you "earn" it. :shock:

People, people, have mercy on a fast-food-choking and feeble old man. He does not know what he's doing. He never did. :wink:

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:38 pm

You guys can rip Pastabelly all you want but the way the Skins handled the Ramsey situation was pretty terrible. It's pretty clear that Gibbs never wanted Ramsey as his starter so we should've traded him earlier, when we could've gotten a 1st or 2nd round pick for him. Now we are going to have to settle for a 3rd or 4th (or maybe even lower) pick for Ramsey. Now teams know that we are getting rid of Ramsey so we have no leverage in trade talks. With so many qb's on the market and a very solid qb class in the draft we may even end up having to cut Patrick.

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:45 pm

The team that gives up a 3 for Ramsey (Jets :roll:

) needs to either be committed or join a foundation...you know, like Jerry's Kids...

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:24 pm

Primetime42 wrote:The team that gives up a 3 for Ramsey (Jets ) needs to either be committed or join a foundation...you know, like Jerry's Kids...

He's better than EVERY QB on your roster. Silence.

rick301 · Post by **rick301** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:27 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:You guys can rip Pastabelly all you want but the way the Skins handled the Ramsey situation was pretty terrible. It's pretty clear that Gibbs never wanted Ramsey as his starter so we should've traded him earlier, when we could've gotten a 1st or 2nd round pick for him. Now we are going to have to settle for a 3rd or 4th (or maybe even lower) pick for Ramsey. Now teams know that we are getting rid of Ramsey so we have no leverage in trade talks. With so many qb's on the market and a very solid qb class in the draft we may even end up having to cut Patrick.

Gibbs didn't think PR was the starter - but he still needed him as an experienced QB to back up MB in case of injury. JC was just a rookie last year. Smart move on Gibbs part. Now that PR is rested up and healthy, I expect he will have a great year for someone else - and then we'll be scratching our heads and wonder why we let him go. I like PR. I wish him well where ever he goes.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:57 pm

Primetime42 wrote:The team that gives up a 3 for Ramsey (Jets ) needs to either be committed or join a foundation...you know, like Jerry's Kids...

Speeking of Jerry's kids, he would be an improvement over any QB on your team.

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:20 am

The Hogster wrote:
Primetime42 wrote:The team that gives up a 3 for Ramsey (Jets ) needs to either be committed or join a foundation...you know, like Jerry's Kids...

He's better than EVERY QB on your roster. Silence.

I doubt that a QB who's ego Joe Gibbs crushed two times is even in Drew Bledsoe's league.

I still think Henson's better than him, with his whole 1 game of experience.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:51 am

Primetime42 wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
Primetime42 wrote:The team that gives up a 3 for Ramsey (Jets ) needs to either be committed or join a foundation...you know, like Jerry's Kids...

He's better than EVERY QB on your roster. Silence.
I doubt that a QB who's ego Joe Gibbs crushed two times is even in Drew Bledsoe's league.

I still think Henson's better than him, with his whole 1 game of experience.

Thanks Primetime! I needed a good laugh today!

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:02 am

Redskins Rule wrote:
Primetime42 wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
Primetime42 wrote:The team that gives up a 3 for Ramsey (Jets ) needs to either be committed or join a foundation...you know, like Jerry's Kids...

He's better than EVERY QB on your roster. Silence.
I doubt that a QB who's ego Joe Gibbs crushed two times is even in Drew Bledsoe's league.

I still think Henson's better than him, with his whole 1 game of experience.

Thanks Primetime! I needed a good laugh today!

You can usually tell that they don't have anything to say when they go "I needed a good laugh today"...

...especially when it's the only thing they say. :roll:

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:24 am

Primetime42 wrote:
Redskins Rule wrote:
Primetime42 wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
Primetime42 wrote:The team that gives up a 3 for Ramsey (Jets ) needs to either be committed or join a foundation...you know, like Jerry's Kids...

He's better than EVERY QB on your roster. Silence.
I doubt that a QB who's ego Joe Gibbs crushed two times is even in Drew Bledsoe's league.

I still think Henson's better than him, with his whole 1 game of experience.

Thanks Primetime! I needed a good laugh today!
You can usually tell that they don't have anything to say when they go "I needed a good laugh today"...

...especially when it's the only thing they say.

What are you talking about Primetime?

You made a joke about Henson being better then Ramsey. I laughed at your joke........I guess I'm sorry for thinking your joke was funny. I'll try not to laugh next time.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:42 am

SkinzCanes wrote:You guys can rip Pastabelly all you want but the way the Skins handled the Ramsey situation was pretty terrible. It's pretty clear that Gibbs never wanted Ramsey as his starter so we should've traded him earlier, when we could've gotten a 1st or 2nd round pick for him. Now we are going to have to settle for a 3rd or 4th (or maybe even lower) pick for Ramsey. Now teams know that we are getting rid of Ramsey so we have no leverage in trade talks. With so many qb's on the market and a very solid qb class in the draft we may even end up having to cut Patrick.

Gibbs has also said he's not going to give up Ramsey for less than he should get. He's worth a 2nd round pick or more, despite the prevailing anti-wisdom of Redskin fans. He has a lifetime qb rating of over 75, in case many of you have forgotten, has never been under 70, was 95 last year, has been the Skins most productive player over the last four years (check it out) and puts over 20 points on the boards every four quarters of play. Redskins fans may choose to be blind to that, but I don't think league GM's are.

skinpride1 · Post by **skinpride1** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:53 pm

Pretty much says it all on Redskins.com.Gibbs was at the combine saturday and gave some answers about Ramsey to the press.The most obvious part that stuck out to me was that Gibbs sounded like he was not going to just give Patrick Ramsey away.I think they are wanting a good Trade for him and not some crappy draft deal,they are wanting a trade for another veteran type player.Ramsey only has one year left on his contract and why just give him away when he can stay and be one hell of a back up for another year.

welch · Post by **welch** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:23 pm

PT42 said

I doubt that a QB who's ego Joe Gibbs crushed two times is even in Drew Bledsoe's league.

I still think Henson's better than him, with his whole 1 game of experience.

Slow down now, PT.

1. If Gibbs could crush Ramsey's ego, then there wasn't much ego to begin with...not enough to make a starter.

2. Bledsoe is not as good as I remember him with the Patriots. Ramsey - Bledsoe? Bledsoe might be an older Ramsey. Might be...Ramsey still seems to have trouble deciding on a receiver.

3. Don't forget that we're all -- all here in New York / Redskin land -- waiting to see Henson. I don't know if anyone who was never a Yankee fan will notice what has happened to "the next big star" third-baseman, but Henson will always draw some curiosity.

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:05 pm

welch wrote:PT42 said
I doubt that a QB who's ego Joe Gibbs crushed two times is even in Drew Bledsoe's league.

I still think Henson's better than him, with his whole 1 game of experience.

Slow down now, PT.

1. If Gibbs could crush Ramsey's ego, then there wasn't much ego to begin with...not enough to make a starter.

2. Bledsoe is not as good as I remember him with the Patriots. Ramsey - Bledsoe? Bledsoe might be an older Ramsey. Might be...Ramsey still seems to have trouble deciding on a receiver.

3. Don't forget that we're all -- all here in New York / Redskin land -- waiting to see Henson. I don't know if anyone who was never a Yankee fan will notice what has happened to "the next big star" third-baseman, but Henson will always draw some curiosity.

Are you a fellow Yank fan? :lol:

#1 was my point exactly. If a no-experienced Henson was worth a 3, what can Ramsey be worth in a QB-stuffed free agent market?

And don't insult Ramsey's scrambling and pocket awareness with reason #2, it's the reason we will have the most expensive line in football next year :oops:

Raindog · Post by **Raindog** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:29 am

Gah, I liked Ramsey and I'm sad to see him go.

I don't think he was ever devoloped properly and was given the high hat by Gibbs & co. PR was brought in by Steve Spurrier and was part of the QB carresel with Shane Mathews and whoever that other guy was. Second year all he did was take huge hits because of our minimum protection blocking scheme from a leaky O-Line. Granted, he did hold on to the ball too long in some cases, but, he was a young QB who didn't have a full year of games under his belt or a good vertern QB to learn from like so many first rounders do.

Gibbs comes in, brings in an expensive Brunell, Ramsey lost the starting job to Mark who proceeded to stink up the place. Ramsey didn't do great but was improving and was promised to start the season. Well, Gibbs made good on his promise by moving up in the draft to get Jason Campbell and allowing Patrick to play for about 24-27 game minutes. Ffter Ramsey was clothslined and brought to the sideline where he remained until we played the Giants.

Does that sound like how you devolop a quarterback? By letting him take sacks and benching him several times? I bet Gibbs is going to be much nicer to Campbell than he was with Ramsey.

Henson could start for Detroit.