washtimes article

vife · Post by **vife** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:44 pm

there's a washtimes article saying that we should hand the reigns over to jason campbell for next year,

your thoughts?

Hogfather · Post by **Hogfather** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:47 pm

Do you have a link for the article?

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:48 pm

I think we go into camp with Brunell as the starter, and Campbell as the number 2. He will have to play next year when Brunell is hurt or when we have a huge lead..that will give him the NFL game experience.

Then next year give it over to him. I have a hunch that Brunell can't go two straight 16 game seasons so he may be our starter at some point anyway.

SO. CAL. SKIN DUDE · Post by **SO. CAL. SKIN DUDE** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:49 pm

vife wrote:there's a washtimes article saying that we should hand the reigns over to jason campbell for next year,

your thoughts?

huh, why don't we at least wait to training camp, and see if he can even compete with Brunell?

Ramsey's done though.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:57 pm

I think we will have an interesting off-season of speculation and rumors and innuendo at this position.

SO. CAL. SKIN DUDE wrote:..Ramsey's done though.

Sure! That's what we thought about Brunell last year, for lots of different reasons!
Like they say - it aint over till the fat lady sings... :twisted:

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:01 pm

I propose this scenario. Trade Ramsey to the Chiefs for Trent Green.

Trent only has a few good years left, so it makes sense for the Chiefs to try to get something for him. The Jets were one of the teams interested in trading for Ramsey this season, and Herm Edwards has now moved to the Chiefs. Plus with both Vermeil and Saunders gone, they're changing offenses. Better to start with a young QB for the future, then to invest more time in Trent Green.

Green could immediately upgrade the QB position next year, is familiar with the offense and works well with Al Saunders. That keeps the Skins competive for another year or two before giving way to Campbell. And Green seems to be a bit more resilient than Brunell.

AS the Guinness guys say: Brilliant!

skinsRin · Post by **skinsRin** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:13 pm

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:14 pm

Like the Chiefs are so eager to jettison Green. :roll:

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:25 pm

cvillehog wrote:Like the Chiefs are so eager to jettison Green.

Inside the Chiefs FO: "Hmmm, let's see, proven Pro Bowl caliber veteran who knows our offense and is a team leader for a guy who some Redskins fans think the world of and is prone to bad decisions under pressure ... what to do, what to do ... we'd be stupid not to make this trade ... heck, throw in Larry Johnson too!"

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:26 pm

Green is 36 years old. He's not going to play forever. Make sense to get a young quarterback for him now.

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:28 pm

Inside the Chiefs FO: "Hmmm, let's see, proven Pro Bowl caliber veteran who knows our offense and is a team leader for a guy who some Redskins fans think the world of and is prone to bad decisions under pressure ... what to do, what to do ... we'd be stupid not to make this trade ... heck, throw in Larry Johnson too!"

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It's not their offense anymore, they've changed coaching staffs. And the current KC staff (formerly the Jets) seemed to think pretty highly of Ramsey.

Hey, I'm not saying this is going to happen, but it would make sense for both teams.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:30 pm

Skeletor wrote:Green is 36 years old. He's not going to play forever. Make sense to get a young quarterback for him now.

Not really. It makes since to get a young QB to learn behind him and take over, but you don't trade a guy like that for an unproven kid.

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:34 pm

In a year, they won't be able to get anything for Green.

And the NFL is full of examples of teams that jettisoned an aging star QB for a young guy (see Montana, Brunell, Bledsoe)

Ah well, when it happens you can all point to my genius...

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:38 pm

Skeletor wrote:In a year, they won't be able to get anything for Green.

And the NFL is full of examples of teams that jettisoned an aging star QB for a young guy (see Montana, Brunell, Bledsoe)

Ah well, when it happens you can all point to my genius...

Those young guys were already on their team. Jacksonville didn't trade Brunell for Leftwich. New England didn't trade Bledsoe for Brady. San Fransico didn't trade Montana for Young. Kansas City will not trade Green for an unproven (some would say disproven) player.

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:45 pm

The point being, all of those guys weren't proven. Leftwich had a handful of starts under his belt. And Young was somewhat of a wash-out with Tampa Bay. And Losman had one start before they traded away Bledsoe. (Brady had won the Super Bowl for the Pats, so I don't think that's a good example.) Ramsey has what 20 starts and was coveted by Herm Edwards this year.

In a year, Green will retire and the Chiefs will get nothing for him.

dougrm3 · Post by **dougrm3** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:47 pm

vife Hog,
Just saw the article:

Offense must keep improving
By Ryan O'Halloran

1. Hand Jason Campbell the keys — It won't happen, but why not? The Redskins went 10-6 in the regular season. Does anybody really expect a marked improvement — or even the status quo — with a 36-year old Mark Brunell at quarterback?
Gibbs said Monday he was confident Campbell would have played well this season had he been forced into the lineup. The Redskins should follow Cincinnati's example of two years ago when Carson Palmer sat his rookie season before the coaches handed him the job.
Campbell is the Redskins' future. The team should take a step back in 2006 so it can take a bigger step forward in 2007. The Redskins' best skill players — Moss (27 at the start of next season), Portis (25) and Cool

ey (24) — are young enough to afford a building season under Campbell, even if it means going 7-9 or 8-8 next season.

Here is the lnk:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/2 ... -8518r.htm

gspdark1 · Post by **gspdark1** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:55 pm

THis was actually a pretty good article compared to the Times' usual 'Skins drivel. Most of the points are obvious. The only thing I don't agree with is giving Campbell the keys outright next season.

AZHog · Post by **AZHog** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:59 pm

cvillehog wrote:Kansas City will not trade Green for an unproven (some would say disproven) player.

I'd definately go with Ramsey being disproven. This entire thought process is ludicrous -- Trent Green is pretty darn good for his age. I don't see Herm letting him go, especially not for flippin Ramsey.

roybus14 · Post by **roybus14** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:02 pm

"Campbell is the Redskins' future. The team should take a step back in 2006 so it can take a bigger step forward in 2007. The Redskins' best skill players — Moss (27 at the start of next season), Portis (25) and Cool

ey (24) — are young enough to afford a building season under Campbell, even if it means going 7-9 or 8-8 next season."

We are too close to take a step back. If Saunders can get this offense out of the gate and we get some early and easy blowout games where the score is 35-7 at the start of the 4th quarter, then we use that time to ease Campbell in.

If we don't start the season with Campbell as the starter, we have to do it that way to get him "live" reps.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:07 pm

AZHog wrote:
cvillehog wrote:Kansas City will not trade Green for an unproven (some would say disproven) player.

I'd definately go with Ramsey being disproven. This entire thought process is ludicrous -- Trent Green is pretty darn good for his age. I don't see Herm letting him go, especially not for flippin Ramsey.

That trade is ridiculous. Ramsey won't fetch more than a mid round pick. Nobody would trade Green for Ramsey straight up.

Herm Edwards definitely will not. He has had enough bad luck with his QB's and Pennington was from the MAC just like Ramsey.

Edwards has been through like 5 QBs in the past 2 years, no way he trades Green.

They have a draft and free agency to accomplish what this poster is proposing

AZHog · Post by **AZHog** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:12 pm

The Hogster wrote:
AZHog wrote:
cvillehog wrote:Kansas City will not trade Green for an unproven (some would say disproven) player.

I'd definately go with Ramsey being disproven. This entire thought process is ludicrous -- Trent Green is pretty darn good for his age. I don't see Herm letting him go, especially not for flippin Ramsey.

That trade is ridiculous. Ramsey won't fetch more than a mid round pick. Nobody would trade Green for Ramsey straight up.

Herm Edwards definitely will not. He has had enough bad luck with his QB's and Pennington was from the MAC just like Ramsey.

Edwards has been through like 5 QBs in the past 2 years, no way he trades Green.

They have a draft and free agency to accomplish what this poster is proposing

...That was all kind of my point...did I miss something? :wink:

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:58 pm

nah, im just agreeing with you.

redskins56 · Post by **redskins56** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:40 pm

I love Sir. Patrick, but that makes no sense. The Chiefs doing that would be like the Jets giving up Santana Moss straight up for Laveranues Coles... it would be stupid and it'll never happen!!!

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:26 am

redskins56 wrote:I love Sir. Patrick, but that makes no sense. The Chiefs doing that would be like the Jets giving up Santana Moss straight up for Laveranues Coles... it would be stupid and it'll never happen!!!

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:57 pm

Trent Green is old. We already have Brunell,Campbell and Ramsey.

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