QB for 2006

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:28 pm

Okay, folks, we had a solid campaign this year with Mark Brunell at the helm.

So, now I want you to look deep into your souls and tell me........

Who do you think will be leading this team as QB beginning next year?

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:31 pm

I think Joe seledcts Mark to start for this team. However,from Mark's interview with JFK tonight, it didn't sound like he was ready to fade into the retirement. Personally, I wanna root for numero ocho one more year.

ONE MORE yEAR!

ONE MORE YEAR!

ONE MORE YEAR!

everyone....

ONE MORE YEAR!!!

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:38 pm

I have no idea, but Brunell needs to be better in the end of the season...this was not good at all.

gregory smith · Post by **gregory smith** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:38 pm

I think Mark will be the opening day starter, and with an upgrade to the receiving corps, he is capable of another deep run into the post season. Can he stay healthy? Probably not, then the Campbell era begins. Brunell will start opening day.

ryanw7196 · Post by **ryanw7196** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:15 pm

I will have to say when he is healthy Mark gives us the best chance to win. Jason isnt ready and we cant hand the job over to some free agent who has to learn the offense in a matter of months.

I hope Mark will work hard in the off season and keep his body in the best possible shape it can be. BUT, although at the beginning of the year i think Mark can get us off to a hot start, I do not think that Gibbs should stick with him if he is injured because we all know how our offense turned this year at the end of the season and played most of last year due to Brunells injury, seems like it comes to a screeching halt.

Who knows, this may be the thing that throws Jason into the fray, I think we have the type of offense that a young qb can be thrown in and be a productive and winning qb (kind of like the steelers) although it may hurt us if we make it to the post season I think Mark starts and Jason finishes..

Hope we can come back to this prediction when were the #1 seed going in the playoffs next year and see if im right. If thats the qb situation we might be kind of like the Steelers of last year, just hope we make it further in the post season than that team did if its so. :twisted:

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:19 pm

No way Brunell is the starting qb next year. I think that Ramsey gets traded, Brunell stays the backup, and we bring in another qb to start for a year or two until Campbell is ready. Brunell simply doesnt have what it takes anymore to make us legitimate Super Bowl contenders. For starters his age/health is a huge problem. Brunell is only effective when he is at 100% and it's impossible for a qb in the NFL to stay healthy for an entire season. And when Brunell isn't healhty he is TERRIBLE. He basically looked like a rookie the last 3 weeks. His decision making was also rookie-like at times this year (late pick against Seattle, taking sacks to end the Tampa Bay and Oakland games, multiple picks inside the red zone against Arizona, pick 6 against the Giants, late pick against Tampa last week).

His health also goes hand-in-hand with his arm strength. At this point when he is healthy his arm strength is below average. When he is injured his arm strength is at the Danny Wuerffel level. Just look at today's game....he almost got Jacobs, Moss, Portis, and Betts killed with some of his throws.

More importantly, however, his lack of arm strength seriously affects the offensive playcalling and this is the main reason why I think that Brunell has to go. Have any of you ever seen a team that throws the ball accross the middle less often than we do?? The reason for that is Brunell's inability to make those throws. He just doesn't have enough zip on the ball to safely make those throws. For example, take that TD that Ramsey threw to Moss during the Giants game. We never would've run that route with Brunell because there is no way that can complete that type of pass. Sure we need help at receiver but even getting another solid receiver isn't going to be enough if we can't use a large portion of the field when we are on offense.

Brunell also seems to be afraid of contact. That has been a constant throughout the season and it results in a lot of open receivers not getting the ball. Brunell looks very jumpy in the pocket and he hardly ever looks to his third option during a passing play. Usually he looks at Moss, Cool

ey, and then throws the ball away. If Moss is being doubel or triple covered and Cool

ey is also covered that means that there are open receivers elsewhere. I've noticed on many occasions that our running backs are open in pass routes but instead of staying in under pressure and dumping the ball off Brunell just chucks it out of bounds.

The poll asked for other possible qb's that we could bring in. I would love to see a guy like John Kitna, for example, as our qb for a year or two. He is a smart qb with very good arm strength and I think that he could flourish in our system with some coaching from Joe. Gibbs doesn't seem to have any confidence in Ramsey and I think that he will be on another team next season, Campbell probably needs another year or two on the sidelines, so under that scenario that leaves either Brunell or a new outside qb.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:27 pm

Whoever has the best showing in camp.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:31 pm

Additional reasons why I don't think that Brunell should be out qb next year: In his last 9 games Brunell only had one game in which he threw for over 200 yards. Just look at his stats during the six most important games of the season.

St. Louis
14-21 156 yards, 1 td, 0 int, 1 fumble, 104.5 qb rating

Arizona
18-28, 122 yards, 0 tds, 3 ints, 2 fumbles, 34.2 qb rating

Dallas
12-20, 163 yards, 4 tds, 0 ints, 125.6 qb rating

New York
7-11, 112 yards, 2td, 1 int, 99.2 qb rating

Philadelphia
9-25, 141 yards, 1 td, 1 int, 52.3 qb rating

Tampa Bay
7-15, 141 yards, 0 tds, 1 int, 25.7 qb rating

Seattle
22-38, 242, 1 td, 0 int

So during our playoff run Brunell only had one truely outstanding game (Dallas) and in that game he threw the 4 easiest td's that I've ever seen plus the D gave him a short field the entire game. The rest of the time he was unpredictable and inconsistent and no team can be effective when the qb is producing results like those. And injury is not an excuse because all qbs are banged up at this time in the season. If you guys think that Brunell is somehow going to stay healthy all season and stay prodcutive throughout the entire year and in the playoffs if we get there, then you are living in a pure fantasy world.

SkinsFanInHawai'i · Post by **SkinsFanInHawai'i** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:32 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:No way Brunell is the starting qb next year. I think that Ramsey gets traded, Brunell stays the backup, and we bring in another qb to start for a year or two until Campbell is ready. Brunell simply doesnt have what it takes anymore to make us legitimate Super Bowl contenders. For starters his age/health is a huge problem. Brunell is only effective when he is at 100% and it's impossible for a qb in the NFL to stay healthy for an entire season. And when Brunell isn't healhty he is TERRIBLE. He basically looked like a rookie the last 3 weeks. His decision making was also rookie-like at times this year (late pick against Seattle, taking sacks to end the Tampa Bay and Oakland games, multiple picks inside the red zone against Arizona, pick 6 against the Giants, late pick against Tampa last week).

His health also goes hand-in-hand with his arm strength. At this point when he is healthy his arm strength is below average. When he is injured his arm strength is at the Danny Wuerffel level. Just look at today's game....he almost got Jacobs, Moss, Portis, and Betts killed with some of his throws.

More importantly, however, his lack of arm strength seriously affects the offensive playcalling and this is the main reason why I think that Brunell has to go. Have any of you ever seen a team that throws the ball accross the middle less often than we do?? The reason for that is Brunell's inability to make those throws. He just doesn't have enough zip on the ball to safely make those throws. For example, take that TD that Ramsey threw to Moss during the Giants game. We never would've run that route with Brunell because there is no way that can complete that type of pass. Sure we need help at receiver but even getting another solid receiver isn't going to be enough if we can't use a large portion of the field when we are on offense.

Brunell also seems to be afraid of contact. That has been a constant throughout the season and it results in a lot of open receivers not getting the ball. Brunell looks very jumpy in the pocket and he hardly ever looks to his third option during a passing play. Usually he looks at Moss, ey, and then throws the ball away. If Moss is being doubel or triple covered and ey is also covered that means that there are open receivers elsewhere. I've noticed on many occasions that our running backs are open in pass routes but instead of staying in under pressure and dumping the ball off Brunell just chucks it out of bounds.

I also think that people overrate Brunell's role as a leader on this team. From what I've seen Brunell doesnt appear to be much of a leader on this team. Guys like Jansen, Portis, and Washington have been stepping up as leaders, not Brunell.

The poll asked for other possible qb's that we could bring in. I would love to see John Kitna, for example, as our qb for a year or two. He is a smart qb with very good arm strength and I think that he could flourish in our system with some coaching from Joe.

I want Campell to come in;
kinda like Carson Palmer.

I quoted this post cause I just wanted to say it sucks and it is retarded.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:35 pm

Whoever has the best showing in camp.

That is no way to run a winning football team. How many teams that were in the playoffs this season based their qb selection on who had the best camp??? None that I know of. Out of our qb's Brunell will likely have the best camp but he showed this season that even though he still has some ability left, he can't play at a high level for an entire season. So what good does that do us??

njxbean · Post by **njxbean** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:58 pm

Call me crazy but i would like to see ramsey get a legitimate shot.

Riggmonkman · Post by **Riggmonkman** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:06 pm

I can only imagine what Ramsey would have done with Santana Moss as a deep threat. I believe Ramsey will be the guy next year followed by Campbell in 2007 or 2008 if Patrick does his job well.

I think Brunell will call it quits.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:07 pm

I think that Brunell will get the start but be replaced by the Rookie. Ramsey will be on another team next year. I want him to be our starter but everything seems to be directing him in another direction.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:08 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:
Whoever has the best showing in camp.

That is no way to run a winning football team. How many teams that were in the playoffs this season based their qb selection on who had the best camp??? None that I know of. Out of our qb's Brunell will likely have the best camp but he showed this season that even though he still has some ability left, he can't play at a high level for an entire season. So what good does that do us??

Most winning teams have well established quarterbacks, which is why there aren't often questions about who will start come August. The Redskins aren't in that mould of winning teams--currently.

This past year Gibbs said that Ramsey would be the starter before camp, and then Brunell had a much better camp and preseason than Ramsey. Luckily no contraversy came and the season went well from the QB perspective but funny things happen when people make predictions for something that will happen in 8 months.

I think that Brunell will probably be our QB next year but if Ramsey can get his wits together he would make an excellent QB someday. Also, I have no idea how well Campbell has been brought along and how he has responded to being in the NFL. He could be the next thing, for all we know.

So I still say that whoever has the best showing throughout camp and the preseason should start for us. I don't see what's so problematic about it.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:10 pm

Brunell had a decent year but not spectacular. I am in favor of putting Campbell in at starter next year. We had success in spite of Brunell.

RedskinsFreak · Post by **RedskinsFreak** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:11 pm

In some ways, they're kinda stuck. Gibbs doesn't like what he's seen from P-Ram and hasn't seen anything of Campbell to trust him in a game situation.

That leads to Brunell by default.

Which is too uncomfortable.

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:24 pm

njxbean wrote:Call me crazy but i would like to see ramsey get a legitimate shot.

I won't call you crazy because I've wanted him there all along. I voted for Brunell in this poll, because it asked which I thought would be, not who I thought SHOULD be.

Brunell had a decent season but not great. I was voting for Ramsey to finsh the first half off and throw some deep bombs. Instead, let's throw some short stuff that almost cost us our best WR. GOOD MOVE. :roll:

I hope Ramsey SHINES in camp and Gibbs has enough of an open mind to let him play this time around. I still think he got the shaft in the first place.

But to be positive...Congrats on a great season guuys! Well done!!

redskindave · Post by **redskindave** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:29 pm

Im thinking Brunell will start the season, But its going to be Campbell most of next season

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:17 am

So I still say that whoever has the best showing throughout camp and the preseason should start for us. I don't see what's so problematic about it.

I totally see where you're coming from. The thing that bothers me is that it is crystal clear that Brunell is just too old to last an entire season as a starting qb. I don't understand why Gibbs would start Brunell next year if he knows that he can't play at a high level the entire season.

ii7-V7 · Post by **ii7-V7** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:34 am

If Gibbs thought that Brunell wasn't playing at a good enough level to win he would have put someone else in. Gibbs is the one who sees the other QB's in practice, and the one who has three superbowl rings so I'll trust his opinion.

I agree that Brunell is banged up, and that he isn't very effective that way. But I disagree that he shies away from contact. I mean he obvioulsy doesn't want to take the sack, but he doesn't shy away...as evidence by the game where he lowered his head to get an extra yard and nearly got his head knocked off. Brunell is a smart player even if he is banged up. He isn't (usually) going to make a stupid throw into coverage like Ramsey. And Brunell, even at 35, is less likely to get sacked than Ramsey. Everytime I saw Brunell throw the ball away I would get upset, until I realized that Ramsey would have opted to just throw the ball up for grabs.

Gibbs is going to go with Brunell as long as he feels that he is healthy to play. You can take it to the bank. Not only that but I'd be willing to bet that Ramsey is indeed here next year. Campbell needs one more year before Gibbs puts him in.

Brunell got us our best record since Gibbs first stint! And you guys want to throw him under the bus!

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:38 am

chaddukes wrote:Gibbs is going to go with Brunell as long as he feels that he is healthy to play.

I'm not so secure with that. Brunell was clearly injured the past 3 games, and Gibbs stuck with him. His inability to throw the ball off his plant leg meant that he sailed passes high...which left his receivers open for some really cruel blows.

I think Brunell will start next year, but he's definately moved into the "Veteran backup who can play at a high level for a short period" portion of his career. He's not a season long starting QB anymore, but I'm not sure Gibbs agrees with us.

We'll see

redskingush · Post by **redskingush** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:01 am

Its hard to say. Brunell is done, he is running on his love for the game right now, his skills are diminishing, Ransey got the long ball, but after everything he's indured, Spurrier's fun and gun no protection, the head games hes played with Joe gibbs reigeme. and I don't think campbell is reday yet. This team is on the brink of winning and being domanate. Campbell is going to slow that down. I think all faith must be put in Ramsey, no opening day crap next year like we had this year. Give him 16 games, im mean really we gave Mark 23 and has had some moments but nothing outstanding.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:06 am

I think that I may have been a little too hard on Brunell in my earlier post but i think that Pulp Exposure hits the nail on the head when he says that Brunell is now a high quality backup. What we got from Brunell this year was the best that he can do at this point in his career and it clearly wasn't enough. Yes he did some great things for us this year but that is no reason to just hand him the starting job for next year. We need to get better on offense and I just don't see how that can happen with Brunell at the helm, even if we get ourselves a good #2 receiver.

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:15 am

SkinzCanes wrote:I think that I may have been a little too hard on Brunell in my earlier post but i think that Pulp Exposure hits the nail on the head when he says that Brunell is now a high quality backup. What we got from Brunell this year was the best that he can do at this point in his career and it clearly wasn't enough. Yes he did some great things for us this year but that is no reason to just hand him the starting job for next year. We need to get better on offense and I just don't see how that can happen with Brunell at the helm, even if we get ourselves a good #2 receiver.

Umm, didn't most of think this befoer the year started?

thaiphoon · Post by **thaiphoon** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:45 am

I don't have the stats in front of me but can anyone show Mark's stats after David Patten went out?? Other than the 1rst Gients game I thought Mark was doing great b/c defenses had to be honest and not cheat by doubling Moss and Cool

ey. They had to play straight up and that caused mismatches and enabled Brunell to put up the yards.

I think Brunell's legs were a bit more troubled these past 3 games than anyone wants to let on. But the loss of a legitimate #2 WR was huge IMHO.

I say as long as he's healthy Brunell should be our QB next year. We trade Ramsey for a high pick and play Campbell in 2007

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