Does anybody see whats happening

redskingush · Post by **redskingush** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:54 pm

By getting rid of Ramsey we are leaving the job wide open for Brunell, I don't think Campbell is the started yet. Brunell skills are diminishing as the years and particularly the season go on. It would be nice to get something for Ramsey, but at what cost, we will be vulnerable at the most important position.

Hog Heaven · Post by **Hog Heaven** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:00 pm

It doesn't matter. Gibbs gave Ramsey his word that if he wanted out after the season, we would trade him. Gibbs is a man of his word, so unless Ramsey wants to stay (I can't see why he would) he's gone. Also, if you listen to the end of the year press conferences by Gibbs, he does think Cambell is ready to play.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:05 pm

First we don't know how far Jason has progress. Secondly Patrick wasn't coming into camp as the starter or even fighting for the spot and it's good he may get a shot somewhere else. And last but not least Joe Gibbs will bring in someone to make it a trio.

At that point we may know where Campbell stands on the depth chart. As far as the job being wide open for Brunell, well it is his job to lose

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:08 pm

If we trade Ramsey, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Skins sign a journeyman, veteran quarterback, somebody who could provide some insurance if Brunell is injured and Campbell proves unable to carry the load.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:10 pm

Im very happy having a veteran QB lead us right now...Campbell will play when he has to or when he is ready.

Ramsey is not really a factor at the moment...we'll see how it pans out. I doubt Gibbs will cut him, so if we don't get any good trade offers, expect him to be back with us and maybe even see time at QB....who knows...at this time last year, no one would have thought that Brunell would lead us to 2 games away from the Bowl, let's just wait and see.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:04 pm

If Campbell is the future, it makes sense for him to be the #2 this year. The risk is worth it if we finally develop a QB who can lead this franchise for more than two years.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:45 am

You guys are missing the poster's point somehow. Let me re-state it. We have no reason to believe that Campbell is ready. NONE! We also have little or NO reason to believe that Brunell won't hurt himself sooner or later. There is also No, absolutely NO, FA out there that can help us get to or into the playoffs except Culpepper or Farve, neither of whom we can afford.
Right now, Ramsey is PROBABLY our best chance of going to the playoffs and superbowl. If he leaves, we have an excellent chance of being LAST in our division. That is Why all the power rankings have us behind the Cowboys at the present time. Nobody thinks Brunell will last, or Campbell will be ready. Question: Why do WE? Are we Morons? Answer: Probably.

KPrince1975 · Post by **KPrince1975** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:16 pm

crazyhorse1 wrote:You guys are missing the poster's point somehow. Let me re-state it. We have no reason to believe that Campbell is ready. NONE! We also have little or NO reason to believe that Brunell won't hurt himself sooner or later. There is also No, absolutely NO, FA out there that can help us get to or into the playoffs except Culpepper or Farve, neither of whom we can afford.
Right now, Ramsey is PROBABLY our best chance of going to the playoffs and superbowl. If he leaves, we have an excellent chance of being LAST in our division. That is Why all the power rankings have us behind the Cowboys at the present time. Nobody thinks Brunell will last, or Campbell will be ready. Question: Why do WE? Are we Morons? Answer: Probably.

Nicely said.

fredp45 · Post by **fredp45** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:07 pm

have no fear, gibbs knows more about football (especially qbs) than all of us put together...

EA7649 · Post by **EA7649** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:05 pm

and...Brunell is better than Ramsey

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:27 pm

EA7649 wrote:and...Brunell is better than Ramsey

It doesn't matter how good Brunell is if he's not going to make it through half the season.

Raindog · Post by **Raindog** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:39 pm

We should get a second or third round draft pick for him and maybe some younger prospects. As for Ramsey staying, I doubt it. Did you know that Washington signed another QB by the name of Casey Bramlet in January? That sounds like emergency third string QB to me, which tells me that Ramsey leaves, Brunell starts and Campbell continues to learn and possibly goes in if Mark gets hurt.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:32 am

Raindog wrote:We should get a second or third round draft pick for him and maybe some younger prospects. As for Ramsey staying, I doubt it. Did you know that Washington signed another QB by the name of Casey Bramlet in January? That sounds like emergency third string QB to me, which tells me that Ramsey leaves, Brunell starts and Campbell continues to learn and possibly goes in if Mark gets hurt.

Younger prospects, Raindog? What we need is a starter who can make it through the playoffs. Otherwise, we fail. Brunell will be done by mid-season. Campbell is untested. He might be terrible. Who knows. Casey Bramlet is not going to keep us from finishing last in the division.
Right now, I predict 6 and 10 with the league's leading defense per play, but not in total yardage.

Raindog · Post by **Raindog** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:39 am

Younger prospects, Raindog? What we need is a starter who can make it through the playoffs. Otherwise, we fail. Brunell will be done by mid-season. Campbell is untested. He might be terrible. Who knows. Casey Bramlet is not going to keep us from finishing last in the division.
Right now, I predict 6 and 10 with the league's leading defense per play, but not in total yardage.

I'm with you, believe it or not but what I'm saying is that younger propects means guys outside of the quarterback position. YOu always need those type of characters (where did Samkon Guado come from, if you want a big name example)

Brunell is close to being washed up. Great year last year, but don't think that it's going to last long. Gibbs seems to trust Ramsey about as much as Dennis Green trusted Josh McCowen. Campbell is untested but we spent a lot of draft picks on him, I'd say let's throw him out to the wolves and see if those picks were spent well or wasted.

I couldn't believe we made it to 10-6 last year. I'll be floored if we make it back to the playoffs next year. Get a second reciever, bench Brunell and let Campbell take some licks. Maybe in two or three years we can make it to the big game, but I seriously doubt that we'll be as close as were were this year.

bedsonjo · Post by **bedsonjo** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:59 am

Since when did P. ramsey become our savior, we drafted Campbell for a reason. Not to sit behind Ramsey

redskingush · Post by **redskingush** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:11 pm

Well, all us redskins fans watched 18 games this past season and If any of you can tell me that Mark Brunell looked better at the end than he did in the begining, Id love to see your points. Ramseys turbulent Redskins Career is culminating into one of the keys to our 2006 season. If he wasn't any good than 4-5 teams that all need starters wouldn't be calling about him if he was that bad. He is now a veteran that know's this offence after 2+ years. As far as Gibbs goes, I love him, but he has blinders on when it comes to Brunell eg.Ramsey Given starting job for minicamps, training camp, preseason and then gets one quarter to prove himself give me a break. Alot of you Love Brunell and dislike ramsey however in my eyes he is and important piece of the 2006 season.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:28 pm

Raindog wrote:
Younger prospects, Raindog? What we need is a starter who can make it through the playoffs. Otherwise, we fail. Brunell will be done by mid-season. Campbell is untested. He might be terrible. Who knows. Casey Bramlet is not going to keep us from finishing last in the division.
Right now, I predict 6 and 10 with the league's leading defense per play, but not in total yardage.

I'm with you, believe it or not but what I'm saying is that younger propects means guys outside of the quarterback position. YOu always need those type of characters (where did Samkon Guado come from, if you want a big name example)

Brunell is close to being washed up. Great year last year, but don't think that it's going to last long. Gibbs seems to trust Ramsey about as much as Dennis Green trusted Josh McCowen. Campbell is untested but we spent a lot of draft picks on him, I'd say let's throw him out to the wolves and see if those picks were spent well or wasted.

I couldn't believe we made it to 10-6 last year. I'll be floored if we make it back to the playoffs next year. Get a second reciever, bench Brunell and let Campbell take some licks. Maybe in two or three years we can make it to the big game, but I seriously doubt that we'll be as close as were were this year.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:34 pm

Raindog wrote:
Younger prospects, Raindog? What we need is a starter who can make it through the playoffs. Otherwise, we fail. Brunell will be done by mid-season. Campbell is untested. He might be terrible. Who knows. Casey Bramlet is not going to keep us from finishing last in the division.
Right now, I predict 6 and 10 with the league's leading defense per play, but not in total yardage.

I'm with you, believe it or not but what I'm saying is that younger propects means guys outside of the quarterback position. YOu always need those type of characters (where did Samkon Guado come from, if you want a big name example)

Brunell is close to being washed up. Great year last year, but don't think that it's going to last long. Gibbs seems to trust Ramsey about as much as Dennis Green trusted Josh McCowen. Campbell is untested but we spent a lot of draft picks on him, I'd say let's throw him out to the wolves and see if those picks were spent well or wasted.

I couldn't believe we made it to 10-6 last year. I'll be floored if we make it back to the playoffs next year. Get a second reciever, bench Brunell and let Campbell take some licks. Maybe in two or three years we can make it to the big game, but I seriously doubt that we'll be as close as were were this year.

I see no real alternative to your plan, Raindog. If Ramsey's history in the eyes of Gibb's, its got to be sink or swim time for Campbell if we're going to have a chance at going anywhere. In my opinion, its far more likely that Campbell will pull a Big Ben than it is that Brunell will make it through the seasan (how many seasons in a row has he had to be benched now?). Also, as you suggest, even if he falls short of Big Ben, we'll be ahead of the game because he'll have a year of experience under his belt. If Brunell starts, we'll end up with nada.

The Mayor · Post by **The Mayor** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:29 pm

Hog Heaven wrote:It doesn't matter. Gibbs gave Ramsey his word that if he wanted out after the season, we would trade him.

Although I've read this "rumor" before, I've never seen a link to this quote. In fact, I find it hard to believe that Gibbs would let Ramsey leave if it wasn't in the best interest of the Redskins. If the Redskins can get value for Ramsey that exceeds his current value as a player, then I can see the move happening. Otherwise, Ramsey remains a Redskin. Even if he (Ramsey) would rather be elsewhere.

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:45 pm

crazyhorse1 wrote:You guys are missing the poster's point somehow. Let me re-state it. We have no reason to believe that Campbell is ready. NONE! We also have little or NO reason to believe that Brunell won't hurt himself sooner or later. There is also No, absolutely NO, FA out there that can help us get to or into the playoffs except Culpepper or Farve, neither of whom we can afford.
Right now, Ramsey is PROBABLY our best chance of going to the playoffs and superbowl. If he leaves, we have an excellent chance of being LAST in our division. That is Why all the power rankings have us behind the Cowboys at the present time. Nobody thinks Brunell will last, or Campbell will be ready. Question: Why do WE? Are we Morons? Answer: Probably.

There is no proof that Ramsey can get us to the playoffs, let alone win any playoff gams!

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:13 pm

I think Gibbs feels Campbell is already at the point where he can beat out Patrick Ramsey for the #2 spot.

Quote from WP on 2/25/06 regarding Joe Gibbs and his thoughts on Ramsey's future:

"We're kind of working with Jimmy Sexton and Patrick," Gibbs said. "I think we're just kind of moving ahead, trying to see what opportunities are out there for him and also to evaluate what's best for us. I'm not sure anything will get done. But we are looking and we're letting them also look and talk, so we're just going to see."

If the offer is right Ramsey WILL BE TRADED.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:13 pm

We have no reason to believe that Campbell is ready. NONE!

Crap. What I know is that one of the 10 best coaches in the history of the NFL, who happens to have won 4 NFC championships and 3 NFL championships with 3 different quarterbacks, has apparently determined that Ramsey is expendable. I don't need anything else.

Apparently, you have some expertise that he does not.

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:25 pm

Countertrey wrote:
We have no reason to believe that Campbell is ready. NONE!

Crap. What I know is that one of the 10 best coaches in the history of the NFL, who happens to have won 4 NFC championships and 3 NFL championships with 3 different quarterbacks, has apparently determined that Ramsey is expendable. I don't need anything else.

Apparently, you have some expertise that he does not.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:18 pm

hkHog wrote:
Countertrey wrote:
We have no reason to believe that Campbell is ready. NONE!

Crap. What I know is that one of the 10 best coaches in the history of the NFL, who happens to have won 4 NFC championships and 3 NFL championships with 3 different quarterbacks, has apparently determined that Ramsey is expendable. I don't need anything else.

Apparently, you have some expertise that he does not.

If Gibbs has all the answers, why do you post your opinions or bother to form them? I do it because it part of the game. I'm a fan. That involves second guessing the coach, who usually knows more than you do. I'm surprised I have to explain this to you.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:21 pm

Oh, let the kid go already. He's not gonna get a shot here. Let him go someplace where he can start fresh and maybe make something of himself. There are some folks posting here in this thread who seem to be forgetting that the people who're really in charge of making those decisions have a pretty good track record. If they say that Ramsey is not a good fit here, then it is what it is. Let him go. He's under contract, so there's no cut. He's trade bait...and when's the last time we had somebody that a bunch of teams wanted...that we could afford to lose ?
(And, seriously...we can afford to lose him.)