Skins and a 1st Rounder

redskingush · Post by **redskingush** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:05 am

In Joe press confrence on Monday he was asked about tradeing for a 1st round pick in the draft and said they didn't plan on it last year, so Who knows, I think they are looking into it anybody else?

thaiphoon · Post by **thaiphoon** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:08 am

Problem is...what do we give up to get someone's 1rst rounder ?

I don't think we have the ammunition to swing a trade unless some GM gets crazy and gives us a 1rst rounder for Ramsey

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:21 am

Well, I forgot who thought of this theory orginally, but I kind of liked it...

Check it out, we could always Trade next years First roudner for a 2006 First Rounder, and just keep up with that trend for the rest of time.

However if Coach Gibbs doesn't want to do that, I think we will do alright without a first rounder this year. Plus, they cost to much $$$$.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:39 am

Do we have the cap space to fool around with signing a first rounder?

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:58 am

cvillehog wrote:Do we have the cap space to fool around with signing a first rounder?

So maybe it'll work out that we dont sign an overpriced rookie this year. It'll help us retain some money. It'll force our scouts to find gems and stop wasting picks like we have been. Wasting picks? Yes. Nemo, White and that other guy have done nothing for the team for various reasons. We need to find gems late in the draft for cheap, thats what the good teams do.

skinsRin · Post by **skinsRin** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:28 am

thaiphoon wrote:Problem is...what do we give up to get someone's 1rst rounder ?

I don't think we have the ammunition to swing a trade unless some GM gets crazy and gives us a 1rst rounder for Ramsey

Yup! I wish it would happen but I don't see someone giving us their 1st round pick on Ramsey, Second maybe.

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:50 pm

air_hog wrote:Well, I forgot who thought of this theory orginally, but I kind of liked it...

Check it out, we could always Trade next years First roudner for a 2006 First Rounder, and just keep up with that trend for the rest of time.

However if Coach Gibbs doesn't want to do that, I think we will do alright without a first rounder this year. Plus, they cost to much $$$$.

the only problem with that is that this year's first round pick is worth more than next year's, so you'd end up giving away next year's first and third round picks, or somethign like that. in the long term, you end up losing more picks than you gain, and it's a losing proposition.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:36 pm

Besides, everyone in the league knows that the 'Skins pick next year is the 32nd...

Redskins1974 · Post by **Redskins1974** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:29 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
cvillehog wrote:Do we have the cap space to fool around with signing a first rounder?

So maybe it'll work out that we dont sign an overpriced rookie this year. It'll help us retain some money. It'll force our scouts to find gems and stop wasting picks like we have been. Wasting picks? Yes. Nemo, White and that other guy have done nothing for the team for various reasons. We need to find gems late in the draft for cheap, thats what the good teams do.

How can you say we wasted late round picks on guys like Nemo? Late round picks aren't supposed to produce right away. They usually need some grooming to develop into a gem. You can look beyond one draft back and make that argument but give these guys some time.

That said, I do agree that finding gems in later rounds is a priority.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:59 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
cvillehog wrote:Do we have the cap space to fool around with signing a first rounder?

So maybe it'll work out that we dont sign an overpriced rookie this year. It'll help us retain some money. It'll force our scouts to find gems and stop wasting picks like we have been. Wasting picks? Yes. Nemo, White and that other guy have done nothing for the team for various reasons. We need to find gems late in the draft for cheap, thats what the good teams do.

Both of these quote are incorrect IMO, so I thought I'd address them both in the same post.

First off, signing a first rounder would be too expensive? Not at all... especially if it's not a top 10 pick overall. The fact that the league MANDATES the amount of money that you can spend on rookie contracts with the rookie pool also means that the dollar amounts are nearly exactly the same as the year before's as they always work from 5% of the team's cap number. Our rookie allocation number for 2005 was less than 5 million dollars in 2005 cap to sign all picks... and we managed with TWO first round picks.

Second is to clear up the misconception about late round picks. Sorry brother CLL but what on earth are you talking about?

Guys who get drafted on the second DAY don't usually make football teams... let alone guys who get drafted in the last round.

How can you judge Manuel White when he was on the injured reserve list since training camp? Who knows what he will look like now that he's had time to learn his new position of h-back... it was all very new for him for the month that he was playing, but even still, I think it's a little early to be calling him a draft bust... and as a 4th rounder, if he ever even provides depth then he's a success.

McCune hung around all year and played some special teams as well, whether you see it that way or not... that's a good return from a 5th round pick.

Broughton did the same. It's even more astounding from a 7th round pick. Do you honestly think that there are a ton of 7th round picks making everyday contributuions in he NFL??

If NONE of the above ever make another contribution to the Redskins then maybe you can call them busts, but to do so after just one season and one where two of the three contributed is just silly IMO.

Jared Newberry was our 6th round pick and the only one who didn't make the team... but if someone was willing to take the time to look it up, I'd guess that less than 1/2 of last year's 6th round picks did.

I think that we had a good draft haul last year... 6 picks... 5 guys made the team. I think most GM's would tell you that they'd be thrilled to draft with a 80%+ degree of accuracy of making the squad.

My 2 cents

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:49 pm

I never reffered to them as busts. I was moreso saying how I feel we haven't utilized our draft picks properly in the past. I look at other teams and when a player goes down they seem to have young guys who have been coached up who can step up and play well for the team.

I just wanted to see those players that we drafted who could contribute be put into the game more. I think Nemo could have been a decent contributor. Was White actually hurt or was that some kind of scheme? I know putting McCune in too early could have been a problem...

I was moreso just reffering to past.

I was wrong about my 1st statement tho.

redskingush · Post by **redskingush** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:16 am

Is this draft considered a deep draft or is next shaping up to pe better, that could make the 1st round decision easier for the club.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:02 am

Was White actually hurt or was that some kind of scheme?

Are you crazy...Yes,Joey Porter, its a conspiracy.

I know the guy who lives next door to him growing up. He's said that Manny White is in the best shape of his life. He said that he has been working with the trainers and could have returned but has just taken the time to study and get to know the playbook inside and out. This guys a player and you will see he is going to be a big time contributer for us next season.

As far as draft stradagy, I wish we would have gone after a WR but I think we will have more of a focus with that this year.

I know we've talked about offensive line depth but what happened to Mark Wilson and Jim Molinaro.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:40 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I never reffered to them as busts. I was moreso saying how I feel we haven't utilized our draft picks properly in the past. I look at other teams and when a player goes down they seem to have young guys who have been coached up who can step up and play well for the team.

Well they may be young, but that certainly doesn't mean that they all come from the back end of the draft -- most of them don't.

And just out of curiosity... last year (2004 season) Gregg Williams finished the season with THREE of the eleven defensive starters NOT injured. He used 8 replacements - replacements like Ryan Clark, Pat Dennis, Garnell Wilds, Rufus Brown and Demetric Evans - all YOUNG guys -- all guys that had been in the legue three years or less at the time.

I just wanted to see those players that we drafted who could contribute be put into the game more. I think Nemo could have been a decent contributor.

... I still think he can be. But with Ladell Betts and Rock Cartwright on the 2005 roster as well, you'd have likely had to dump one of them to create a roster spot for Nemo.

Was White actually hurt or was that some kind of scheme?

Who knows? If it WAS a scheme, then obviously the TEAM thought he was worth paying for on IR, rather than just releasing him for anyone to pick up.

I know putting McCune in too early could have been a problem...

... was and is a project. And with the number of linebacker alignments that GW uses, I'm sure that he'll see a lot more action on probable running plays next year if he continues to progress. And if he does... that's a hugely successful 5th round pick.

My 2 cents

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:34 pm

I wonder if we can trade Pat Ramsey and our 2nd round pick for a 1st round pick...may be miami, ny jets, cleveland, baltimore......

thaiphoon · Post by **thaiphoon** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:18 pm

Nah - I say we keep the 2nd rounder and trade Ramsey for a 3rd. Having a 2nd and (2) 3rds is a good way to go as well.

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:54 pm

thaiphoon wrote:Nah - I say we keep the 2nd rounder and trade Ramsey for a 3rd. Having a 2nd and (2) 3rds is a good way to go as well.

I agree, I'd rather have that too.

skinsRin · Post by **skinsRin** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:32 am

Regadless, just trade Ramsey. He is a good guy but he will never start for the Skins again. We could trade him for a position player aswell.

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:39 am

skinsRin wrote:Regadless, just trade Ramsey. He is a good guy but he will never start for the Skins again. We could trade him for a position player aswell.

Schroeder for Lachey comes to mind. ;-)

sch1977 · Post by **sch1977** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:13 pm

JansenFan wrote:
skinsRin wrote:Regadless, just trade Ramsey. He is a good guy but he will never start for the Skins again. We could trade him for a position player aswell.

Schroeder for Lachey comes to mind.

Excellent trade!

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:13 am

sch1977 wrote:
JansenFan wrote:
skinsRin wrote:Regadless, just trade Ramsey. He is a good guy but he will never start for the Skins again. We could trade him for a position player aswell.

Schroeder for Lachey comes to mind.

Excellent trade!

Yeah that or Jamie Morris for Ernest Byner. Both were thievery.