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DEHog wrote:So let me get this right we're "blaming" Mark Brunell for taking us to and winning a playoff game right? :wink:

It's as pointless to say Brunell deserves much of the credit for winning that playoff game as it is to say Brunell deserves much of the blame for losing the playoff game after that.

While Brunell did a fine job overall this year, he also had some very bad days, especially toward the end of the season. 9 for 25 against Philly? 7 for 15 and 41 total yards against Tampa? 3 INTs in Arizona? 14 for 32 against Oakland? Consistency from the QB position would be nice.
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Kudos to DE Hog and Boss Hog for reminding the impatient fans about reality.

This is the first message board I ever joined, and amazingly reading these posts from certain people is almost like therapy. You can almost predict to the name who will start complaining and blaming one person who is 1/22th of the team for the entire team's struggles.

It is almost comical. I agree. Brunell gets nothing but praise from me, he did an admirable job. The knee injury he suffered was similar to the one Rothlesberger took mid season. He needed 2 games of rest and a couple after that to get healthy and his performance suffered.

Brunell got hurt at a bad time of the year, yet we still won the games he started, and had an opportunity to win on the road to knock off the #1 seed. To me that is nothing to be complaining about.

Some people on here act like we have QB problems like the Detroit Lions or something. We have a veteran who just took us to 11 wins, a backup who is capable, and a promisinig 6-4 228 lb mobile 3rd stringer who is learning from Gibbs and a QB coach who has coached the likes of Steve Young.

Why are these detractors whining so much?

Brunell threw 1 less TD, and one more Int than Hasselbeck who happens to be the NFC Pro-Bowl starter. That is nothing to cry about, but some of us will anyway.

The only valid point made about Brunell is that he is aging. But that is why Campbell was drafted by Gibbs...and even then the same people were crying and moaning about that draft pick.

Gibbs knows what he's doing. So in the meantime, spare us with your whining and complaining. Our QB situation is not at all in dire straights.
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Continued Gibbs: "We see a lot in practice. My impression is that he's very accurate. I think he's going to be a guy that can really roam with a football. I think he's going to make plays with his feet. I think he has a sense of what the pocket is. He'll slide. He's going to be hard to sack because he's so big. We've seen a lot out of him.

"Now, he needs to play. We'll get into that. I laughingly told him, 'Take the hat off and throw it away. You're getting ready to go work. You're going to have to earn your money now.' Carlos Rogers was yelling at him, too. He said, 'I told my buddy that he has to start earning his money. The rest of us are out there playing.' Anyway, I think Jason had a year that was probably good for him. He got to hear it, see it and go through it. He probably learned a lot."

I agree, our QB situation is not dire at all---Jason Campbell is going to shock the world...when I look at the Steelers last year, I saw a good young qb who got a lot of help from a great defense and a great running game...

when i look at the skins this year, i saw a great defense, and a running game that worked...i'm gearing up for a big year out of the skins next year...

i'd also like to point out that coach gibbs isn't going to be here forever...it's possible that he can win with gandhi at quarterback, but i don't know that about coach williams or coach saunders...i'm not blaming brunell for anything, just like bengals fans probably didn't blame kitna for their season...i'm just looking at an nfc east that has young qbs everywhere except dallas...i look at the bucs and see chris simms, who was impressive this year...rex grossman played well against a great d...i trust coach gibbs, and i like what he's doing with this team...it's time for the skins to take the next step...
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The Hogster wrote:Kudos to DE Hog and Boss Hog for reminding the impatient fans about reality.

This is the first message board I ever joined, and amazingly reading these posts from certain people is almost like therapy. You can almost predict to the name who will start complaining and blaming one person who is 1/22th of the team for the entire team's struggles.

It is almost comical. I agree. Brunell gets nothing but praise from me, he did an admirable job. The knee injury he suffered was similar to the one Rothlesberger took mid season. He needed 2 games of rest and a couple after that to get healthy and his performance suffered.

Brunell got hurt at a bad time of the year, yet we still won the games he started, and had an opportunity to win on the road to knock off the #1 seed. To me that is nothing to be complaining about.

Some people on here act like we have QB problems like the Detroit Lions or something. We have a veteran who just took us to 11 wins, a backup who is capable, and a promisinig 6-4 228 lb mobile 3rd stringer who is learning from Gibbs and a QB coach who has coached the likes of Steve Young.

Why are these detractors whining so much?

Brunell threw 1 less TD, and one more Int than Hasselbeck who happens to be the NFC Pro-Bowl starter. That is nothing to cry about, but some of us will anyway.

The only valid point made about Brunell is that he is aging. But that is why Campbell was drafted by Gibbs...and even then the same people were crying and moaning about that draft pick.

Gibbs knows what he's doing. So in the meantime, spare us with your whining and complaining. Our QB situation is not at all in dire straights.


I don't see very many people "whining" about Brunell. Just giving their early off-season impressions about what the implications of a change (or no change) at quarterback might be. Perhaps your perception of their posts has more to do with you than with them.

Don't fool yourself into thinking that most fans wouldn't trade the chance to see Campbell get significant time for a super bowl victory. Just because you disagree about whether Brunell can get us there, doesn't mean you don't all have the same goal in mind.
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I am as excited about Campbell as the next guy. But I don't blame Brunell for this team exiting the playoffs. I also don't minimize what he did after the season is over just to support my personal opinion of him.

I think that is the difference..
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The Hogster wrote:I am as excited about Campbell as the next guy. But I don't blame Brunell for this team exiting the playoffs. I also don't minimize what he did after the season is over just to support my personal opinion of him.

I think that is the difference..


I don't think anyone is minimizing what he did, just pointing out that he is not the same player when he is banged up, and no quarterback has ever gotten through a season without getting somewhat banged up.
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The Hogster wrote:I am as excited about Campbell as the next guy. But I don't blame Brunell for this team exiting the playoffs. I also don't minimize what he did after the season is over just to support my personal opinion of him.

I think that is the difference..


I don't think anyone is minimizing what he did, just pointing out that he is not the same player when he is banged up, and no quarterback has ever gotten through a season without getting somewhat banged up.


That is fair enough, but I think that is true of anyone. When you are banged up or hurt your performance suffers...just like Rothlesberger, Pennington, McNabb, or anyone.
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The Hogster wrote:I am as excited about Campbell as the next guy. But I don't blame Brunell for this team exiting the playoffs. I also don't minimize what he did after the season is over just to support my personal opinion of him.

I think that is the difference..


I don't think anyone is minimizing what he did, just pointing out that he is not the same player when he is banged up, and no quarterback has ever gotten through a season without getting somewhat banged up.


That is fair enough, but I think that is true of anyone. When you are banged up or hurt your performance suffers...just like Rothlesberger, Pennington, McNabb, or anyone.


you make a good point, there is always that injury risk in football. but i think where our camp is coming from is in realizing that brunell has gotten seriously banged up (to the point of very poor performance or even not being able to play at all) in at least the past 3 seasons in a row. i find it hard to believe that will suddenly remedy itself now that he's another year older.


as far as comments made by others earlier in the thread about QBs taking over for gibbs upon injury to the starting QB: the problem is, (i think) those QBs were hurt so bad they were unable to play at all. whereas brunell seems to consistently get injured to where he can PLAY but cannot PERFORM- and gibbs doesn't seem to want to take him out as long as he can stand up.
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Cry me a river. If someone asked you last year if Brunell would lead us to the second round of the playoffs, you would have said "NO" in a resoundingly pessimistic tone.

So now all of a sudden we are supposed to take up arms and follow your lead?

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The Hogster wrote:Cry me a river. If someone asked you last year if Brunell would lead us to the second round of the playoffs, you would have said "NO" in a resoundingly pessimistic tone.


So what? No one is denying Brunell had a renaissance year, and we will always love him for that. But we just question his ability to do it in 2006 and beyond.

Brunell hasn't finished a season strong since 2002. Only Trent Green and Brett Favre are the only starters older than the soon-to-be 36 year-old Brunell. Other than Trent Dilfer, the last player to lead his team to a Super Bowl victory with a quarterback rating lower than Brunell's 85.9 rating was Jeff Hostetler in 1990. That means Brunell has to not only replicate his 2005 performance, but build upon it.

We don't hate Brunell, and he had a fantastic season. If he was 26 instead of 36, I would be all for him leading this team into the future. But Father Time makes no exceptions, and it stands to reason that his play is only going to deteriorate rather than improve.
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Yes, I don't think anyone is trying to minimize Brunell's contribution. But there's no doubt that towards the end of the year he started slowing down. People are often fond of comparing Brunell's numbers to Hassleback's, but look at their last game. We lost to a Seattle team without Alexandaer, after forcing three turnovers. Neither us nor the Seahawks had our main running threat, but Hassleback managed to lead his team to 20 points. What makes that more impressive is that Hassleback had to do it against a better defense than Brunell did.

Just as we shouldn't minimize Brunell's contribution, we should also not overlook when he's had trouble. After all, many people on this site are not willing to do that for lavar, or for derrick dockery, take your pick. The fact is that in his last 7 games, Brunell threw for over 200 yds in just one game, threw 9 tds (4 in the cowboys game) and 6 interceptions (3 in the cardinals game). During that stretch he also had 4 fumbles. On the other hand, during the first 9 games, he threw 15 TD's, 5 ints, and went over 200 yds 7 times.

Some of the discrepancies come with a change in philosophy. A bigger commitment to the running game limited Brunell's throws. But, when your QB has to throw, you'd like to see him produce. Brunell produced for many games this year, but it seems like he just wore out. That's not a condemnation, that's just an observation. If anyone has information undermining that observation, I'd welcome it.
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It's entirely possible that Brunell will not be "good enough" to take us to the Superbowl next year but at the same time give us the best chance to win, week in, week out. If that's the case, he should be the QB that starts.


If he gives us the best chance to win every week, there is always hope for a championship.


Don't know yet which QB will give us the best chance to win next year, though. That's what the offseason and preseason is for. . .
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weneedcharlesmann wrote:Yes, I don't think anyone is trying to minimize Brunell's contribution. But there's no doubt that towards the end of the year he started slowing down. People are often fond of comparing Brunell's numbers to Hassleback's, but look at their last game. We lost to a Seattle team without Alexandaer, after forcing three turnovers. Neither us nor the Seahawks had our main running threat, but Hassleback managed to lead his team to 20 points. What makes that more impressive is that Hassleback had to do it against a better defense than Brunell did.

Just as we shouldn't minimize Brunell's contribution, we should also not overlook when he's had trouble. After all, many people on this site are not willing to do that for lavar, or for derrick dockery, take your pick. The fact is that in his last 7 games, Brunell threw for over 200 yds in just one game, threw 9 tds (4 in the cowboys game) and 6 interceptions (3 in the cardinals game). During that stretch he also had 4 fumbles. On the other hand, during the first 9 games, he threw 15 TD's, 5 ints, and went over 200 yds 7 times.

Some of the discrepancies come with a change in philosophy. A bigger commitment to the running game limited Brunell's throws. But, when your QB has to throw, you'd like to see him produce. Brunell produced for many games this year, but it seems like he just wore out. That's not a condemnation, that's just an observation. If anyone has information undermining that observation, I'd welcome it.


I agree with this assessment, and I have said that his age is a valid critcicism. I admit that. What I am talking about is this.

People went into the year hating Brunell, and understandably so. Brunell did an admirable job this year and shut many of them up. Then we lose to the #1 seed in the playoffs and now the same characters come back out and try and use his statistics to prove themselves right all along.

To me, that is just plain weak.

The guy is getting old and that is why Joe Gibbs, the Hall of Fame Coach, traded picks to get Jason Campbell this year. The same people who criticized Brunell were ardent Ramsey supporters, and they hated that trade.

So here we are. Gibbs made the right move by trading for Campbell. He has a year of learning already and we are ahead of the game when it's time for him to start. But instead of admitting their own misjudgments, these people come out after the season and get back on their soapbox about how the sky is falling because Brunell is the QB.

I understand he is getting old, and that is why Gibbs handpicked a 6-5 230lb mobile and accurate collegiate player to groom for the future.

Who knows when he will see action, but at least be real when you are discussing Brunell. Don't spin the facts to support your own agenda.

As for Seattle, we had our opportunities, but I don't blame Brunell alone. I love Clinton and I think we have a good O-Line but we couldn't run the ball at all. They made us one dimensional, and you have to give them credit. They stopped us in the Red Zone, and their defense was good all year from 30 yds and in. Give them credit too, don't just say it's Brunell's fault.

In that game Brunell was 22/37 for 242 yds and 1 TD.
Hasselbeck was 16/26 for 215 yds 1 TD.

When we opened it up late in the game, we connected on some things, but couldn't punch it in from the Red Zone.

I don't blame any one person. Just like I don't blame the corners who were covering D-Jack who had 143 receiving yards on us, I don't blame Brunell or Clinton. We simply didn't get it done.
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well, it seems to me that you are implicitly trying to use statistics to prove your point as well...i don't really know what other criticisms have been made recently about brunell other than his age, but they might be frustration more than anything...

as for those stats, hassleback had two tds, one which he ran for. brunell's td came off a deflection and a great play by santana moss...

and no, as i said, you can't blame brunell for the loss anymore than you can blame carlos rogers for missing that interception...but, as to the running game, both the star running backs were taken out of the game...one quarterback stepped up, and one didn't...to me it's that simple...i don't think that should be a reason to sit brunell, but i think these comparisons between hassleback and brunell are a little ridiculous...particularly in the playoff game...

once again, i don't know about the ramsey support, or the complaining about the trade...right now, the deal is looking pretty good...all i'm talking about is next year, and what i think will make the skins a better team...

i'll even grant that perhaps brunell will be better at the start of next season...that's understandable, he's been in the league forever...but the skins are so close to being a real threat in the nfl, and i think we're going to need consistent quarterback play...i think that one thing we can say is that brunell wasn't consistent this year...therefore, i'd like to get a guy in there who i think has an upside...i don't think that's a ridiculous strategy, or a knock on brunell, or anything...i mean, joe montana got shipped to kansas city because the 9ers wanted to let steve young start...it worked out pretty well...

i don't know everything you've said mr. hogster over the course of this year, and i don't think i really have the patience to check all the boards...but, i do think that it's likely that you've made a bad call or two over the course of the season...so, perhaps calling people out for voicing an opinion and getting it wrong is kind of hypocritical...in the end, we're all skins fans who would trade any one of our "theories" for a championship...i was one who argued that campbell should have played earlier this year...that doesn't mean that i wasn't pulling for brunell on every play, every game...you root for the team, whoever that includes...but that doesn't mean you have to check your opinions at the door...

having said all that, i can't wait for next season, b/c the skins are once again on the rise, and that's all i really care about...
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This is a pointless argument. Bottom line is WE lost the game, not Brunell, not Carlos Rogers, not any one person.

Who cares that their 'star' running back went down. They still rushed for over 100 yards as a team. They converted their 3rd downs, and we didn't. We didn't establish our ground game, which is our style, and it was too little too late when we started throwing the ball.

What is so hard to understand about that? We are all entitled to an opinion. But reality is reality. We won as a team, and we lost as a team, and it's pretty pathetic to Win as a team, then loose and call out one player.

Do I think there are better QB's out there than Brunnell? HECK YEAH. Is one of them on our team right now?? Who knows.

But if you have watched football for any number of years, you should appreciate the fact that we have a veteran guy and a young talent to bring along. Throwing Campbell in there last or maybe even this year may not be the best move just because you or I are anxious to see him play.

Would you rather have a team like the Giants that wins games in the regular season, but gets blanked in the playoffs behind an inexperienced QB? I like our situation, and I have full confidence that when a better Quarterback than Brunell is on the roster, Gibbs will play him. Until then, blaming him for our playoff exit is okay, just as long as you give him the 'blame' for helping us get there.

I hope Campbell develops into a Ben Rothlesberger or Carson Palmer type talent, god knows I do. And if Gibbs feels like he can do it this year, I will be 100 percent behind him. (I am one of few people who didn't think the trade to draft him was dumb.) But don't throw a guy under the bus when all he did was help lead us to the second round of the playoffs.
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REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
DEHog wrote:So let me get this right we're "blaming" Mark Brunell for taking us to and winning a playoff game right? :wink:

Absolutely. :lol:



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Mursilis wrote:
DEHog wrote:So let me get this right we're "blaming" Mark Brunell for taking us to and winning a playoff game right? :wink:

It's as pointless to say Brunell deserves much of the credit for winning that playoff game as it is to say Brunell deserves much of the blame for losing the playoff game after that.


While Brunell did a fine job overall this year, he also had some very bad days, especially toward the end of the season. 9 for 25 against Philly? 7 for 15 and 41 total yards against Tampa? 3 INTs in Arizona? 14 for 32 against Oakland? Consistency from the QB position would be nice.


I guess dropped passes were his fault too. The bottom line is this; If I told you last year this time that we would go 5-1 in the NFC east, earn a playoff berth, and win a playoff game away you would have jumped for joy. Let's not make this more than it is.
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Brunell also shot Kennedy, J.R., and Tupac according to some of these guys.

I think there is a thread somewhere talking about how Brunell caused the surge in gas prices, the Iraq War, and Global Warming. :lol: :?
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sch1977 wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
DEHog wrote:So let me get this right we're "blaming" Mark Brunell for taking us to and winning a playoff game right? :wink:

Absolutely. :lol:



Damn that guy!! Get him outta here! :roll:


He got us to the playoffs yes, but his numbers at the end of the season were not impressive. Our D also won the last 2 games of the season, Eagles and Bucs. he did not win us the playoff game against the bucs it was all D.
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Brunell couldnt do it in Jacksonville when he was young. He also had a better line than we do now Boselli,Leon Searcy, and two stud recievers Mccardell and Jimmy smith not to mention a stellar running game. Now he is older he did good for us this season but his time has come and gone give the young guys a shot already. He is just holding the team back by wanting to continue to be the starter. In my opinion he may have the most experience but that doesent mean he gives us the best chance to win. I am willing to roll the dice on the young kid Jason Campbell. I am pretty sure thats the direction where going I would just like to see it happen faster than expected. Mark my words I believe Jason Campbell will be our starter next year.
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Brunell was probably the most important piece of turning the washington redskins back into contenders. I was one of the biggest brunell detractors around here. He changed my mind after the Dallas game. When healthy, brunell is one of the better QBs in this league, even at his ripe old age.

The problem is that he is old now, and hasn't and likely won't stay healthy for a whole season ever again. When Mark isn't healthy, he is not a very good QB IMO. He throws the ball away entirely too much, even when he doesn't need to, makes bad throws and then throws dumb, inaccurate passes once forced to try and win the game with his arm. Healthy Brunell and unhealthy Brunell are two entirely different QBs and it's very apparent when he is not healthy. The problem with that is that he still plays even when he's not getting it done.

I think we'd be celebrating another superbowl this year if we had a solid QB. I hope Campbell developes into that guy by the end of next season. I doubt Brunell can stay healthy enough to be that guy for us. We will always have a chance with our coaching staff, but a solid QB almost makes us unbeatable IMHO...

I don't think it's gonna matter though. With the addition of Saunders, I think we are the early superbowl favorites(in my eyes anyway) no matter who is throwing the ball ;-)
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Somebody tell me who is the same QB when their not healthy?? If Campbell "beats out" Brunell fine I can live with that. But realize why a young QB can get you to the playoffs rarely do they succeed their...Manning, Brees, Sims, Grossman,Leftwitch,Pennington I'll give Palmer a pass and the exception my be Big Ben and of course Brady. Conversly look at older QB's who have taken their team to the SB...Gannon, Johnson, Dilfer, Warner, Collins, Young, Elway, Humphries, O'donnell...aside from Young and Elway no one that list is going to the HOF.
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Your right with the healthy and unhealthy thing, no QB will be the same. Brunell played with that anckle problem the last 3 games of the season Phila, Tampa and Seattle and yes, it was apparent that he is not the same when healty. If he was healthy he might of brought us further in the playoffs. The thing is even before he got hurt his production was droping fast and when he did get hurt his production droped to the floor, thank god our D stepped up big-time the last 3 games of the season. It is a fact and a trend that a old player will lose a step or two and that will happen with brunell this comming up season. Maybe you guys don't have patientce but I do, I am so sick and tired of have a so-so QB. I want to build a great mainstay QB that other teams have ie; colts, steelers, pats, eagals, bengals etc..... there are more. I can't remember the last time the Skins drafted a QB and turned him into a stud and keep him for a long time. Cambell has the potential to be that, we though Shuler and Ramsey etc....were those type of QB's and they were not. But, you have to try
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I am patient, that's why I would rather bring Campbell along as the #2 guy this year. Brunell will likely miss action like most QB's and then Campbell will get his feet wet. If he plays tremendously then he will stay in....but if he doesn't then the #1 will take over when he can.

That way you don't throw him into the fire for a team who just went to the Divisional game and has the pressure of being expected to take us to a SuperBowl.

Think about what you are asking for. You can't underestimate intelligence and experience. I want Campbell to be successful, and Gibbs does to.
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Alright, I didn't think it was throwing someone under the bus to point out they played poorly. And if you don't think Brunell, as well as others, played poorly towards the end of the year, then you have different standards than i do...no worries...

yes, the whole team wins games, the whole team loses games...during the bucs game, it just seemed like the defense did a little more than the offense did to win that game...now, you can disagree with that assessment, but we scored 17 pts, 14 of which were either directly or indirectly set up by our defense...

why is that such a big deal to point that out? i give brunell all the credit in the world...he was part of an amazing turnaround...does that mean that we're obligated not to discuss ways in which the team can improve? i mean, ryan clark had a real good year, and ed reed is potentially a free agent--would it be completely out of bounds for a fan on this site to say, hey wouldn't a safety tandem of reed and taylor be unbelievable? even though that situation would never work out, it's just fans commenting on what they think will make the team better...that seems to me to be the point of the forum...

with that said, play campbell, and let's get started on an era of skins dominance...
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