QB for 2006

Amberion · Post by **Amberion** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:32 am

I say we start with Campbell and save Mark for the second half of the season

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:18 am

Umm, didn't most of think this befoer the year started?

Yea and how did he finish off the season??

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:58 am

the only real discussion is which of the young QBs should we go with next year. brunell should not even be considered, it's mind-boggling that anywould would do so.

brunell did well enough this year to get us into the playoffs and our best record in a long long time. great, i'm thrilled, and will wear my redskins shirts proudly through the offseason. but the clear, inarguable message is:

THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS WITH BRUNELL.

as skinzcanes said, we will never be a legit SuperBowl contender with brunell. THAT is the goal- you must be continually striving to improve. no significant improvement is possible with brunell.

if we start one of the younger guys, maybe he'll suck and we'll regress. oh well. you HAVE to take that chance-- no risk, no reward. complacency is unacceptable.

personally, i feel we could have been at least as good, maybe even better if we'd just stuck with ramsey all year. those of you who make him out to be a terrible QB are living in fantasy worlds totally disconnected from reality. he did a very nice job last year after taking over for brunell. and now after his 2nd year learning under gibbs, it's impossible to believe he won't be even better.

it should be ramsey's job to lose next year. brunell has proven his limitations. campbell has literally no NFL experience. ramsey is the only one with the combination of experience and "upside"/potential.

if ramsey looks awful, we should go with campbell. must strive to improve. brunell is not good enough, and that is a fact.[/b]

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:05 am

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the only real discussion is which of the young QBs should we go with next year. brunell should not even be considered, it's mind-boggling that anywould would do so.

brunell did well enough this year to get us into the playoffs and our best record in a long long time. great, i'm thrilled, and will wear my redskins shirts proudly through the offseason. but the clear, inarguable message is:

THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS WITH BRUNELL.

as skinzcanes said, we will never be a legit SuperBowl contender with brunell. THAT is the goal- you must be continually striving to improve. no significant improvement is possible with brunell.

if we start one of the younger guys, maybe he'll suck and we'll regress. oh well. you HAVE to take that chance-- no risk, no reward. complacency is unacceptable.

personally, i feel we could have been at least as good, maybe even better if we'd just stuck with ramsey all year. those of you who make him out to be a terrible QB are living in fantasy worlds totally disconnected from reality. he did a very nice job last year after taking over for brunell. and now after his 2nd year learning under gibbs, it's impossible to believe he won't be even better.

it should be ramsey's job to lose next year. brunell has proven his limitations. campbell has literally no NFL experience. ramsey is the only one with the combination of experience and "upside"/potential.

if ramsey looks awful, we should go with campbell. must strive to improve. brunell is not good enough, and that is a fact.[/b]

couldn't agree more

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:10 am

SkinzCanes wrote:couldn't agree more

as i couldn't have agreed more with almost all of your thoughts on this issue. as i read your posts, there were like 20 seperate points i was dying to come on here and make but you layed them all out perfectly.

i think i will cry if brunell is named the starter again next year! :lol:

DesertSkin · Post by **DesertSkin** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:39 am

Even if we'd won it all, I'd still be in favor of going with either Ramsey or Campbell. With Brunell, we're looking at maintaining what we did this year offensively, at best. To improve, you've got to get a strong arm on the field. I feel like we're playing not to lose with Brunell (over a whole season). I want to play to win.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:51 am

I thought that Brunell started the season well but faded in the end. To me, he looked scared to throw the ball in the past few games. I think his age is catching up with him.

Let me throw this into the mix.

Even though we had a great and unexpected season, all year long I have been anxious for the 2006 season. Here's why. I live in Florida and high school and college football are as popular here, if not more than pro ball. In the offseason, the local cable sports networks replay the prior seasons games from the SEC. After we drafted Jason Campbell, I decided to TIVO all of the Auburn games so I could specifacally watch Campbell. I was very impressed. Yes, Cadilac Williams and Ronnie Brown had a lot to due with their undefeated season. But when Campbell dropped back to pass, this was all him. In every game, all you heard from the booth were comments like "Wow, what a throw" or "Can you believe he made that throw" or "What a strong and accuate throw by Campbell." I'm not exaggerating, he was very impressive.

I don't know what will happen with the QB situation, but I can't wait to see what Jason can do. I remember Portis saying earlier in the season that he was impressed with Jason. HAIL!

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:16 am

Well, having seen Dilfer win a Superbowl, I'll believe that any qb can win one.

Honestly, I think Brunell will be the starter at the beginning of the season. Would I prefer a young, dynamic playmaker with big upside? Yes, but I'm not the greatest coach in the history of the NFL, so I'll defer to Joe on this one.

John Kitna would be a decent interim solution for us, but Palmer's injury makes it likely the Bengals will do everything to keep him. Bringing in a new starter from outside would probably also mean cutting Brunell, and Ramsey would also leave - no way would he allow himself to be overlooked in favour of another import. If Brunell agreed to a major contract restructuring (and why would he?), then maybe we could afford somebody else to start, but I doubt it.

I doubt that Joe will go with Campbell yet. It would be different if the rest of the offence was the finished article, where we could just plug somebody in, but there is still work to be done to bring the offence up to speed. When that is done, I see Campbell getting his chance.

ii7-V7 · Post by **ii7-V7** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:25 am

die cowboys die wrote:the only real discussion is which of the young QBs should we go with next year. brunell should not even be considered, it's mind-boggling that anywould would do so.

brunell did well enough this year to get us into the playoffs and our best record in a long long time. great, i'm thrilled, and will wear my redskins shirts proudly through the offseason. but the clear, inarguable message is:

THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS WITH BRUNELL.

as skinzcanes said, we will never be a legit SuperBowl contender with brunell. THAT is the goal- you must be continually striving to improve. no significant improvement is possible with brunell.

if we start one of the younger guys, maybe he'll suck and we'll regress. oh well. you HAVE to take that chance-- no risk, no reward. complacency is unacceptable.

personally, i feel we could have been at least as good, maybe even better if we'd just stuck with ramsey all year. those of you who make him out to be a terrible QB are living in fantasy worlds totally disconnected from reality. he did a very nice job last year after taking over for brunell. and now after his 2nd year learning under gibbs, it's impossible to believe he won't be even better.

it should be ramsey's job to lose next year. brunell has proven his limitations. campbell has literally no NFL experience. ramsey is the only one with the combination of experience and "upside"/potential.

if ramsey looks awful, we should go with campbell. must strive to improve. brunell is not good enough, and that is a fact.[/b]

I'd love to see you have this discussion with Joe!

spenser · Post by **spenser** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:39 am

Mark Gave us a great year, but his arm strength is disturbing to me. I think that Ramsey, now with over a year of learning and watching the offense, could do well. Hopefullly he has learned the importance of turnovers and to just throw it away in a bad situation. I wouldnt mind seeing Ramsey or Campbell in there. It sucks because we are close and with a young QB we could regress. But we drafted him to be our QB, hes sat and learned and watched for a year... Mabye we need to see what he can do.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:48 am

I would be very surprised if Gibbs does not bring Brunell back to be the starting QB and provide the character leadership at that position.

I think that Gibbs will continue to play those players that suit his idea of a team and I am sure that will not please a lot of our fans here at THN because they want to win now and with the best talent available. That is not Gibbs way and I do not think he is going to change.

Looking forward to the offseason and the changes that are going to come. I also think #8 is at the QB position, at least to begin with.

skinpride1 · Post by **skinpride1** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:04 pm

We are going to see one more year from brunell!!The sad part is we better have a good back up Q.B. waiting because brunell can go down with leg trouble at any time.I think he will never be the same brunell that was a jaq!I think gibbs is getting what he needs from him setting an example to others and showing what "smart" football can get you!!!

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:08 pm

Also, please let me add that we gave up a lot for Jason Campbell. Lets see what the kid can do. No risk, no reward. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. :!:

redskins-28 · Post by **redskins-28** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:23 pm

die cowboys die wrote:the only real discussion is which of the young QBs should we go with next year. brunell should not even be considered, it's mind-boggling that anywould would do so.

brunell did well enough this year to get us into the playoffs and our best record in a long long time. great, i'm thrilled, and will wear my redskins shirts proudly through the offseason. but the clear, inarguable message is:

THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS WITH BRUNELL.

as skinzcanes said, we will never be a legit SuperBowl contender with brunell. THAT is the goal- you must be continually striving to improve. no significant improvement is possible with brunell.

if we start one of the younger guys, maybe he'll suck and we'll regress. oh well. you HAVE to take that chance-- no risk, no reward. complacency is unacceptable.

personally, i feel we could have been at least as good, maybe even better if we'd just stuck with ramsey all year. those of you who make him out to be a terrible QB are living in fantasy worlds totally disconnected from reality. he did a very nice job last year after taking over for brunell. and now after his 2nd year learning under gibbs, it's impossible to believe he won't be even better.

it should be ramsey's job to lose next year. brunell has proven his limitations. campbell has literally no NFL experience. ramsey is the only one with the combination of experience and "upside"/potential.

if ramsey looks awful, we should go with campbell. must strive to improve. brunell is not good enough, and that is a fact.[/b]

As others have said..... I agree. Brunell is a great person and a good QB, he used to be great but he's past his prime and his age showed at the end of the season. I'm about Brunells age and I know I can't still do the things I could do when I was 25. I just hope Gibbs realizes this, we all know he's the best, smartest coach in the NFL so I think he sees this. I agree with sticking with him this season, a QB and his offense need to be consistent and work together all the time to get that efficiency. There is nothing I hate more than a QB shuffle, pick a guy and stick with him, any QB will have growing pains and has to learn, benching him over mistakes only kills his confidence.

My opinion, Gibbs needs to make a decision between Ramsey and Campbell and stick with him. I will support whomever Gibbs chooses because I am a fan and support the Redskins no matter what, even if he picks Brunell.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:55 pm

I have a rational outlook on this situation. I was one of those guys that said that Brunnell gave us the best chance to win and I think that he did.

However, just like Mark Rypien was benched and taught a lesson about the game and turning the ball over, I think that Ramsey may be a better quarterback after sitting for a year and watching how important managing a game is in the NFL.

I am not saying that Ramsey is better than Brunell, but realistically speaking, Brunell is getting old and we have a lot invested in our backups..I just don't see where else we could go with Brunell. He seemed to break down over the long season, and next year he will be a year older.

Ramsey could be alot like Rypien and take us to the Superbowl or Campbell may get a shot. Ramsey may also be traded and we may need another veteran to come in as a backup or even starter.

I don't know if Gibbs would give Campbell a shot yet.

ryanw7196 · Post by **ryanw7196** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:25 pm

Honestly after thinking about it, I do not think Campbell would be a regression. Again, the Steelers last year went with the rookie and he fit right in, not because he was some great enigma of a qb, but he didnt have to do much.

The Steelers have a good run game, they dont throw that much unless its necessary, and its the perfect environment for a young qb to grow on the field and win some games in the process. I think we have an offense and the type of playcalling that can pick up the slack for Jason and help him fit right in. I just hope that Joe sees what is necessary because as long as Brunell is under center we will be just shy of the big one.

I dont dislike Brunell, he did enough for us to have our best season in a long time, and who knows how much the loss of patten hurt us, I mean there WAS a reason we got him, but still what i saw at the end of the season were alot of off mark passes and lobs that were all on the qb. We have to go into a season realizing that Brunell (even though we dont want him to) WILL get injured, some of the hits that young guys can handle are just things that brunell has had enough of throughout his career and will easily take him down and brunell is a guy with alot of pride who will go out and play with an injury even though it will hurt our offense, and gibbs will let him.

I saw nothing bad out of Ramsey in the giants game, the passes may have been slightly off target but we have a good enough wideout that can make up for that, moss caught everything ramsey threw to him for a long td so im not sure how much of the decision to stick with brunell was just to stick with his guy, or what was best for the team, but i think if we had a qb out there who wasnt throwing lobs (didnt see any arm strength even on his completions) out there then we may have won yesterday. Guess we'll just have to see what Gibbs does...

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:27 pm

Even though we had a great and unexpected season, all year long I have been anxious for the 2006 season. Here's why. I live in Florida and high school and college football are as popular here, if not more than pro ball. In the offseason, the local cable sports networks replay the prior seasons games from the SEC. After we drafted Jason Campbell, I decided to TIVO all of the Auburn games so I could specifacally watch Campbell. I was very impressed. Yes, Cadilac Williams and Ronnie Brown had a lot to due with their undefeated season. But when Campbell dropped back to pass, this was all him. In every game, all you heard from the booth were comments like "Wow, what a throw" or "Can you believe he made that throw" or "What a strong and accuate throw by Campbell." I'm not exaggerating, he was very impressive.

That's a very interesting post. I have been pretty skeptical of Campbell because he only had one good year in college and he had Cadillac and Ronny Brown in the backfield. I only watched a few Auburn games that year and I moslty remember the running of Brown/Cadillac and not the throwing of Campbell. When you were watching the games what were your impressions of Campbell's arm strength and mobility. Also how was he on deep throws??

ryanw7196 · Post by **ryanw7196** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:34 pm

Also, anyone think moreso now than earlier in the season that Ramsey really was not given a good audition. He was leveled on an illegal hit in the first game of the year and we WERE playing what turned out to be one of the best, if not the best defense in the nfl and we based him on that game. Even brunell struggled a bit in that game, i just dont think Ramsey has ever really gotten much of a shot under Gibbs, but then again who knows.

I think 2 things might have come if we had stuck with Patrick, either we would be talking about our trip to the NFC championship game as a higher seed, or we wouldve been talking about why we didnt start Mark all year a few weeks ago because we didnt make the playoffs, dont think there wouldve been a middle ground there

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:38 pm

Unless Mark's arm falls off, he should be the QB next year.

This was Patricks year, and yes he got cheated out of his spot, but when Brunell took it, he never looked back.

I mean come on guys, we made it to the playoffs, and won a game!

Sadly, I feel Patricks future as a Skin is over. Brunell is now and Campbell is the future. Ramsey's just the odd man out.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:42 pm

I mean come on guys, we made it to the playoffs, and won a game!

Just because we won one playoff game doesn't mean that the team doesn't need to improve and I don't see how that is going to happen with noodle-arm Brunell at qb, even with a good #2 receiver. The point is to win a Super Bowl and that will never happen with Brunell. Brunell was good for we needed from him this season but if we want to go any further it has to be without #8.

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:58 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:
I mean come on guys, we made it to the playoffs, and won a game!

Just because we won one playoff game doesn't mean that the team doesn't need to improve and I don't see how that is going to happen with noodle-arm Brunell at qb, even with a good #2 receiver. The point is to win a Super Bowl and that will never happen with Brunell. Brunell was good for we needed from him this season but if we want to go any further it has to be without #8.

Patrick may have a stronger arm, but that's it.

Patrick is very one dimensional. Example, take yesterday. The whole day the pocket was collapsing around Brunell within split seconds after the snap. But with Brunell, he can move around outside of the pocket to escape the pressure (and I believe he was only sacked 1 or 2 times)

However Ramsey does not have a good feel of the pocket and if you looked at last year, he gets sacked way to much. So yesterday, he probably would have been sacked like 5-7 times.

Plus, Brunell is just clutch. On those two 4th Down plays at the end of the game, he put the passes is perfect position (only to have Boulware knock it out of #89's hands at the end).

Ramsey is just to sparadic to play in a Joe Gibbs offense. See, I'm actually learning the system now.

Before I was like a lot of other young guys who had never experienced the 1st Gibbs Era, so when we played very conservative and ran the ball all the time, I too was frustrated. I wanted Patrick in their because he could throw the deep ball and every once in a while he could throw the big TD Pass.

But slowly I've realized that that is not what this offense is about. Joe Gibbs offense is about possesion and smart play. And that's what we get with Brunell. He can roll out of the pocket and makes plays by himself, or if he has nothing, he will be a smart QB and just toss it out of bounds.

So while Patrick Ramsey is a good QB and has the talent to play in the NFL, he does not match the role of a Joe Gibbs QB.

owa · Post by **owa** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:13 pm

I think Brunell should start and probably will start.

I don't think Ramsey will be here. I think he should go to a team where he gets a shot to be a starter. I think we should try to pick up a veteran backup to replace him.

Also, if Brunell does start and gets hurt, I think he should be benched until he has healed. He's not nearly as effective when hurt.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:38 pm

I think Brunell did well enough statistically to keep his job, but here is the problem.

He is 35 years old and will be a year older and beaten up for an extra year come playoff time next season.

I think he gives us the best chance, but Gibbs will be in year 3 of a 5 year contract that I think he will honor. Also, Brunell will not be the guy when he is 38 years old. So between this year, next year and the year after, another QB will take over....so the question is who and when?

I personally like Brunell, but if we are going to go with one of our young 1st round picks, then we probably should act sooner than later, to position the team to get a Superbowl victory before Gibbs' tenure is over.

Its a tough situation.

ii7-V7 · Post by **ii7-V7** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:27 pm

Well, Brunell is coming back...like it or not....and he will start next year. I'm also thinking that Gibbs will keep Ramsey on next year. Otherwise we will have to get another QB.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:33 pm

Well, Brunell is coming back...like it or not....and he will start next year. I'm also thinking that Gibbs will keep Ramsey on next year. Otherwise we will have to get another QB.

If Ramsey doesnt start he wont be back. His agent will force a trade. No way he agrees to just sit on the bench for another season.

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